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Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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(Original Air Date: 10/19/05) Sexual orientation used to be something kept hidden from family and co-workers, but now more and more people are "coming out" and finding acceptance. Anjela says her mother and sister don't support her sexual orientation, and feel she can't be Christian and gay at the same time. Can they reconcile this touchy issue? Then, two men debate whether a person can go from gay to straight, and parents of a 4-year-old boy fear their son's desire to play with dolls and wear heels means he'll grow up to be gay. Are they overreacting to his wishes to be a princess instead of a prince? Talk about gender and gay issues here.


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October 22, 2005, 9:38 am PDT

LEVITICUS 20

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You preach ad nausea based on the assumption that homosexuality is a sin. 

That remains to be proved and since Jesus never spoke on the subject, you're on shaky ground. 

I CAN TELL FROM YOUR QUOTE THAT YOU DON'T READ YOUR BIBLE.   HOMOSEXUALITY IS SPOKEN OF IN THE BIBLE.  GOD SPOKE TO MOSES ABOUT IT......READ LEVITICUS 20.  I LOOK FORWARD TO HOW YOU WILL TRY TO EXPLAIN THAT ONE AWAY.  IT'S AS PLAIN AS DAY...RIGHT THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE.
 
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October 22, 2005, 9:40 am PDT

In Your Face

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I don't care what two people do in the privacy of their own home, but when they start throwing it in my face, and calling me names and judging me for not embracing their lifestyle, then i think it is time to speak up.  If they feel so right about what they are doing, why are they so desperate for our approval anyway?

Those that fight against oppression, know of oppression and the many faces it takes. 

  

Those "straights" that hold hands, embrace, and kiss, on t.v., on the streets, in the movies, etc. are doing so because it(sic) comes naturally. However those "straights" that are repulsed by others behaving as naturally as those "staights" do are being hypocritical.  

  

Those "straights" that send out invitations and engagement announcements to news papers are flaunting "their" lifestle.  

  

To be able to talk about "their" spouse in public and the workplace is a usual event for those "straights". 

  

Those "straights" have the right to make decisions for their spouse when their spouse isn't capable of doing so for them selves. 

  

Those "straights" can walk into the ICU because they are family.  

  

Need I go on? 

In you face is normal for those "straights". It is an every day occurance for us "gays" in an oppressive society.  

  

If it(sic) bothers those "straights" to have to put up with(tollerate) those "gays" holding hands in public, etc. all I have to say is, 

  

Whats good for the goose, is good for the gander. 

 
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October 22, 2005, 9:44 am PDT

Worldly?

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But it looks so nasty.  Why should I have to look at nasty stuff? 

Seriously, if two people are walking down the street holding hands it doesn't bother me.  It's the ones that dress like demons and parade around that make me sick.  They don't want acceptance they want to be outrageous and offensive.  And the rest of you have to suffer all the more because of them.  Of course, the suffering you do here will not compare to the suffering of judgment later.  And it not a judgment when you simply state a fact. 

I seriously feel you need to get out more. 

  

Do some trveling outside your back yard and see the world as it really is. 

  

It is normal in many countries for men or women to walk arm in arm, down the street in public.  

  

P A - L E A S E 

 
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October 22, 2005, 9:49 am PDT

YOUR CHOICE

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Recently I have become a Chrstian and now attend church regularly.  I have struggled to understand what God wants for me, and how this pertains to my orientation.  There was a book written by E.T. Sundby, "Calling the Rainbow Nation Home" which has really helped me understand my love of God even though I am gay.  So much of the bible has been misinterpreted over the years due to inaccurate trasnlation into other languages.  I think people need to understand that it is honestly not a choice. I did not choose to be gay.  Why would I want to be the black sheep of the family?   

