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Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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(Original Air Date: 10/19/05) Sexual orientation used to be something kept hidden from family and co-workers, but now more and more people are "coming out" and finding acceptance. Anjela says her mother and sister don't support her sexual orientation, and feel she can't be Christian and gay at the same time. Can they reconcile this touchy issue? Then, two men debate whether a person can go from gay to straight, and parents of a 4-year-old boy fear their son's desire to play with dolls and wear heels means he'll grow up to be gay. Are they overreacting to his wishes to be a princess instead of a prince? Talk about gender and gay issues here.


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October 20, 2005, 10:42 am PDT

A question

I see that there are a lot of people posting here about the bible so I thought one of you might know this.  Is there any condemnation of homosexuals in the new testament?
 

I consider myself a Christian and I am really not interested at all in all of the lifestyle rules in Leviticus. I eat shellfish... my husband cuts his hair...we probably sin according to Leviticus monthly if not weekly.   

 
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October 20, 2005, 10:43 am PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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I was so suprised that Anjela's mother shared the same views as I do. I think she was 100 percent right! 

  

Points she made that I absolutely agreed with: 

  

NO ONE IS BORN GAY--IT IS A CHOICE. 

  

YOU CAN HAVE HOMOSEXUAL FEELINGS BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO ACT ON THEM. 

  

I absolutely agree. I think Anjela was selfish and like her sister, Em said, she wanted to proclaim her sexuality to the world and wanted everyone to be O.K. with that. If you weren't with her, you were against her--no exceptions or gray area. You could tell that she wasn't interested in hearing others out, she just wanted attention. 

  

I've said this before. It does not matter if you were born in "a good Christian home" or an abusive one or anything in between.....your environment had lots to do with who you are now. If you are a gay person, and you think you were born this way, stop trying to justify yourself--it is not true. If you were born into another family in another country perhaps, chances are, you wouldn't be how you are today. It just doesn't depend in what church you grew up in, if any, it depends on so much more-----your exposure to gay people growing up (were you around gay people a lot? did your family have many gay family friends? was a family member gay? or were you completely isolated from gays and forbidden to go near them?), how your parents brought you up to look at gays (did they tell you it was not acceptable? did they tell you it was O.K. because "God made them that way"? did they tell you it was a sin? did they tell you to stay away from them?), or course, your family status (abusive home? divorced parents? only child?).  

  

All these thing put together contribute to who were are. 

  

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE---if you have something you'd like to say, if you'd like to debate, if you have objections, PLEASE, reply to this message. I'm not on the computer every day, so if you reply I might not see it until a couple days later. 

  

thanks! 

your exposure to gay people growing up (were you around gay people a lot? did your family have many gay family friends? was a family member gay? or were you completely isolated from gays and forbidden to go near them?), how your parents brought you up to look at gays (did they tell you it was not acceptable? did they tell you it was O.K. because "God made them that way"? did they tell you it was a sin? did they tell you to stay away from them?), or course, your family status (abusive home? divorced parents? only child?).  

   

All these thing put together contribute to who were are.  

 

Never met a gay person until i was fifteen, and I knew I was gay before then.  The family had no gay friends, no gay family members.   WHen a friend came out to me in high school and i relaized i experienced those same feelings and could finally put a name on them, i was forbidden to be around her, to the point where I nearly was sent to another school just to ensure I would obey this command.  I was told it was not acceptable and I was not "born that way" it was just a phase, that I had to change.   

My parents had a good relationship and remained married to this day.  I was never abuses, raped, molested, etc.   

  

So put that together and that should equal a straight person? 

  

These are all assumptions made about the gay community.  They are not true.  Making such assumptions about people is called judging, and that is not condoned by the Bible. 

  

  

 
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October 20, 2005, 10:44 am PDT

Did they choose to be gay

So many people have posted that no one would CHOOSE to be gay. That no one would choose a lifestyle that would destroy their relationship with their family. I have to say that I totally disagree. People choose everyday to continue to be alcoholics. My father CHOOSE to drink and that led to his alcoholism. That led to his divorce from my mom. He stopped drinking for a while and then CHOOSE to start again. This time it killed him. I was 19. My father made a conscious decision to choose drinking over his family. Not only did he know how it made me feel, he was told by doctors that he would die if he didn't stop. So I ask you, why would someone CHOOSE a lifestyle that can ultimately cause them and their family so much pain. I can't answer this question but I can assure you that he could have stopped (he had done it once for 11 years) but lacked the motivation to stick with it. I do agree that getting over it would involve therapy and rehab but every time he went he would never stick it out. He CHOOSE to leave and he CHOOSE drink again. Does this mean that I love my father any less. NO. I love him dearly and will for the rest of my life. I can't explain his choices nor will I try to explain why someone chooses to be gay.  

