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Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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Created on : Friday, October 14, 2005, 03:56:41 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/19/05) Sexual orientation used to be something kept hidden from family and co-workers, but now more and more people are "coming out" and finding acceptance. Anjela says her mother and sister don't support her sexual orientation, and feel she can't be Christian and gay at the same time. Can they reconcile this touchy issue? Then, two men debate whether a person can go from gay to straight, and parents of a 4-year-old boy fear their son's desire to play with dolls and wear heels means he'll grow up to be gay. Are they overreacting to his wishes to be a princess instead of a prince? Talk about gender and gay issues here.


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October 20, 2005, 11:42 am PDT

Choices?

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I personallly don't care who is gay or straight.  Your sexual orientaion should make up so little of your personality that it shouldn't even matter.  There are other things that are alot more important in a person.  I feel like Anjela wants everyone to be accepting of her and her choices, but she doesn't want to do the same for others who don't share her viewpoint or lifestyle choices.  She calls her sister a "breeder" just because she chose a more traditional lifestyle.  As a married woman, I took offense to her comment that anyone who wears a wedding ring is flaunting their sexuality.  I wear my weddings, not because I want everyone to know I'm hetero or even married.  I don't care about what everyone knows or everyone thinks.  I wear it, for myself and my husband, as a symbol of our love and commitment.  Besides, alot of gay couples wear commitment rings now.  What's the difference?  That might give a false impression of heterosexulaity if you only saw one of them wearing a ring.  You probably wouldn't assume the person to be in a same sex couple.  I think Anjela is kind of hypocritical and maybe should take a look at herself before she starts judging other people.

Anjela's sexuality (desire) is not a choice.  Her reaction toward her sister is probably a result of all the homophobia, and more importantly, the Heterosexism of our society.  The point is, those who are in heterosexual relationships can flaunt it, and indeed almost unconsciously do so all the time.  The all pervasive forces of Heterosexism require constant "proof" of heterosexuality in our society, especially in males.  Witness the epidemic of  young men going around fathering one child after another with different women.  Think it's because they're SO attracted to women?  I think not.   

  

Look at a typical work place or office.  Everyone talks openly of their opposite sex relationships/marriages.  If anyone dared to mention a same sex marriage/relationship, they're scolded for "flaunting their lifestyle."  Yet, if  an office worker who is homosexual or in a same sex relationship chooses to keep private about it, and many do, the colleagues in the office try to PRY their private lives out of them.  And if they refuse to talk of a personal life, they're regarded as unfriendly, weird, or worse yet, they're assumed to be homosexual, whether they're in a relationship or not. 

  

This is the kind of harassment that homosexual people have to put up with all the time in a Heterosexist society.  It's no wonder Anjela is a bit hostile toward her sister and other heterosexuals who can take the flaunting of their lifestyle for granted. 

  

BTW, assuming that a person wearing a wedding/commitment ring is heterosexual, is one of the aspects of our culture of Heterosexism, as is assuming that one's new born baby will grow up and marry heterosexually. 

 
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October 20, 2005, 11:53 am PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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What do you mean, I "did not choose to be straight"? 

  

Being "straight" is the NORMAL way to be born! It's the way everyone is born. YOU choose to be different and go away from that normality. 

  

As far as "love" being a hard concept to understand, I disagree. I'm married with children. I know what love is. The love I cannot understand is the one that happens when woman loves woman and man loves man sexually. Try as hard to accept that as I have, I don't understand that. 

