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Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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Created on : Friday, October 14, 2005, 03:56:41 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/19/05) Sexual orientation used to be something kept hidden from family and co-workers, but now more and more people are "coming out" and finding acceptance. Anjela says her mother and sister don't support her sexual orientation, and feel she can't be Christian and gay at the same time. Can they reconcile this touchy issue? Then, two men debate whether a person can go from gay to straight, and parents of a 4-year-old boy fear their son's desire to play with dolls and wear heels means he'll grow up to be gay. Are they overreacting to his wishes to be a princess instead of a prince? Talk about gender and gay issues here.


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October 21, 2005, 6:19 am PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: mr_lion

Regarding the part about men in prison.  There was a very good dissertation on the Web (I can't remember the location) but if you plug in the phrase "Repressed Homosexuality" in Google, you might find it.  That's how I originally found it.  It was written by a psychiatrist from Calgary, CA. 

  

What I can remember of it.  He points out the strong correlation between men who abuse/beat the women that they're having sex with and repressed homosexuality.  These are the same men who engage in violent rape and gang rape against other men while in prison.  These men, for the most part, really are homosexual.  They will never identify as such.  Additionally, men who engage in the gang rape of women are really engaging in homosexuality with each other, the woman merely serving as a common receptacle for their homosexual union.  They regard the "sexual objects" they use as  "bitches" - whether in prison or on free-side,   They hate anything feminine, which is why they use and beat anything they regard as feminine -  women, or weaker men that they can control.    

  

These men clearly have orgasms and enjoy having sex with other men, as long as they remain in the active (the top) role, so that they can maintain the illusion that they are "straight."  The desperation ploy is just an excuse.  Of course the ones who are the "victims" of the rape - and it IS usually rape - are probably the only ones who are heterosexual.  They are just perceived otherwise because they can't fight off the repressed homosexual bullies/abusers. 

 I don't believe this.  It's about control.  These people were simply abused themselves. 
 
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October 21, 2005, 6:23 am PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: max_01

B I N G O 

 

God and religion have been used for too long in the persicution and death of mankind by the hands of man. 

  

That's God's job, not man's.  

  

  

 Well, maybe those who are really open minded can start rethinking the sexual laws concerning sex with animals or sex with siblings or parent-child sexual relations.

Don't you think, it's ironic, that out of all of these old Testament laws, the only ones mentioned again in the New Testament happens to be homosexuality? Of course, God, knowing the future, knew that people would turn against this particular law and made sure it was included again in the New Testament so that all men would be without excuse. 

If people have used God's word in an unjust manner, and have used the scriptures to justify their actions, then it's not about God, is it? 

In my opinion, that is exactly what is happening here.  God's laws are being misused, manipulated or even ignored and there will eventually be a penalty to pay. 


 
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October 21, 2005, 7:07 am PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: mr_lion

There's probably a reaction on the part of you Niece because of the "Forced Heterosexism" that she had to live under since before she could remember.  If her intent is love, then so be it.     

  

Your neighbor simply having the attraction is doing no harm.  If his intent was to harm, If he forced himself on boys against their will, that is abuse and he should be in prison.  Hurting a child or forcing oneself on anyone is unacceptable. 

  

Your nephew being on drugs and alcohol is only the symptom.  I would guess that your nephew is repressing his natural homosexuality and/or other emotions - the drugs and alcohol serve to numb out the true feelings. 

  

The neighbor in the other state is suppressing his homosexuality - the symptom?  Beating his wife.  He hates all women, all that is feminine.  He's a likely candidate to rape and beat men in prison as well. 

  

Perhaps you are suppressing something? 

  

You are obviously confused between consent and force (rape). 

  

Look to the WORD within your heart. 

  

As above, you seem to be asking this question because you are confused between consent and force - hurting someone.  When you act on an impulse that involves harming another soul, you incur negative karma.  

 You're saying the neighbour who has an attraction to little boys is doing him no harm?

And you're a psychologist?????

