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Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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(Original Air Date: 10/19/05) Sexual orientation used to be something kept hidden from family and co-workers, but now more and more people are "coming out" and finding acceptance. Anjela says her mother and sister don't support her sexual orientation, and feel she can't be Christian and gay at the same time. Can they reconcile this touchy issue? Then, two men debate whether a person can go from gay to straight, and parents of a 4-year-old boy fear their son's desire to play with dolls and wear heels means he'll grow up to be gay. Are they overreacting to his wishes to be a princess instead of a prince? Talk about gender and gay issues here.


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October 21, 2005, 10:19 am PDT

God's sexuality

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I don't think anyone here is really qualified to say what Gods will or Sexual preference is.

I can say with absolute authority that if God exists, then he is Spirit. What kind of sexuality does Spirit have? 

 
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October 21, 2005, 10:23 am PDT

Stop the hurting!

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God creates and loves EVERYONE.  Jesus got angry at the Pharisees when they tried to discriminate and keep people from having a relationship with God.  Jesus himself came to earth to teach us how to love.  Who among us has a right to cast the first stone at anyone? No one!  If only people would read their Bibles instead of misquoting something they heard!  You're right when you say there are more important things to be concerned about than someone's sexual orientation - A LOT MORE!!!!  There are only a couple of references to sexuality in the Bible - but hundreds of verses about caring for the poor and worshiping God...  Homophobics try to ignore the real issues by focusing on a particular issue that doesn't affect them directly - the one "sin" that doesn't apply to them.  A hypocrite is the worse sinner of all.  I applaud your honesty and your ability to be your authentic self!!!  The way God made you to be.  Who can judge or question God's intent or motive for doing what He does? No one should!  God Bless You!  Jesus loves you just the way ou are because that's how He made you!

Hey guys, 

  

How many of you in high school were picked on about something (sometimes really stupid), now just magnify that by 1,000 and you might get some perspective.  The majority gays my dad, mom and I have spoke with are in pain that has been inflicted by close family members, pastors, self-righteous, peers, co-workers, etc.  C'mon, people, the bottom line is stop the hurting!  Jesus said "LOVE" and in all these posts from "Christians" quoting Scripture, it does NOT come across as love.  One of the EASIEST commandments is "love your neighbor as yourself", but so many don't have a grip on the meaning of "love"!  How is someone's orientation really affecting your life personally????  Let God "deal", as so many put it, with them and everyone else just love your neighbor instead of judging them by what YOU think is right or wrong, k? 

  

  

 
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October 21, 2005, 10:29 am PDT

April =)

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Yes, pray to your God for the homosexuals who are looked down upon by the self righteous Christians who blindly submit to a book with several authors written years after Jesus left us. Yes dear, go pray. Pray that society can finally accept everyone, that society will stop debating whether minorites will have equal rights.  

April, don't be depressed =(  I firmly believe that only person who can open narrow-minded people's eyes is God and that day is coming!  I firmly believe that!  God is bringing this issue to a head, and everyone who thinks they know what is God's heart, prepare to repent =)  I remember when I first started supporting my daughter and the many people I tried to talk to and share my views with, it became frustrating to me, and I would get angry.  I have learned that all I can do is pray that God reveals his Grace for the gay community and to enlighten the "followers" of Him.  Just turn it to prayer, April =)  Things will get accomplished alot quicker that way! 

  

Love you!  Your friend in PA! 

  

Kelly 

 
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October 21, 2005, 10:40 am PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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And I can not bring this into the discussion. 

  

Thanks for the compliment. I have read your posts and now it seems that you are reading mine. I don't appear to be so threatening do I? Because I am a mother, a grandmother too! We have something in common; motherhood and the love of our children. My picture is here; a face that looks like many other Moms and women here. 

  

So see gays are not what many people think. My g/f and I do not hang out in bars. We don't dress in outlandish and very revealing clothing in Gay Pride Parades. Though I will stand up for the right of others to live their lives as they see fit as long as it doesn't hurt me and my family physically that is. 

  

I have already mentioned what was my grandson's response when I came out to him; he feels the only important thing is that we have someone to love.  

  

But my granddaughter on the other hand broke my heart when I came out to her. Actually I had them both together at the time. She said "Grandma, gay people touch children in bad places and ways. You are not going to do something bad to me are you?" It almost killed me that she was already hearing negative and very damaging sterotypical remarks about homosexuals. I choked up literally! 

  

I said, "Ava no! I would never touch you in a bad way. Gay people don't live for touching children in a bad way! I will tell you this darling, if someone does something to you that gives you a sick feeling in your tummy; no matter who it is; tell your parents immediately! " 

  

Can you all not see the damage this does? 


I certainly do beleive that there are a lot of gay people (probably most) who do live very 'normal' lives like the rest of us.  I think most of the so called 'Bible thumpers' believe it too.

