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Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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(Original Air Date: 10/19/05) Sexual orientation used to be something kept hidden from family and co-workers, but now more and more people are "coming out" and finding acceptance. Anjela says her mother and sister don't support her sexual orientation, and feel she can't be Christian and gay at the same time. Can they reconcile this touchy issue? Then, two men debate whether a person can go from gay to straight, and parents of a 4-year-old boy fear their son's desire to play with dolls and wear heels means he'll grow up to be gay. Are they overreacting to his wishes to be a princess instead of a prince? Talk about gender and gay issues here.


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October 21, 2005, 7:16 pm PDT

I Am A Lesbian

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I'm heterosexual and absolutely loved it!
and absolutely love it!
 

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October 21, 2005, 7:22 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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IF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST WANTED US TO BE GAY HE WOULD OF PUT US HERE THAT WAY BUT HE DIDNT HE STARTED WITH ADAM AND EVE (MAN AND WOMEN) LEV.18:22 THOU SHALT NOT LIE WITH MANKIND AS WITH WOMANKIND IT IS ABOMINATION....     LEV20:13 IF A MAN ALSO LIE WITH MANKIND AS HE LIETH WITH A WOMAN BOTH  OF THEM HAVE COMMITTED AN ABOMINATION; THEY SHALL SURELY BE PUT TO DEATH; THEIR BLOOD SHALL BE UPON THEM FROM THE KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE . I DONT THINK ANYONE IS JUDGING ANYONE WE ARE TELLING WHAT THE HOLY WORD SAYS ITS WRONG (ABOMINATION). IF YOU GO TO CHURCH AND YOU REPENT YOUR SINS TO THE LORD AND HE SAVES YOU THEN YOU ARE NOT GOING TO WANT TO BE GAY BECAUSE WHEN HE SAVES YOU YOU WILL WANT TO TO DO RIGHT NOT WRONG.
I STILL DONT THINK YOU GOT MY MESSAGE.  I JUST THINK THAT THERE ARE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT GOD WANTS US TO DO.  EVERYBODY CAN QUOTE FROM THE BIBLE BUT WHAT ARE THE REAL CHRISTAINS DOING.  ARE THEY JUST DEBATING OR CAN THEY NOT FIND SOMETHING BETTER TO DO.  I BELEIVE IN JESUS CHRIST AND I AM A LESBIAN AND I KNOW THERE ARE THINGS THAT I WILL HAVE TO ANSWER TO BUT ONE  THING FOR SURE IS I WANT TO DO MY PART WHILE I AM HERE ON EARTH THAT WILL SERVE ALL GODS PEOPLE JUST AS HE INTENDED
 
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October 21, 2005, 7:37 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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 I'm sorry you took it that way.  I didn't mean it that way at all.

I said I was using the most extreme example of how the devil works on our minds (Mine too!!) 

It was an extreme example but the devil plants thoughts in our heads.  If we dwell on them long enough, the lies become truth.

Same would go for a KKK member.  It starts with a lie that festers over and over until that person believes something totally untrue is truth.

I was just stating that homosexuals start off with thoughts, allow the thoughts to continue until the person is convinced that the thoughts are the truth.   By the time they are adults, they fully believe that they have no choice in being gay.  The compulsions are so strong after so long that they believe they were born with these compulsions.   I talked on another board with a man who had turned from homosexuality and he told me that a lot of what they do, is help them to control the thoughts, or stop the thoughts and turn them. 

Again, I'm sorry I offended you.




Momma Jenna: 

  

That example put all homosexuals in the same category as mass murders. It perpetuates horrible stereotypes of homosexuals. Word can and do hurt and sadly all too often kill people.  

  

MommaJenna, talking to someone who had turned away from homosexuality does not let you know how it is. It is but one man's experience. If you want to learn something about gay people and what we are like; I would urge you to visit the web page for PFLAG Parents & Friends of Lesbians & Gays. It appears that you would like to learn more about gay people and who we are.  

  

I love women. In particular, I love one woman. And why do I love her? The answer may surprise you and others. We both love to read. We both are artistic. We absolutely love spending the day in the garden. We like to travel. I was drawn to her because she is a mom and she has three grandchildren. We spend our evenings over dinner talking about them. We are about the same age. She has red hair. She is intelligent, kind, compassionate, respectful. She laughs from the belly with her head thrown back. And we are going camping at the beach tomorrow. :) 

 
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October 21, 2005, 7:46 pm PDT

The Devil quotes Scripture

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I STILL DONT THINK YOU GOT MY MESSAGE.  I JUST THINK THAT THERE ARE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT GOD WANTS US TO DO.  EVERYBODY CAN QUOTE FROM THE BIBLE BUT WHAT ARE THE REAL CHRISTAINS DOING.  ARE THEY JUST DEBATING OR CAN THEY NOT FIND SOMETHING BETTER TO DO.  I BELEIVE IN JESUS CHRIST AND I AM A LESBIAN AND I KNOW THERE ARE THINGS THAT I WILL HAVE TO ANSWER TO BUT ONE  THING FOR SURE IS I WANT TO DO MY PART WHILE I AM HERE ON EARTH THAT WILL SERVE ALL GODS PEOPLE JUST AS HE INTENDED
Quoting Scripture means nothing in itself. The Word is a Person and receiving the Truth depends on Faith - a relationship with that Person.
 
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October 21, 2005, 8:17 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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MommaJenna;  

  

To answer your question about me being happy being a heterosexual at some time in my life. The answer is no. Not one single day was I happy being married to a man. I have always been happy being a mother and a grandmother.  

