Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

I suggest nothing. I merely state. It was an example For the most part, the disfigured don't get a lot of offers. The words I used were "decide to be attracted" not  "cannot be attracted". It doesn't warrant a politically correct tirade about the disfigured. 

If you happen to know any disfigured people and on the outside chance that you might not be attracted to them, then why don't you choose to be attracted to them. 

 Well, the psychologist, here Mr. Lion would disagree with you - that babies and young children DO have sexual tendencies.

I personally disagree with that.

I have no doubt that gay people experienced feelings that they were 'different' when they were children.  However, i think a lot of heterosexual children also have these feelings of being different.  Even Jeffrey Dalmer knew at a young age that he was different.   He had feelings during science class later in high school where he wanted to eat the animal (frog I think) that they were disecting.  Now instead of rejecting that thought, like most would,  he dwelt on it and allowed it to fester.  He then began fantasising more and more about relationships with men - picking up a hitchhiker, killing him and then eating him.  Well, this fantasy came into reality one night and after that there was no stopping him.

I hope there is no anger at the above example.  It IS an extreme one, but it goes to show how one thought that is wrong can lead to actions if we dwell on those inpure thoughts instead of rejecting them.  I do understand that homosexuals do not feel it is their 'choice' to be gay because they have been believing and thinking for many, many years about the subject.

Many of the gays here say they are Christian, yet we hetero Christians get slammed for quoting the Bible, which I don't understand.  Anyway, there is a scripture that illustrates the above point very well. 

Ephesians 6:12

For our struggle is no against flesh and blood but against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

How does the evil one fight against us?  In our minds. 

You say that the bible has led many early cristians to literacy, again many is not the correct word most people where simple farmers and couldn't afford any type of schooling only the nobles and priests could afford to be thought writing reading and Latin. This great number you speak of does not exist. It was the opposite priests and noble men had no interrest in educating the people, because god feering domb people where easier to control then well educated people.  

  

Why do you think that the church feered science in the middle ages? It wasn't because it was thought to be the work of satan no it was because they feered that people would get educated know that the bible isn't as true as they'd like to believe. They where afraid that the people gained control lost faithed in the church that they would lose power. 

  

And you know they where right because as soon as the people got educated they lost their faith why is it that many scientists do not believe in the story of creation? why is it that in Europe this liberation has led to a dramatic decrease in numbers that visit the church? 

  

It is because people know that people know they do not have to read a bible and do not have to go to church to feel a connection to god or whatever they believe in. 

  

And the sweden thing? it can be cold there if he would've walked on water there I wouldn't have had a problem with it.  

I'm amused by how some Christians are able to speak with authority about things that are matters of experience, like 'turning' from homosexuality to heterosexuality.  Just the fact that so many people claim to have turned doesn't make it so. I would need to prove definitively that they were not bisexual, since , if they were, that would not be a 'turning'. It's as questionable as the claim that gays can 'convert' children to become homosexual, when they aren't already. What further complicates the issue, is whether these 'thousands' are heterosexually active. If like the priest, they are celibate, that proves exactly nothing. If they are, then, we are dealing with behavior, not orientation. There are so many stories of married men who 'discover' that they are gay, yet performed heterosexually.

I don't think I've said anywhere that I know what God wants.  Again, I'm simply saying that we can be born with every possible developmental issue in the world ... why is being gay the only exclusion?  It's just a possiblilty.  Nice sarcasm though.  You might also consider that if a man is not physically attracted to a woman, that simply making the 'choice' to be attracted to her isn't going to work ... mechanically speaking.  Just a thought.

"Let's not forget that the Bible was used to deny women the right to vote, to support slavery and look what "good and decent Christians" did to our Native Americans in the name of Christianity. " 

  

Good point! And let us not forget how some Christians fought interrgration in our neighborhoods as well. To the younger people, believe it or not people could deny housing to someone based on their race, national origin, religion, age, etc. etc. Yes, there were some Christians out there using the Bible to promote and deny  the right of people to live in whatever neighborhood they chose.  

  

Looking back on recent history, it sounds disgraceful in all the ways the Bible was used against the human race to deny them basic human rights. 

Maybe alot of men or women were hurt by their girlfriends or boyfriends and thats why they turned gay, or where abused by the same sex growing up, I dont know. 

All I know is people choose to become gay 

I have a friend who is gay and he knows its wrong but its his choice. 

  

Happily straight and married with 2 chlidren 

Shauna 

I know that many people are gay in this world and they should be treated fairly and equally by everyone because that is God's demand.  However, the Bible clearly states that homosexulity is not acceptable.  But there are many sins that will fall in the same category.  So I say let God judge and let us love.

Your children are so lucky to have YOU for a mother! Good job! You are a prime example that it is possible to be a Christian, love your children unconditionally and do not judge others. I wish the world had many more people like you in it! It would be a better world with much love and joy! 

  

Thank you for your post! 

I just want to say this to you - we are created in God's image.  God is not gay and therefore it is sad that you and so many others think this will save you.  It is not to say that God does not love you - but he does not condone what you are doing.  We are all given FREE WILL - not a "gay gene".  I am pleased you had a good relation with your father/family.  But maybe you had bad expriences with cousins/kids at school - I would not even begin to guess - but your lifestyle is a sin.   

I will pray for you 

MG