It is doing him harm and he'll likely, as he had, acted on his attractions.  This man, if he's only just attracted and not doing anything needs intensive treatment to deprogram him.  I'm not a psychologist and i know that.

What's this 'karma"?  I didn't think a psychologist would use that phrase.  Do you believe in reincarnation?


 
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October 21, 2005, 7:09 am PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: katlover

Yes, what WAS she thinking about? I have not ever met this woman.  

  

My agenda is (and I am a lesbian btw) to have fun with my adult children, be a great grandmother to four really cute kids, to love my g/f with all my heart and soul, to make her happy, to take care of my pets and my home and to enjoy my friends too. To the other gay people on this board, what's your agenda? *smiling* 

 Hi Katlover:

You seem like a really nice lady.  I just wondered if God factored into your agenda anywhere.


 
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October 21, 2005, 7:12 am PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: lantara

As far as I am concerned, David can go on all day saying how straight he is now and how if he WERE having sex, it would be with women, but when I look at him, I see an obviously gay man pretending to be straight.  Its pretty easy to use the seminary to hide behind so you dont have to face up to your sexuality.
 there are thousands who have turned from homosexuality to heterosexuality.  You don't seem to believe them, and basically you are calling them 'liars'.

However, when someone turns from straight to gay, you have no problems whatsoever and cheer loudly believing they've done some wonderful thing.

A serious double standard and it's also hypocritical.
 
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October 21, 2005, 7:15 am PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: tulseyjoe

Oh, are you asking which version of the Holy Bible does the Gay Christian Network use? From what I can figure by checking out the site, at gaychristian.net, members of the network use a variety of translations. 

  

I myself use several versions of the Bible as well as a Hebrew version of the Hebrew Scriptures, called the Old Testament by modern "Christians" and two versions of the Greek Language New Testament, since most modern translations in English sort of base their translations on one of those two. The KJV used what was called the "Textus Receptus" as their basic source, which is also what the Roman Catholic Church's Latin Vulgate used.  

  

While the Hebrew Text Bible I have is called the "Masoretic Text," I often pretend that the vowel points in and/or around each of the Hebrew letters are not there and I look at the word as it was written in Hebrew Originally. Those "vowel points" did NOT exist yet at the time of Jesus. They were added by some Jews many years after he was on earth in human form.  

 How do you get around the words "unnatural" used twice in Romans in reference to homosexuality?
 
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October 21, 2005, 7:37 am PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: mommyjenna

 So you believe truth is relative?

In the case of OJ Simpson, some believe that he murdered his wife, some believe that drug dealers killed her, some beleive that he was set up by white supremists, some believe that it was a random kiling.

If truth is relative, then all of these beliefs are right.

I don't believe truth is relative.  And I think that's why it's called truth.

There is a truth as to how the earth was made, how we got here, how we are supposed to conduct ourselves, and what happens to us after this life is over. 

Now, we have to figure out which belief system is the truth.


  Now, we have to figure out which belief system is the truth.

How about this?  Your belief system is your truth.  My belief system is mine. 

For instance, I do not believe in organized religion.  I haven't since I was a small child.  As an adult, I understand more and more how it is a form of brainwashing.  You are told what to believe and how to believe.  I still have the ability to think and feel for myself. 

Bottom line, none of us really know what God intends - please don't quote the Bible to me.  It has been distorted to serve an agenda for centuries.



 
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October 21, 2005, 7:41 am PDT

Good Point Mr. Lion:

Quote From: mr_lion

Did you ever have a wedding, perhaps a church wedding, any kind of PUBLIC wedding?  If the answer is YES, then you've gone public about your relationship. 

  

Do you let anyone know you have a husband?   If the answer is YES, then you've gone public about a significant other.. 

  

Do you have children, biological or otherwise?   Does anyone, anywhere know that you have children?  If YES, then you've indeed gone public about your sex life. 

  

If a same-sex couple answered YES to any of the above, they'd immediately be accused of flaunting their sexuality.   

Hey let's go have a coffee together? Hugs! 

