Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Actually there are two different versions of creation in the Bible.  

In Genesis chapter 1, male and female human beings, plural of each gender, were made at the very same time. And, there is says that God said "be fruitful and multiply." Humans are made after the land animals are created. In that chapter, God (plural) states, "Let us make humans in our images (literally)."  

But, in Genesis chapter 2, a human being (the proper translation of "adam" in context) is created and then God creates plants and also creates the garden/park known as "Eden." Then, God (the Hebrew word is actually plural, not singular) puts the human, aka the adam (the Hebrew word for "the" is used there), in the garden. 

When they (God) realized that the human is lonely, they said literally, "It is not good for the human to be alone; let US (plural) make a helper suitable for him."  

The KJV has "help meet" (note TWO words) for "helper suitable." "Helper" in the Hebrew text is "ezer" which is masculine (that's male in sex/gender). Some people think that "meet" means "mate" when "ezer" is another word for "mate." A helper who is a woman would be an "ezerah," which is the female form of "ezer." "Neged" is the word translated as "meet" or "suitable." A "neged" can be an identical copy of an original. Or it can be a copy of something with everything reversed as far as viewing is concerned.  

So the first adam had an identical copy of himself made (by God) which would have been a mirror image of himself if he were to look into a mirror.  

If you properly read the text, it was not God who said that the 2nd human being was an "eshah" (meaning taken from an "eesh") or was a "woman" because the 2nd person was taken from a "man," it was the 1st human who said that.  

Not even one time in Genesis chapter 2 does God tell those two humans they created to "be fruitful and multiply." Nothing is related to sexual reproduction until Genesis chapter 2 after the two humans eat of the fruit of the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil." That was the only thing the humans were told not to do. 

In chapter 3, when God (plural) asks, "Adam, where are you?" The verb in that question is plural and "adam," being a colletive noun, has the same spelling in Hebrew in both the singular and plural. "Adam" is like our words, "sheep" or "deer," which are spelled the same in singular or plural usage.  

Also, God NEVER calls/names the 2nd person "Eve." It is the first human who gives "her" that name. In Genesis 5, it is stated that God called both male and female human beings "adam."  

If only sexual attraction were a choice. We could 'choose' to be attracted to anybody, depending on their availability, and other more practical factors. Even heterosexuals could decide to be attracted to partners that would ordinarily not be considered attractive- the disfigured, the grossly obese etc.. 

I could choose to find broccoli delicious - which I despise. In fact I could to find all the healthy things delicious and none of the unhealthy foods. But unfortunately that's not how desires and attraction work. 

well the bible can be as absolute as you want (which I don't agree) but as soon as you I or anyone will read it our own History ideals and so on will make us to interprerit it our own way it is just human nature and you'll do it with the bible but also with moby dick a postcard or an advertisment for that matter. So even if it was an absolute truth as soon as you start reading it it wasn't anymore  

Well it is the walking on water thing (if he did that in Norway or Sweden I would've had a lot less trouble with it) and turning water into wine and stuff that made me doubtfull. together with creating the Earth in seven days thing. 

No I never wanted to suggest the Koran was the same thing as the bible I could've used yesterdays paper for that example it was just the first I could think of. 

Well the bible is written to our understanding that is the problem: Well think of it this way if you want to explain to a 5 year old how she was born you wont step into the details right? now we are the 5y old so if you where god wouldn't you cut some corners here and there. 

Well they werent redistributed all over since printing wasn't invented till the late 16th century (if I'm not mistaken) untill that time it was far to expensive for the common wealthy after that time still a few people could afford a bible. And even if they could they couln't read let alone read latin. So it took centuries before it became a best seller. And then many people own it but I think that a lot of them haven´t acually read it. 

Those who suffer from mental retardation are going to hell too? They do not love God, they do not repent their sins or pray. They are born with the same defficiency as homosexuals. What a cruel God you worship, bringing life into the world in a certain way then condemning them to hell for being exaclty how you created them. 

 I was surprised by the "I'm Gay" show and Dr. Phil's handling of the topic.  I've been watching the show for a long time and as a lesbian have noted the total absence of any gay couples on the show.  It made me the realize Dr. Phil just isn't that comfortable dealing with the issue of homosexuality.  That has not prevented my partner and I from putting to good use many of the ideas and couples solutions Dr. Phil offers!  Good advice, no matter what equipment resides in the pants.

It was fairly obvious to me that Dr. Phil purposely didn't state his own opinions of being gay, yet focused on ensuring people were being their authentic selves -- whatever that was, gay or straight.  I felt that it was the mark of a good therapist to be able to focus in on the other person without allowing any of his own discomforts to interfere.  Good job, Doc!
 

I enjoyed your post thoroughly! 

My theory is - All humans are born potentially bi-sexual and yes, sexuality starts at birth.  The new born is sexual.  It is just not manifested in children the same way as during puberty, when the physical characteristics start to set in.   

Do NOT confuse sexuality with behavior.  I said children are sexual and do have sexual feelings.  I did not say that they necessarily act out in terms of what we would call "sexual acts."  Children may act out a sexual feeling in ways that we would not necessarily consider sexual.   

For instance, I know now that I felt sexual attraction in connection with males before I was 4 Yrs old. 

This is a true story:  I remember once when my 11 yr old male Cousin came to my house for a visit.  I owned a toddler's ride-about stuffed horse.  My prized possession!  My cousin took my horse away  from me and sat down on it very hard, bending the legs.  He was clearly too heavy for it and it was starting to break.  I remember being incredibly frustrated and crying at him to get off my horse  before he ruined it completely.  He remained on it bouncing and laughing.  While all this was happening, I can recall experiencing a sexual feeling, a kind of pleasure/frustration all at once, perhaps from seeing him straddling my horse.  There was absolutely no physical contact between us.  I believe an adult then came in and ordered him off the horse.  In any case, the legs were almost crushed..  Now to my 3 1/2 Yr old mind, all horses were male animals then.  I recall that after the visitors had left and I was alone in my room with the stuffed horse, I pulled my pants down and proceeded to piddle all over it, soaking and ruining the soft fabric.  I was probably punished, after all I was already potty trained, my parents having no idea why I did such a thing.  My thoroughly ruined horse was thrown out.   I definitely know now that my childish urination act was clearly, an act of masturbation.   It came about as a result of the powerlessness and frustration I felt about my prized toy, and the fact that it was ruined by another male.  The fact that the horse (in my mind) was male, probably had some significance too. 

I present that true scenario just as one example of how a toddler might act out his/her sexuality   And believe me, that act was definitely sexual.  I still remember it. 

As a Psychologist, I have been studying human sexuality for over 40 years.  I would suggest you read some of the works of Sigmund Freud regarding sexuality. 

BTW, nobody can choose to "fall in love."  Falling in love is quite involuntary and is a sexual manifestation.  One might fall in love with someone of the same sex.  Although falling in love is not love, it certainly is a prerequisite for starting a sexual relationship, that hopefully will lead to true love.  Otherwise, one might as well just have a platonic relationship with someone that is loved.  I'd suggest reading M. Scott Peck MD - "The Road Less Traveled"  for further explanations regarding what is love and what it is not love.