Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Actually there are two different versions of creation in the Bible.  

In Genesis chapter 1, male and female human beings, plural of each gender, were made at the very same time. And, there is says that God said "be fruitful and multiply." Humans are made after the land animals are created. In that chapter, God (plural) states, "Let us make humans in our images (literally)."  

But, in Genesis chapter 2, a human being (the proper translation of "adam" in context) is created and then God creates plants and also creates the garden/park known as "Eden." Then, God (the Hebrew word is actually plural, not singular) puts the human, aka the adam (the Hebrew word for "the" is used there), in the garden. 

When they (God) realized that the human is lonely, they said literally, "It is not good for the human to be alone; let US (plural) make a helper suitable for him."  

The KJV has "help meet" (note TWO words) for "helper suitable." "Helper" in the Hebrew text is "ezer" which is masculine (that's male in sex/gender). Some people think that "meet" means "mate" when "ezer" is another word for "mate." A helper who is a woman would be an "ezerah," which is the female form of "ezer." "Neged" is the word translated as "meet" or "suitable." A "neged" can be an identical copy of an original. Or it can be a copy of something with everything reversed as far as viewing is concerned.  

So the first adam had an identical copy of himself made (by God) which would have been a mirror image of himself if he were to look into a mirror.  

If you properly read the text, it was not God who said that the 2nd human being was an "eshah" (meaning taken from an "eesh") or was a "woman" because the 2nd person was taken from a "man," it was the 1st human who said that.  

Not even one time in Genesis chapter 2 does God tell those two humans they created to "be fruitful and multiply." Nothing is related to sexual reproduction until Genesis chapter 2 after the two humans eat of the fruit of the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil." That was the only thing the humans were told not to do. 

In chapter 3, when God (plural) asks, "Adam, where are you?" The verb in that question is plural and "adam," being a colletive noun, has the same spelling in Hebrew in both the singular and plural. "Adam" is like our words, "sheep" or "deer," which are spelled the same in singular or plural usage.  

Also, God NEVER calls/names the 2nd person "Eve." It is the first human who gives "her" that name. In Genesis 5, it is stated that God called both male and female human beings "adam."  

Anjela, 

      I think that you are just trying to cry predjudice because people won't except your life style but I sure don't see you accepting anybody elses life style!  All homosexuals have an agenda.  They are all out there crying "poor poor me!" and want everyone to feel sorry for THEIR CHOICE in life!  And yes, it is a CHOICE.  Read your Bible and what God has to say about it and it is VERY clear!  Your sister is wrong that if you accepted Jesus that you can live any way you feel like living and you will just go to heaven.  You obviously never truly wanted to surrender your ENTIRE life to Christ because if you did you could have changed a long time ago and be heterosexual today in your actions.  You have always been heterosexual inside.  God did not make you that way.  Does He love you, Of course!  He loves me too even while I was a sinner and not saved.  I chose to trust in Christ and fully surrender my entire life to him and HE changed me once I repented of my sin and asked Him to save me and change my life.  You can turn over a new leaf  by yourself over and over but ultimately you will fail every time because you can't do it on your own.  So until you are willing to admit to God that homosexuality is a sin and nothing less just like alcoholism and stealing are sins, you will never be saved and you will never be free from this sin in your life.  Don't get me wrong, your homosexuality is no worse of a sin than any other sin that anyone has ever committed.  I would be happy to give you the numerous scriptures that I know are blatently against homosexuality.  God is a God of love but He is also a just God!  I think your father dying might have had something to do with your choices.  Maybe not.  There is usually some trauma that happened in the homosexuals life.  I do not hate homosexuals, just the sin.  I love every person that God has ever created.  But God gives us all a choice whether to choose Him and His way or to go our own way.  The Bible even says that after a certain time that He will give homosexuals over to a debased mind.  Meaning He will leave you to be in the life style you choose and He will not bother you further.  Yes, you will die in your sin and spend the rest of eternity in Hell burning for eternity.  Jesus doesn't want you there so please choose Him before it is too late!  He loves you and is waiting patiently.  

you said: many times in the Bible  

Really? I can barely count more than three. All the quotes but one are from the Old Testament. 

Homosexual folks are pretty consistent in populations world-wide. No matter what country you look at, which belief system people belong to, population size, and whatever other factors you can think of... it's always around 10% of the population that is homosexual. It is normal. Whether you like it or not, it's a natural thing to happen. It's not only a strictly human phenomenon either. Did you know that at certain temperatures you can make groups of male flies form long mating chains? Did you know that there are species of fish and other organisms that can alter their sex to accomodate their community? Ever seen a hermaphroditic banana slug mate with another of its kind, then watch them each chew off the other's penile projection so the other can't mate again? Nature is full of fun quirks, and homosexuality is one of them. 

So what if we don't know what causes it. We'll figure it out someday. Most scientists are split between whether it's caused by environmental pressures or genetic changes. Nature vs. nurture. Homosexuality is a fact of life, and for anyone to deny that is just completely silly.  

