Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: mommyjenna

 I've stated before, if there was no God I wouldn't care less about this subject.  Fact is, I do believe there is a God and I also believe that he does not condone this lifestyle, in fact He despises it. 

I base my truth upon the Bible.  Most Christians do.   It's the only absolute truth I know of. I'm not 'hiding' behind' anything. 

I don't know why you doubt the books of the Bible by the statement you've made. 

The Koran is not the same thing at all as the Bible.  They are two completely separate peices of literature.   Both Christians and Muslims would agree.

The Bible is written to our understanding. It's pretty clear.

While the vatican may have made it illegal at one point in history to own a Bible in Italy, this was during a time long after it had already been written and widely dispersed.   As soon as the books were written they were recopied and distributed all over.  The early Christians were very eager to go forth and preach the gospel.

There have been many attempts to destroy the Bible or to make it illegal but it's still the all time best seller.  

Quote From: mtnlady1

"until you are willing to admit to God that homosexuality is a sin and nothing less just like alcoholism and stealing are sins, you will never be saved and you will never be free from this sin in your life." 

  

I don't agree at all. Never be saved? So are you saying that those that drink and steal can't be saved either? When did the Blood of Jesus become so selective or impotent? 

  

Also Scripture does not say that "He will give homosexuals over to a debased mind". It says in Romans that certain people had (first) turned away from God and THEN they turned away from what was NATURAL (Greek word "phusikos") to that which was UNNATURAL to them. For an excellent write up on this passage in Romans I highly suggest your read the article found on the www.gaychurch.org web site titled "What is Natural?" It's located in the section of the site titled "Gay and Christian?" This web site is a sister site with Justin's web site (Justin was on the show). The link to the Gay and Christian section is below along with a link to the "What is Natural?" article. 

  

Gay and Christian?  

http://www.gaychurch.org/Gay_and_Christian_YES/gay_and_christian_yes.htm  

  

"What is Natural?" http://www.gaychurch.org/Gay_and_Christian_YES/calling_the_rainbow_nation_home/7d_gac_clobber_passages_what_is_natural.htm  

  

And more great articles on salvation and being gay... 

http://www.gaychurch.org/The_Word/Salvation/whosoever.htm  

http://www.gaychurch.org/Gay_and_Christian_YES/calling_the_rainbow_nation_home/3_gac_are_homesexuals_condemned_to_hell.htm  

  

In the "Gay and Christian?" section you will find every scripture used by some against homosexuals discussed. I suggest you read through these articles. You will find that your opinion (doctrine) is only one and that Christians interpret these passages differently. 

  

And yes there are other Christians out there who believe that gays are part of God's creation too. At last count there were over 3,550 Gay "Welcoming" congregations out there. Again I cite the church directory on the www.gaychurch.org web site as proof of this. 

Quote From: mdadvizor

How easy it must be for a person to call themselves a "Christian" if they want to place themselves above others and judge and condemn.  The Bible is subject to interpretation and some "Christians" like to pick and chose what is applicable and what is not.  Judge lest ye be judged.

Quote From: lamoduvo

First of all, I'm a bit surprised that this issue wasn't tackled in a more realistic manner.  You know, I'd like to see more "normal" gay people being portrayed instead of the stereotypical (or what society assumes we look like) gay person.  And this idea that all gay people wear their homosexuality must be addressed.  I feel that Dr. phil gave this audience exactly what they assumed they'd get. 

  

Secondly, my question is to anyone out there who'll answer this without giving me a bunch of "hogwash".  Ok, we're created with perfection.  As far as I know, God doesn't make mistakes, right?  Well then, am I a mistake because according to some Christians, God made a hugh mistake.   

  

I know I was born this way.  As far back as I can remember, I've been attracted to the same sex.  Yes, my first "sexual" memory was of the same sex.  I'm sorry, I just don't get the big deal! 

Quote From: oet_gaol

Well no it is said that children are not born gay because 4/5/6y is to early to have a sexual nature, that also is true that you are not born straight because they don't have a sexual nature, the same is true for bisexual. The childs brain is not ready to cope with that yet, the earliest talking about sex begins at age 10 but in a gigly kind of way the first boy girl relationships start to form at age 12 but more in a gigly kind of way, the real sexual preference only starts in mid puberty most gays feel at age 16/17 that they do not want to seek a partner from the opposite sex. so at that point the true for life sexual preference is developt. So the age that they are ready to have sex the sexual preference matures and not sooner (study of durex in 2004 reveals that 16.9 is the time most people loose verginity) 

  

Well as far as I understand from gays who treid out the opposite sex it pretty much works in the same way, you just fall in love. And maybe you cannot see yourself with one of the same sex but that is something completly different, I cannot see myself making love to a man but I do not see a difference in the just falling in love part instead of choosing to fall in love. 

Quote From: rlanthier

So at what point exactly in one's development  does one choose to be heterosexual? Do  you really understand the root causes of orientation enough to say that the predisposition is not set at birth? 

  

Quote From: oet_gaol

As first I do not think anyone chooses to be anything ,  that is what I said. 

  

And the theory I present I base on the observations I made in my life and the lifes of my friends. So no I wasn't educated but this is my view on things you can either accept it or reject it, I just do not believe anyone has a choice about this type of thing. And if you want to know my  whole view on this subject go to the preteens/teens board and teens and sex and we can discuss it in greater detail. 

Quote From: mistyc

If you are gay, that's fine I don't hate you and I'm not scared of you.  However why would anyone gay or striaght want to put their sex life "out there" for the public  to see and hear about.  I am a straight married woman and I don't discuss my private life with anyone, and I don't want to discuss anyone else's private life either