I'm sorry to hear what your granddaughter said to you.  I'm sure that must have hurt.  I would never tell children that gay people do such things.  And yes, there certainly is damage being done by some, but it's not the people who truly do love the Lord.  The people who are saying such things are just ill informed.  The people who are beating up homosexuals are hurting and very angry.  They're the ones who were the bullies in school who were probably beat up at home.  They just still haven't grown up yet.   And yes, they are certainly doing damage. 

You obviously were not a practising homosexual all your life.  You must also be glad that you were heterosexual for awhile at least, otherwise you wouldn't have your children and grandkids now.  Do you mind discussing why you changed?  If you don't want to that's fine.  Never hurts to ask as they say.




 
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October 21, 2005, 10:44 am PDT

what is the sin

What is it about homosexuality , or just consensual sex in general that makes it so terribly evil? Who exactly is being hurt? What and where is the harm?
 
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October 21, 2005, 10:50 am PDT

Time magazine

Hey, an FYI, the boy who is featured on the cover of Time Magazine is my daughter's (lauren) best friend in high school~  He is a great gay male who I've really enjoyed getting know over the last year.  His parents are Christians who felt that sending him to an Exodus International Camp would change his attraction to the same-sex.  Guess what?  It didn't work and will never work
 
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October 21, 2005, 11:25 am PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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No he didn't. God gave muslims the Koran because he is the author of the Koran, therefore Muslims can safely say they know what God wants. Who's the author of the Bible? 

I have to agree with you here if there is a true religion it would probably be the Islam why? simply because it evolved as the latest Major religion, as you see from judian takst evolved the bible and from those evolved the koran. only they see jesus as a prophet rather then the son of god
 
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October 21, 2005, 11:30 am PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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I agree
I don't care what two people do in the privacy of their own home, but when they start throwing it in my face, and calling me names and judging me for not embracing their lifestyle, then i think it is time to speak up.  If they feel so right about what they are doing, why are they so desperate for our approval anyway?
 
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October 21, 2005, 11:46 am PDT

My Personal Christian Thoughts On This.

I was raised in a family that was always very involved in their faith.  I attended Catholic school for 9 years of my life.  I've received all the sacraments available to me up to this point.  I've existed in world surrounded by loved ones who's belief in God and Jesus Christ is not only expressed as faith, but as a component of who they are as people. 

  

I was curious to see what reflections people might have on Dr. Phil's recent show, so I decided to check out this board today.  Five pages into reading the messages, I was sickened and saddened by what our society has become. 

  

I have a personal belief about my faith.  It is that I am not perfect.  But I will do my best everyday to live my life in a manner that would please God.  And, in my eyes,  extending kindness and compassion to my fellow man is God's number one request of me in my life.   

  

With that I must say, "how dare you" to some of the Christians on this board.  How dare you berate the homosexuals and loved ones of homosexuals as being mentally ill, or bound to burn in hell for the choices they've made in their life.  For starters, what business is it of yours?  If you're uncomfortable with homosexuality than fine.  DON'T become a homosexual.  But I have no doubt in my heart that if Jesus Christ were to show up today he would be exceptionally disgusted with the judgemental, condescending, holier than thou attitudes of some that I've seen on this message board.  Who are you to judge?  Who are you to speak for God?  You are a mere human with, I'm certain, no shortage of imperfections and sin in your own life.  What is it?  Your preacher told you how you should feel about homosexuals? He cited the biblical references are you just followed along? You should know, as Christians, that the only one you should follow is God himself.  Maybe your God is different than mine, but I was raised to believe that he is a kind and loving Father. 

  

How disappointing we have all become as his children.  Am I a homosexual?  No.  But the humanity of my heart...that I was given by my Father in Heaven, bleeds for these poor souls that just want to be happy.  That just want to be afforded the right to love another person.  How, in God's name, can you deny someone the right to love somebody? 

  

I believe that the God whom has been a part of my life ALL of my life embraces anyone who tries, daily, to embrace, love, cherish and support their fellow man.  Jesus himself said, "Love one another, as I have loved you."  He never said, "Love everyone EXCEPT X,Y and Z." 

  

These attacks on the spirit of society have to stop.  So many people profess to only wanting to do the work of God.  If that's the case, why is there so much hatred and conflict in the world?  In my opinion, a true follow of God and his holier world walks through this world armed with LOVE for all our brothers and sisters.  And what I read in this message board was NOT love. 

 
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October 21, 2005, 11:58 am PDT

think about it

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I think hetero people are rediculous to say that because as gay people who want to be able to be gay in public that we are flaunting it in their faces. Do you have any idea how many blatant displays of heterosexual affection I have to endure within my family or on tv or in the street everyday. Yes gay peopl exist, and no they should have to restrain themselves  from having relationships (or sex) and yes you should have to see it, bigot 

But it looks so nasty.  Why should I have to look at nasty stuff? 

Seriously, if two people are walking down the street holding hands it doesn't bother me.  It's the ones that dress like demons and parade around that make me sick.  They don't want acceptance they want to be outrageous and offensive.  And the rest of you have to suffer all the more because of them.  Of course, the suffering you do here will not compare to the suffering of judgment later.  And it not a judgment when you simply state a fact. 

 
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