  

I came out at the age of 46 to myself and then to others at 47 years old. I was attracted to women at a very young age but I wanted to have children and back then being married to a man was the only way to have kids. I did not want to come out till my children were adults because I could not let their father take them away from me.  

  

This happens so much. You folks, who are heterosexual have no idea how many gay people have sacrificed being true to themselves; living empty miserable lives by marrying someone they didn't love or feel attracted to. Then you have two adults in an empty and sad marriage. You have no idea how many gay people have had their children taken from them when it became known they were gay. Thousands and thousands of gay parents have lost their kids only because they are gay. What about the kids? Kids could care less if their parents are gay. Kids want their parent's love. 

  

Thankfully things have changed. I know many homosexual couples who have families now thanks to modern fertility techniques and adoption. If they had had these techniques when I was younger; I would have chosen one of these ways to have children. Oh if I could only go back 35 years ago, take my partner with me; we would have had beautiful & very happy children together. I am not saying my kids are not happy. But they would have been much more happier and stable with two loving partents; even if they had two mommies. That is my only regret in my life. 

  

I get furious when I hear people saying gay people do not make good parents. I have even heard our president refer to this; saying marriage and children should be with a man and a woman only. I am hear to tell you he and others who feel this way are wrong. 

To Katlover 

You go girl!!!  My dad is gay, and i'm straight.  Gays can make GREAT parents.  

The hate must stop.  ALL love is good: straight or gay.  Too many "christians" forget that God loves ALL people, gay or straight.  God IS love, not hate. 

I hope everyone finds their "true love". 

 

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October 21, 2005, 8:21 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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You said: "First off, look in the Bible dictionary (I'm reading from the King James Version) under "Homosexuality". " 

  

Well of course the TRANSLATIONS which are not without INTERPRETATIONS will say that. Are you versed in the original texts? Both Hebrew and Greek? 

  

I meant to say the topical guide--not the Bible dictionary. My mistake.
 
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October 21, 2005, 8:35 pm PDT

topical what?

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I meant to say the topical guide--not the Bible dictionary. My mistake.
What is a topical guide?
 
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October 21, 2005, 8:46 pm PDT

You Should not Judge No One!!!!!!!!!!

I feel that a person has the right to express thier sexual orientation no matter what. I also feel that, a Gay or Lesbian has the rught to be a Christian or at least try to be one.It's no place for them,but church.You should not judge,because we all will be judged in the end.We all sin or have sinned.It's no diffrent from Gay's,liers, or cheaters.Just because we people object same sex relations,we choose to finger that one thing. 

 
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October 21, 2005, 8:47 pm PDT

Thank you!

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To Katlover 

You go girl!!!  My dad is gay, and i'm straight.  Gays can make GREAT parents.  

The hate must stop.  ALL love is good: straight or gay.  Too many "christians" forget that God loves ALL people, gay or straight.  God IS love, not hate. 

I hope everyone finds their "true love". 

Would you like to tell the folks here what is like growing up with a gay father? It may shock some people. LOL He must be a good dad from the tone and words in your post! 

  

My kids think I am a pretty cool mom. Except they hate the way I dress. Too old fashioned I guess. LOL 

  

Do ya'll know how many gay teenagers commit suicide because of all the negative messages they get from their peers who get that from their parents? How would you feel if you knew your children repeated your feelings about homosexuals to a kid in their class who they perceived as gay and that child killed themselves? How would that feel? 

  

If I was a homosexual kid and read the stuff in here against gay people I might have gone out and put a bullet into my head. Consider your words and how they hurt people! 

 
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October 21, 2005, 8:48 pm PDT

Questionable Beliefs

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Hey, you are absolutly wright. Today so many people believe that if it feels wright then do it. We have the liberals in this country to thank for that. The futher we stray from God the more we as a nation will suffer from his rath. People just don't understand the consiquinces of their sins and what impact it has on the rest of us.  I 'am not perfact , and I do sin, but I know right from wrong. Being gay is very. wrong. I was surprised that Dr. Phill didn't say tha t," homosexuality  is genetic, because in a previous show he said," you are born that Way." I was very upset when he said that. He is pressured by Hollywood, I'am sure. If he said anything agianst gays, his show would be off the air in a heartbeat. I would  like  to see him do a show on partial birth abortion. This clearly is murder! and anyone who disagrees needs their heads examined.  I believe that the people that came up with this procedure and convinced many people that this was not muder, but merely a choice, could also come up with a "procedure , that once the baby was born full turm, delivered naturally, then kill it by whatever means it would take and call it abortion." People in this country would believe that this was not Murder , but just a choice by a woman. How sad we have become as humans. God have mercy on us.

Were we all not created in the likeliness of God?  That is what I was taught growing up roman cathloic.  Is God's plan not for us to go and spread his word?  Who knows?  I lost my faith when I realized that I could not believe in anything that would rather have millions of people die from AIDS then to promote condom use and safe sex practices.  Is this just?  Is this what God would want?  Is this right?  Why would our creater play such a sick joke and watch from the heavens as families are torn apart and destroyed over an issue so unimportant as sexual orientation.  When you think of the devistation in the world right now, from flood victims to earthquake victims - why do you feel that someone's sexual orientation needs to concern you that much.  Denile is a very powerful emotion - and yet the essence of it is ignorance.  I would pose the question, is it gay individuals that concern you so much, or is it your own body telling you something that you fear more then the wrath of God? 

 
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