I also don't agree that any of this as to do with genetics. If this were true that would mean that I would have the genetics of an alcoholic. I am not an alcoholic nor do I even drink. I did as a teen but then I grew up and and CHOOSE not too. That means that we have a choice in the life style we choose. God gave me the free will to choose what I think is best for me. I choose to follow his word. I pray for those who did not. 

 
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October 20, 2005, 10:55 am PDT

Correctly handling the word of God

Quote From: tulseyjoe

I see that you mix up human traits that are learned and/or acquired with sexual orientation, which can neither be learned nor aquired. One has absolutely no control over one's sexual orientation.  

  

You cannot give up to God your being a heterosexual, a bisexual, or a homosexual, especially when your sexual orientation is apparently a part of God's design for you, just like hair color, eye color and which hand you prefer to use are His design for you, too. If you have green eyes and everyone else around you have brown and/or blue eyes, and you give those green eyes up to God, will God make your eyes either brown or blue? Of course NOT!!!!!!   

  

David, the ex-prostitute turned priest, attempted to use his fromer professional promiscuity of selling sexual services and his former drug and alcohol addiction as part of the reason  that he was no longer a homosexual. If you read his testimony on Exodus International's website, all of you who know how to use your brain power to think will see that he was NEVER homosexual in the first place.  

  

Exodus International people like to use David's kind of testimony because it supports all of their stereotypical garbage of what makes a person a homosexual. 

  

One doe NOT have a tendency (aka propensity) to be homosexual, like one who is the child or grandchild in a family where there is a history of alcohol abuse and that child (minor age or adult) has a propensity/tendency to be an alcoholic, too, if he (or she) starts drinking alcohol.  

  

If the child born into a family with a history of alcoholism, but, no one even drinks alcoholic beverages around him and he does not even know what it is, he will not have a desire to open a bottle of beer if he sees one or have a desire to taste what is in an open container of alcholic beverage or it being in a glass, etc. If those who have a tendency to be an alcoholic never know what alcoholic beverages are, they will never crave an alcoholic beverage. 

  

One whose sexual orientation is exclusively homosexual can experience those down-below-the-belt, behind the pubic-bone, in-the-area-of-prostate (for males or the uterus for females) physiological sexual attraction sensations toward a member of the same sex, even when the person is not even thinking about sex or knows what sex is, for that matter. 

I see human traits as inherent because I recall being attracted to girls from day one.  I recall never being accustomed to monogamy.  My wife is not someone that I am completely physically attracted to but I made a commitment to her and because of God I honor that commitment.   

  

The point is you handle what God has givien you the best you can.  If you are trying to please God then awesome.  If not then do the best you can to please him.  I'm not necessarily saying you are wrong but that God will answer that when the time comes.  That answer is between the two of you and no one else. 

 

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October 20, 2005, 10:56 am PDT

I agree

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I am not saying that I am for or against homosexulaity, the point I would like to make is this.  Since when is it anybody's business or should the public know about what goes on in the bedroom.  I am married and have a child, I do not advertise nor do I make it public about my relations with my wife, it is nobody's business.  These days homosexuality is treated as though it is a religion or a nationality it is not.  The fact of the matter only a small percentage of people are homosexual however they seem to be a vocal group.  It is your business not mine..  counterpoints welcome

Don't bother "coming out" to me, I'm just not interested.  When I watched the daughter talking to her sister and mother, I thought she was confronting them for reasons other than her sexual orientation or their acceptance of it.  There is some family history there that we didn't hear.  She seemed to be throwing her sex life in their face unnecessarily.  

  

I'm hetro but I still would never discuss my sexual relationship with anyone but the person I have sex with.  I'm sure my parents would rather stick needles in their eyes than hear about it and I feel the exact same about their sex life.  If someone in my family is homosexual, I would notice simply by virtue of the partners the person selected.  I wouldn't feel any need to talk about it at all and I would prefer not to.  

 
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October 20, 2005, 10:58 am PDT

It is disgusting to compare the two

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My niece has a strong sexual attraction for other women.  This is after 3 marriages (to men) and four children; she now lives with a woman. She says she did not choose to be this way, but she does love to advertise her sexuality, (an ‘in your face’ attitude) something she did not do when she was straight.

  

 

  

  

 

  

 

  

  

My neighbor has a strong sexual attraction for little boys.  He was married and has two children; he now lives in prison. I am sure he did not choose to be this way. Unfortunately, he did not advertise it.  

  

 

  

  

 

  

 

  

  

My nephew would rather have drugs and alcohol then a relationship of any kind with anyone.  He now lives in a stupor, in and out of jail, and on the streets. It is a very strong attraction. He (I guess jokingly) says, “God made me this way”, in an effort to deny responsible for his own actions.

  

 

  

  

 

  

 

  

  

 

  

 

  

  

All three of these people have intense attractions; they say they cannot resist acting on them. How can we approve of one and put the other two in jail? Another neighbor in another state beat his wife on a regular basis. He always said he was sorry and that ‘he couldn’t help it’. 