Straight people don't realize that gay people are born gay. They assume that because we are different that we must have chosen to be different for some completely irrational reason. HOMOSEUALITY IS NOT A CHOICE. I WAS BORN GAY AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH ME! final
 
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October 20, 2005, 12:04 pm PDT

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I watched the show and it appears that your daughter is seeking your acceptance more then the one whom she should really be seeking- GODS-I think you are a great example of loving the person but still rejecting the sin-she wants to hear that it is alright to live in sin, or should i say live in iniquity-but you continue to be the voice and exaple of GOD in her life- keep strong! stay in the truth and dont get watered down by others opionion, stay with the word of Jesus- I prayed for your family- and I know concering sin is hard- but we can do it- The bible says walk in the spirit and you wont comminit the lust of the flesh. it seems she was trying to not walk in the flesh so then she could walk in the spirit. I know if she reached for jesus and dicplined her flesh and practiced walking in the spirit she will overcome this spirit. 

Like a cat, desire is, if you feed it it getts bigger, and keeps coming back to get feed, the desire gets stronger and stronger. She must step by step put the word of god in herself, focus on the word speak the word of victory by faith over her life, pray and fast, and repent, and she will be made whole! 

It seems she is believeing a lie, that the desire for this sin is her, but that is not the way God created her-she needs to see herself in jesus away from the sin. god bless 

 
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October 20, 2005, 12:05 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: dbrrtt1

your exposure to gay people growing up (were you around gay people a lot? did your family have many gay family friends? was a family member gay? or were you completely isolated from gays and forbidden to go near them?), how your parents brought you up to look at gays (did they tell you it was not acceptable? did they tell you it was O.K. because "God made them that way"? did they tell you it was a sin? did they tell you to stay away from them?), or course, your family status (abusive home? divorced parents? only child?).  

   

All these thing put together contribute to who were are.  

 

Never met a gay person until i was fifteen, and I knew I was gay before then.  The family had no gay friends, no gay family members.   WHen a friend came out to me in high school and i relaized i experienced those same feelings and could finally put a name on them, i was forbidden to be around her, to the point where I nearly was sent to another school just to ensure I would obey this command.  I was told it was not acceptable and I was not "born that way" it was just a phase, that I had to change.   

My parents had a good relationship and remained married to this day.  I was never abuses, raped, molested, etc.   

  

So put that together and that should equal a straight person? 

  

These are all assumptions made about the gay community.  They are not true.  Making such assumptions about people is called judging, and that is not condoned by the Bible. 

  

  

I think hetero people are rediculous to say that because as gay people who want to be able to be gay in public that we are flaunting it in their faces. Do you have any idea how many blatant displays of heterosexual affection I have to endure within my family or on tv or in the street everyday. Yes gay peopl exist, and no they should have to restrain themselves  from having relationships (or sex) and yes you should have to see it, bigot 

 
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October 20, 2005, 12:05 pm PDT

many times

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God says many times in the Bible that it is absolutly NOT okay to lie with the same sex. If you were really one with God,you'd know that.

you said: many times in the Bible  

Really? I can barely count more than three. All the quotes but one are from the Old Testament. 

  

 
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October 20, 2005, 12:05 pm PDT

JUST SPEAKING....

 FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN THIS WITH SAYING THAT I AM A LESBIAN, BUT I CAME OUT LAST YEAR TO MY MOTHER AND SISTER ONLY. NOW AS FOR MY BACKGROUND SO AS TO GET THIS OUT OF THE WAY, MY FATHER WAS AN ABUSIVE ALCOHOLIC THAT DIED IN A CAR ACCIDENT WHILE I WAS IN BASIC TRAINING AT 18. MY MOTHER IS THE SUZY HOMEMAKER TYPE, TOOK THE ABUSE MY FATHER DISHED OUT AND WAS AFRAID TO LEAVE HIM FOR FEAR THAT SHE WOULD NOT MAKE IT ON HER OWN.  NEVERTHERLESS I LOVED MY FATHER, AND I LOVE MY MOTHER WITH EVERYTHING I HAVE IN ME.  AM I ANGRY WITH MY FATHER?...AT TIMES YES. I AM FROM A SMALL TOWN IN THE SOUTH...NO ONE IN MY FAMILY HAS COME OUT AS BEING GAY. MOST OF THE TIME ALL I HEAR IS ANTI-GAY SPEAK, WHILE MOST OF MY FAMILY DOESN'T KNOW THAT I HAD AND STILL AM STRUGGLING WITH MY SEXUALITY. MY FIRST CRUSH WAS ON A FEMALE TEACHER WHO HAD NO IDEA. I HAVE DATED GUYS IN THE PAST BUT NEVER ABLE TO HAVE A LASTING RELATIONSHIP...I WOULD ALWAYS MAKE UP SOME EXCUSE AS TO WHY IT WOULDN'T WORK. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I HAD NO UNDERSTANDING OR KNOWLEDGE THAT GAY PEOPLE REALLY EXISTED UNTIL I LEFT HOME AND WENT INTO THE MILITARY...I KEPT MY OWN FEELINGS TO MYSELF. BUT AS FOR THE DEBATE ON CHOICE...I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF WHEN I SAY THAT THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING I CHOSE, OR BECAME, BUT AM.  WHEN I SAID THAT I AM STRUGGLING WITH MY SEXUALITY...IT WAS A MISTAKE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT I AM A LESBIAN. WHAT I AM STRUGGLING WITH NOW IS MY PLACE IN SOCIETY. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO HOLD HANDS WITH THE PERSON I LOVE AND NOT WORRY ABOUT SLURS JUST LIKE ANY HETEROSEXUAL WOULD....ONLY DIFFERENCE IS IF I HELD HANDS WITH MY LOVER IN PUBLIC IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED"THROWING IT IN YOUR FACE." WHILE I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT PDAS OR SLOBBING EACH OTHER DOWN IN PUBLIC...I'M TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS GOING TO GET A MEAL WITH OUT...."LOOK AT THOSE DYKES OVER THERE." BUT THIS IS NOT REALLY THE ISSUE EITHER,  WHETHER OR NOT YOU ACCEPT THE GAY LIFESTYLE IS NEITHER HERE NOR THERE. BUT IF EVERYBODY WOULD JUST MIND THERE OWN BUSINESS AND BE ALLOWED TO LIVE THEIR OWN LIFE WITHOUT CASTING STONES THEN WE REALLY WOULD LIVE IN A PERFECT WORLD. BUT WE DON'T. THE PEOPLE WHO SPEAK WITH THESE RELIGIOUS TONGUES ARE THE SAME ONES WHO CHEAT ON THEIR WIVES AND BEAT THERE KIDS IN THE PRIVACY OF THEIR CLOSED DOORS. HOW DO I KNOW, BECAUSE IVE BEEN HIT ON BY A FEW PREACHERS AND DEACONS MYSELF. AND I'M SURE THE GOSSIP ON THE CHURCH STEPS ISN'T ABOUT WHAT SISTER STEPHENS PUT IN HER POTLUCK. NOW BY NO MEANS DO I CLAIM TO BE A BIBLE THUMPING CHRISTIAN, BUT I DO HAVE A BELIEF IN A HIGHER POWER...IT WOULD BE INCONCIEVABLE TO THINK WE BROUGHT OURSELVES INTO THIS WORLD(ALTHOUGH IT'S APPARENT THAT SOME BELIVE JUST THAT). BUT MOST PEOPLE SPEAK HYPOCRITICALLY ABOUT THE LIVES OF OTHERS AND THE WAY THEIR LIFE SHOULD BE LED WHEN THEIR OWN HOUSE ISN'T IN ORDER.   

 
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October 20, 2005, 12:07 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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I totaly agree with you !  

  

I think that "singling people out of God's love" is like being racist.  

god didnt make us with sin, the desire is perverted and is from the devil, the pressure she is feeling is real, but there is a way out, its hard, but there is a way- the more she feeds the desire for sin, the more it comes back and the stronger it gets- she must step down the same wa y to get control back. 

and god love sus enough not to leave us the way we are when we come to him- 

 
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October 20, 2005, 12:08 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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Educate yourself before speaking! The fastest growing group of newly diagnosed AIDS patients is young, heterosexual women. You can not blame this on gays.

