Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

 So you don't think his feeling frustraion and pleasure at the same time is at all strange, especially while watching his favorite toy being destroyed? 

And then peeing on it as an act of 'masturbation:?   Do you find this normal behaviour? 

 Point me to the stats that are not from a pro-homosexual agenda and I'll look at them.

 Without getting too involved in one example here, I'll just state that the devil tell us lies, and if we're not careful we can believe these lies fully and it will impact our viewpoints and actions. 

Some of those lies can make us utterly miserable and depressed and worthless, like your example.  Other lies can make us feel pumped up, full our ourselves, self righteous, better than others. 

They're still all lies. 

That's why we have to go to the scriptures for truth. 

you ignored the context of my whole post! I used the terms in the same paragraph to illustrate opposite points! I'm not a therapist, I'm a social worker and an early childhood educator. and I'm not christian. which is not to say I have anything against christianity itself - it has some nice ideas. my issue is when christians interpret their religion in whatever ways coincide with their own beliefs, and perpetrate harm on others - particularly children. I have too many children and youth in my caseload that have been so shamed by interpretations of the bible that instill shame in them. I have too many gay kids who have killed themselves (or attempted) because their christian parents couldn't accept them. I have too many children who are shamed out of their sexuality when they are soooo little. and children who are shamed so much around their sexuality (masturbation etc), that they are to ashamed to say anything when someone is hurting them that way. not tryna be rude, but my days are filled with the fallout of this kind of intolerance, and it's ALWAYS the children who have to pay. :(

that's a really freudian interpretation, and I'm anot a big freud fan, so that's not how I would interpret that specific behaviour. the behaviour sounds normal - young kids pee on stuff...frustration, power struggle...whatever. just now how I would interpret his behaviour. 

  

I'll reply more tomorrow to your other posts cuz I have to get to work. take care! 

check out national stats. government sites. I don't have american ones, only canadian, but get to a government stats site. trust me, your government doesn't have a 'pro-homosexual' agenda. it's big on intolerance and discrimmination, and STILL manages to come up with stats that say domestic violence is more prevalent in opposite sex relationships.

Sorry, didn't mean to skip the parts you mentioned. 

  

I believe that unless that mentally challenged child (or adolescent or whatever) is taught right from wrong and understands that concept, then he/she will be held responsible for their actions. If they aren't then they don't know what they're doing is wrong. Somewhere along their path, they found that curiousity for others of the same gender and grew to be attracted to them and eventually addicted. 

  

As for you question about those kids who are born into good and acccepting families, I don't know what your question is. Is it "will they burn in hell too"? If so, their punishment has nothing to do with their parents opinion. If their parents are O.K. with them being gay, that doesn't mean God will be O.K. with it too. The same if your parents hate that idea. That doesn't mean God will judge on that opinion. 

  

I believe that you will "get out of eternal damnation" if you don't know better and don't know that's it is wrong. I also think that that's highly unlikely. In today's world, christian or not, you know right from wrong. You can't cover your ears to both sides of the story regarding homosexuality. Again, it's a matter of how much you know and what you've been taught--a matter of responsibility. 

  

 Yes I did.  It wasn't directed at me and I skimmed over it and made this quick observation which I thought was ironic.

Very quickly, in response, it is sad there is so much 'shame' here as you have experienced.  But again, those lies can pile up. Every suicide begins with shameful or bad thoughts that continue.

 What kind of organization do you work for, btw?

I may have time later to address that other post later but I'm quickly running out of time here.

About the stats on homosexual/heterosexual abuse, I did do a quick search and this is the first one I found.  The study was done by the American Journal of Public Health.   Thousands were surveyed here. 

You can find the link at http::www.narth.com/docs/domestic.html

At the bottom of the page is the link to the study.

 Yes, this man is a Freudian kinda guy.  I'm not a Freud fan either and I certainly never had penis envy.  First time I saw one I was grossed out.  Now don't jump on me for saying that anyone.  I'm still very much a happily married heterosexual woman. 

I think the term "close minded" comes into play here again. Basically your saying that any statistics and studies that show gays are normal are sponsored from the "pro-homosexual agenda"? Is the APA (American Psychiatric Association) a stooge of the "gay activists"? What about the American Psychological Association?  

  

Concerning "reparative" or "conversion therapy" the president of the APA had this to say:  

“There is no scientific evidence that reparative or conversion therapy is effective in changing a person’s sexual orientation.  There is, however, evidence that this type of therapy can be destructive.”  

  

Mind you this was after exhaustive study on the issue. How about some more famous psycholigist that came to the conclusion that homosexuality was a naturally occuring part of human nature. Does Jung or Sigmund Freud ring any bells? At what point do you conclude that these people may have some expertise and knowledge in a subject that you may not have? Or is everything that runs counter to your opinion "gay activists" and being manipulated by the "pro-homosexual agenda"?