  

 

  

  

 

  

 

  

  

We all have things that tempt us, but if everyone gave in to every temptation, acted on every impulse and just did what ever we felt, ….well I would not want to live here.

  

 

  

  

 

  

 

  

  

 

  

 

  

  

How can any thinking person say it is OK to be a homosexual and act on it, but being a pedophile and acting on it, is not OK? Look it up in the dictionary, both are sexual ordinations: A predisposition in favor of something. I realize a three-year-old child cannot give consent, but if the person was born with that sexual predisposition in favor of small children, should we condemn him for acting on it?

  

 

  

  

 

  

 

  

  

The Word says, to take up your cross daily and follow Me.  We all have our crosses to bear, and no one can say theirs is more difficult then other peoples; therefore, we should excuse them for giving in.

  

 

  

  

 

  

 

  

  

Someone please tell me, if being born with some predilections makes it OK to act on them, then why not all of them?

  

 

  

  

It is so gross to compare affection and love between two consenting adults with a person who molests a helpless, scared child.  Do you think that two gay and mutually consenting people can't love eachother?   

  

Some people think that gay people are just perverts that want nothing but sex with many partners.  That's not true, I know people who are gay and are monogomous and in love. I'm one of them and I've never cheated on my partner who I love very much.  I'm not promiscuous and never have been.  

  

What's wrong with loving another persons soul regardless of what's between their legs.  The soul lives forever, the body only a matter of decades and I know I'm not going to have a penis after my body dies. My soul will always love my partners soul.  

 

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October 20, 2005, 11:01 am PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: rlanthier

I am interested in which scientific studies to which you are referring that you know with such conviction that being gay is not an orientation from birth.

I did not mention any type of scientific studies in my comment, and I suggest you take a second look. What I said was simply my opinion, like most of us. 

  

I'd like to know which ones apparentely make you so sure that gay is a orientatation from birth. 

 
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October 20, 2005, 11:02 am PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: jandrus

Forget religion. Forget societal pressures. Forget stereotypes. Now look at someone else. Look at a gay, straight, bisexual, white, black, yellow, fat, skinny, diseased, healthy, rich, poor, single, or partnered person. Do they still feel? Do they still love? Do they still share over 99% of their genetic material with us? Yes. We're all people. Respect yourself and everyone around you, or you can be darn sure others won't respect you. 

  

On a side note: I'm cool with religion. I don't mind other people having a different belief system than mine. What I can't stand for is people spouting off their ideals and demanding that everyone ascribe to the same beliefs as them. Please be considerate of the diversity of people who come here. Not everyone believes in your deity, and some do not believe in deities at all. There are other ways of stating your beliefs, comments, ideas, and criticisms than by insulting and mocking. 

I agree with your  statements whole heartedly since only 1/6 of the world population is Christian and a very large portion of all the discussions are about the English translations of a extensively revised Latin text of a Greek document based based Hebrew scrolls that saw is own spate of editors. 

  

somehow I think that an eleventh commandment should be added: 

  

Thou shalt not shove thy religion down others peoples throat. 

  

All of the world religions are equally valid and sexual orientation has nothing to do with ones form of faith. 

 

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October 20, 2005, 11:03 am PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: rlanthier

The notion that gays are primarily molestors is not supported by any statistical evidence. Yes there are molestors in both orientations, but the majority are heterosexual. 

I didn't say that molestors were primarily molestors, I only responded to your comment about all molestors being heterosexual according to Oprah and Dr. Phil.
 

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October 20, 2005, 11:07 am PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: oet_gaol

So you're saying hey if you happen to be gay though luck then you schould stay single for the rest of your life? Great life that'll be. 

  

Again being Gay is NOT a choice like you DID NOT choose to be straight. 

  

You DO NOT go and analize concieslylike this  

scanning all potential mates: 

Potential mates right sex; 47:          (not impling gay or straight here) 

Available; 25: 

  

Analises of feromones; 

..................................... 

potential mates; 13: 

  

Analasis of look: 

age: 

................................. 

number left; 7: 

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sportivity; number left; 4: 

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Smile; number left; 2: 

  

Analasis of personality: 

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Potential mates left; 1: 

  

<--end of program--> 

  

You just do not think like that of a concius level. 

You just fall in love for better or for worse, how harde is the concept of love to understand! Gay love works exactly the same way as straight love THAT IS WHAT MAKES US HUMAN!!! 

  

  

What do you mean, I "did not choose to be straight"? 

  

Being "straight" is the NORMAL way to be born! It's the way everyone is born. YOU choose to be different and go away from that normality. 

  

As far as "love" being a hard concept to understand, I disagree. I'm married with children. I know what love is. The love I cannot understand is the one that happens when woman loves woman and man loves man sexually. Try as hard to accept that as I have, I don't understand that. 

 
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