Even more silly is for someone to think that their beliefs should come before personal freedom, equality, and respect for our fellows. Marriage should be something that anyone can participate in. It's a union between two people who love each other. I know that's beside the point, but it is very important.  

And in those two places, it is in the very same context of in the Book of Leviticus, chapters 18, 19, and 20. If you don't read all three of those same chapters together, you are missing the actual context of them.  

I see that people are posting messages here without even reading what other members of Dr. Phil's internet community are writing.  

Real homosexual men don't lie with another male pretending that the male is a woman. In the context of Leviticus' chapters, a heterosexual man goes to a pagan temple to make a sexual sacrifice to the Canaanite fertility goddess, Asherah (also known as Astarte or Asteroth).  

The purpose of the sacrifice of semen (called "seed" in the KJV) to the goddess is to "plant a 'seed' in the male holy person doing a stand-in for Asherah and that "holy" person dressed up like a woman, too. The holy person knows that he is not the goddess; but, in the spiritual/psychological mind of the heterosexual man who is a Canaanite to begin with in that context, HE IS HAVING SEX WITH A WOMAN  . . .  NOT WITH ANOTHER MAN!  

In those 3 chapters, the Israelites are being told not to follow certain religious practices related to the CANAANITE culture. In modern times, we refer to the CANAANITES as PHOENICIANS, but, they were actually the very same people!  

Oh, the residents of Sodom were not Canaanites; because Sodom was NOT in Canaan at all and any well-read student of the Bible would know that when Abram (later called Abraham) and his nephew, Lot, decided that the country of Canaan was not big enough for both of them and all of their sheep and cattle, etc., Lot moved to the east across the Jordan River out of the country of Canaan into the "Plain of Jordan" (just called Jordan in modern times). 

In Romans 1, where it mentions men having sex with each other, the sexual activity actually takes place in a pagan place of worship where fertility gods are honored. Roman holy men in service to pagan gods also dressed up like females as in the Canaan. And, in the Roman pagan places of worship of fertility deities, where male gods were also revered, women strapped on male sexual devices and pretended to represent the god. It was not considered a natural sex act for a woman to pretend to be a man and have anal sexual intercourse with a heterosexual man.  

"godin44" posted: All translations of the Holy Bible state that homosexuality is a sin. The KJV, NIV and NAS translations are word for word translations. This means they were translated from the original Hebrew and Greek texts. You are looking for an "out" for your sin., which is human nature. No one is sinless, except Jesus. But we are told to confess our sins and give them to God. When your sin becomes a lifestyle, your are not living in the way God has asked us to: Galations chapter 5 says... 

No, you are quite wrong about word for word English translations of the Bible! If you have copies of the original texts (the very same ones those translators used), and you can read Hebrew and Greek, you will see that none of them are literal "word-for-word" translations. In fact, word-for-word translations are and would be very confusing. When the KJV translated "kodesh" as "sodomite," when the word "kodesh" literally meant "holy," it was not a word-for-word translation; it was a mis-interpretation. "Kodesh" as a verb means to "be or make holy." As a noun, it means a "holy" person, place, or thing. In every place the KJV coined word "sodomite" appears, the context has absolutely no connection with Sodom nor the residents of Sodom; in each instance the religion is always that of the people who lived in the Country of Canaan which was to the west of the Jordan River. Sodom was not in Canaan, it was one of the cities in the Jordan Plain, to the east of the River. We call the Jordan Plain country just Jordan in modern times. 

Oh, a person's sin can be come a lifestyle; but, homosexuality, aka homosexual orientation, is NOT a lifestyle. One can choose a lifestyle; but, one cannot choose one's sexual orienation.  

Attempting to confess one's sexual orientation as sin is equal to me attempting to confess that I have green eyes because neither my parents nor my siblings have/had green eyes. One is born with one's sexual orientation already determined by God just as one's eye color is determined before birth, too. 

Or more dramatically, attempting to confess, as sin, one's sexual orientation is like confessing one's sin of being left-handed instead of right-handed. Our word "sinister" comes from the Latin word for "left" and people who were left-handed used to be told that they were that way because either the devil made them left handed or they were in rebellion against God because they were using their left hands instead of their right hands.  

The hiding behind religion is that when you give you're opinion on gay-related issues you say "The bible says" you don't say I think and if you do you say right after that "but the bible says" so you take away the power of your words so you don't have to say what you think instead of what the bible thinks that is why it's hiding behind religion. 

Yes maby the sories went beyond the babylonian and egyptian era even more reason to doubt how true they are because the first writing isn't much older then those eras. 

About the stories of jesus is just not how I heard it I'm sorry 

I didn't say you where following the koran I gave it as an example on how the same thing came be interpreted in sow many ways so can you inteprete the bible in different ways why else would there be so many different churches? 

But man wrote down the scriptures is it not possible that god might have made it understandable for man in that period and that we can interprete it for this period? Because if god is a greater being he should've cut down to our level of understanding and that ment that in that era man might not have been ready for a gay community. 

And that bible was kept by the vatican for many centuries