  

This post is addressed to all the younger Christian members here (< 40 years old) who are so totally against homosexuality for supposed reasons stated in the Bible. Once again I won't go into the religious aspect of this debate at all. 

  

Christians have used the Bible to block so many minorities from obtaining equal rights in the US. I am addressing this to you because you were not born when these things happened. Like what issues did some Christians try to block with their Bible: 

  

  • Desegration
  • Freedom for POC (people of color) to marry and then a hundred or so years later the right to marry outside their race
  • The ERA Equal Rights Amendment~which would have guaranteed women complete equality in the US
  • Women's Right to Vote in the US
  • African American Right to Vote in the US
  • Freedom to Choose whether or not to have a child
  • POC Right to Read- Tis true!
  • Women's Right to Work

These are just a few rights that some Christians fought very hard to prevent and in some cases were successful, unfortunately. I was alive and with a thoughtful mind when some of these issues were raised and argued about. I saw the news and the folks with the Bibles in their hands trying to prevent some Americans from being granted their basic civil rights. And many examples that were used against the minorities mentioned above are appearing right here in this topic about Homosexuality. 

  

Could you take a break from reading the Bible and read the US Constitution. Why am I asking you to do this? Because it reflects what is coming down the road, how fruitless it is to argue against it, what a waste of time and energy it is to fight it.  

  

There WILL be full Equality for Homosexuals in the United States. And there is nothing much you can do to turn the tide against it. It IS going to happen. The only question is WHEN. And I am doing everything in my power as a member of the Lesbian, Gay, Bi-sexual and Transgendered Community to see that it happens sooner and not later. 

  

So I won't engage in arguing with any of you about who is right and who is wrong; it is pointless. What I do engage in is educating people about the true meaning of homosexuality and what it is like as a lesbian living in this country as a second class citizen.  

  

The only thing that matters is we chose to love and say no to hate and denying others their rights as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States. 

  

  

  

 
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October 21, 2005, 7:43 am PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: appsas

I'm sorry, I must not have been clear.  I am in NO WAY suggesting that babies are born with sexual tendancies.  What I'm saying is that it could be feasible that a neurological or hormonal issue/imbalance, etc. could not develop properly and when that person, male or female, goes through adolescence, whatever didn't develop properly, presents itself in this way.  I have spoken to many gay people and have had real sincere heart to heart conversations about this, and many of them have told me that they felt like something was different at a very young age (maybe not sexual feelings at 5 or 6) but that something wasn't quite right.  All I'm saying is ... how can you be so sure that there is NO WAY people are born this way.  I personally feel that anything is possible and when people tell me they have felt this way as long as they can remember, it makes me wonder.
 
 
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October 21, 2005, 7:54 am PDT

My Relgion Is Very Personal and Sacred:

Quote From: mommyjenna

 Hi Katlover:

You seem like a really nice lady.  I just wondered if God factored into your agenda anywhere.


And I can not bring this into the discussion. 

  

Thanks for the compliment. I have read your posts and now it seems that you are reading mine. I don't appear to be so threatening do I? Because I am a mother, a grandmother too! We have something in common; motherhood and the love of our children. My picture is here; a face that looks like many other Moms and women here. 

  

So see gays are not what many people think. My g/f and I do not hang out in bars. We don't dress in outlandish and very revealing clothing in Gay Pride Parades. Though I will stand up for the right of others to live their lives as they see fit as long as it doesn't hurt me and my family physically that is. 

  

I have already mentioned what was my grandson's response when I came out to him; he feels the only important thing is that we have someone to love.  

  

But my granddaughter on the other hand broke my heart when I came out to her. Actually I had them both together at the time. She said "Grandma, gay people touch children in bad places and ways. You are not going to do something bad to me are you?" It almost killed me that she was already hearing negative and very damaging sterotypical remarks about homosexuals. I choked up literally! 

  

I said, "Ava no! I would never touch you in a bad way. Gay people don't live for touching children in a bad way! I will tell you this darling, if someone does something to you that gives you a sick feeling in your tummy; no matter who it is; tell your parents immediately! " 

  

Can you all not see the damage this does? 

 
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