Educate YOURSELF before speaking!  How do you think all these heterosexual women are contracting the AIDS virus?  Through being gay themselves or getting it from their spouse who has passed it on to them.  Where have you been? 

 
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October 20, 2005, 12:09 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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you said:Jesus didn't mention sex but he certainly mentioned marraige in the joining of one woman and one man to become one flesh.
Your point being? 

  

Leviticus has been addressed many times. Good then we can dispense with it. 


Judging has been addressed.  Good , then don't condemn gays. 

  

You have not addressed the passage correctly. Paul says that he judges his BROTHER is inexcusable. He is saying it specifically in the context of temple activities in which men lie with other men. These were heterosexual men and their lying with other men was unnatural for them. 

  

Condemning people is a different matter than judging behavior. But we are exhorted to judge our OWN behaviour, not that of others. 

  

It still isn't clear that homosexuality per se is grievously wrong, and that persecuting gays is justified. Romans is certainly not the hard evidence. 

  

  

  

  



 

Yeah but, I don't believe in the bible so any bilical argumant is moot to me! 

 
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October 20, 2005, 12:10 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: madaboutu

Becoming a Christian isn't about being good enough or doing something in order to earn our way.  Salvation is a gift from God ... not man ... so that no one may boast.  Jesus said that He is the only way to salvation .. the only way to God ... there is only one way and that is through him.  And He is at the right hand of God interceding for us.  So we pray for the faith to believe in Him and His promises.  We admit that we are lost without Him.  We accept the grace and mercy that He gives and fills us with.  The Holy Spirit then resides within us ... guiding us, counseling us, comforting us.  There is no condemnation in Christ Jesus.  But one has to accept that He is the only way.   

Once we are His ... we have to allow Him to so fill our lives that others see Christ in us.  We have to war against the sinful nature that is within us.  That doesn't just disappear because we've accepted Him.  He brings transformation ... but we have to be willing to be transformed.  We have to seek Him and find Him why He may be found.  We have to submit to His will and trust Him with our future.  Jesus did not condemn the woman at the well who was described as having had several husbands and the man she was living with at that point was not her husband.  But what he did say was, 'Go and sin no more.'  Huge.  Huge.  We could not possibly do that on our own.  We are human, fallible creations who will fall and stumble and slip.  But we do not have to embrace sin so that his grace can be shown.  The apostle Paul states this in one of his letters to the church ... 'Should I sin so that grace may abound?  No!'  And so daily we are faced with all sorts of circumstances and relationships that require us to make choices - choices between sinning and not sinning.   

I encourage you to turn to the Word of God and let it fill you up.  Find a reliable translation.  The NIV is one that is tested and proved reliable.  There are many others out there though that are probably an easier read for devotional.  I use a living translation and some use the Message.  I encourage you to find a bible teaching church ... one that relies on the Bible as the authoritative word and that preaches that Word from the pulpit.  The salvation message should be front and center.  And if those parts are there in that church then the congregation will be loving people who will  embrace you for who you are in Christ now.  But that congregation should also have accountability.  We as the body of Christ are accountable to one another.  We are instructed to love one another, pray for one another, and hold one another accountable ... even to the point of pointing out to a brother/sister when they are falling.  Participation in the body means be willing to love someone enough to give and accept this kind of accountability.  Trust in the Lord with all your heart.  Lean not on your own understanding.  In all your ways acknowledge Him and He will make your paths straight.  The word of God is foolishness to those who do not believe in Him.  And it is wisdom to those who have been saved.  Read Psalm 139 daily so that you will know how much he cares for you.  He knew you before you were ever born.  He holds you in the palm of His hand. 

I will be praying for you as you are beginning your walk with Him. 

  

Yeah but, I don't believe in the bible so any biblical argument is moot to me! 

 
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