WELL I'M GLAD THAT YOU LOVE GOD.  I ALSO BELIEVE THAT IF YOU TRUELY LOVED GOD, YOU WOULD WANT TO DO HIS WILL.  I THINK THAT BEING GAY IS A CHOICE.  I KNOW THAT GOD MADE YOU...AND GOD DOESN'T MAKE MISTAKES.  GOD SAID EVERYTHING HE MADE WAS GOOD.  AND I ALSO KNOW THAT IT IS IMPOSIBLE FOR GOD TO LIE.  SO ASK YOURSELF THIS......"HOW CAN GOD CONTRADICT HIMSELF?"  MY POINT IS....GOD DIDN'T MAKE YOU THAT WAY.  THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN IMPARTED INTO YOU AS A YOUNG CHILD WHILE YOU WERE GROWING UP....BUT GOD CAN DELIVER YOU FROM THAT SPIRIT OF HOMOSEXUALITY.  ALL IT TAKES IS SINCERITY.  YOU HAVE TO REALLY WANT TO CHANGE.  I'M NOT CONDEMING YOU FOR BEING GAY....THAT'S NOT FOR ME TO DO.  I'M SIMPLY TELLING YOU THAT I LOVE YOU AND SO DOES GOD.....AND HE WANTS YOU TO BE IN HIS WILL.
 
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October 22, 2005, 9:57 am PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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 I'm not sure why we're talking about Muslims or the Koran, but for the record, the Koran also states that homosexuality is a sin. 
 I was just illustrating to you the illigetimicacy of the bible
 
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October 22, 2005, 9:58 am PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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Biology was never one of my stronger subjects either but I do remember something about needing only a sperm and an egg to procreate and now GOD has given us the technology and know-how that couples CAN have babies without sexual procreation. There are as many gays who CAN procreate as there are straights who can. Not with each other...but uh...there are lots of straights who can't procreate with each other, is it also a sin for THEM to take surrogates?   

  

  

you like so many are so simple minded that it is scary. people are different, you know, diversity. it doesnt seem that difficult to understand. go figure!!
 
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October 22, 2005, 9:59 am PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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You should do stand up. ROFLMAO
i love your response!! thanx
 
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October 22, 2005, 10:00 am PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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If sex is only licit for the purposes of procreation then the Catholic view is the correct one. No masturbation, no condoms, no birth control pills and definitely no abortions. Even most Catholics don't abide by that. 

Also if a couple is infertile , then they should be celibate. Sounds crazy doesn't it. That probably cause it is. 

 TOUCHÉ!!!!! Well said!!
 
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October 22, 2005, 10:00 am PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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 Again, because people don't care about God's laws.

Are you making some blanket statement here that there are no violent homosexuals?




I'm just giving you a taste of your own medicine. you have made several blanket statements about homosexuals, so I'm just showing how ignorant it is. You really need to back off homosexuals and their lives and concentrate on the plight of heterosexuals in the country.
 
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October 22, 2005, 10:04 am PDT

Explain the difference to me, PLEASE

Quote From: rapunzel

quote from sboyd55: "

How can any thinking person say it is OK to be a homosexual and act on it, but being a pedophile and acting on it, is not OK? Look it up in the dictionary, both are sexual ordinations: A predisposition in favor of something. I realize a three-year-old child cannot give consent, but if the person was born with that sexual predisposition in favor of small children, should we condemn him for acting on it?" 

 

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How can ANY thinking person see ANY relationship between loving, consenting relationships between two adults, and raping babies??? when I act on my attraction to other women, I enter into a consesual relationship, there are healthy boundaries, and an equality of power. not to mention it's legal, it doesn't hurt anyone and it's enhances the lives of both parties involved. raping babies destroys lives, cannot be consensual, does not enhance lives, is not legal, does not have an equal power dynamic, and if i didn't mention it before, it destroys lives!!! I am terrified of someone who sees consensual love and child molestation as the same thing...that's as scary to me as someone who molests children. 

 

The term "pedophile" has long been used to describe people who are sexually and romantically attracted to prepubescent minors. The connotation of the word has shifted from its original neutral/romantic connotation into one which many in western society would consider offensive and vile. Even in its most neutral use, the romantic connotation has all but vanished, and now merely describes the sexual aspect of pedophilia rather than the full, encompassing classical definition which described the positive, romantic attraction of adults to both children and youth.

  

 

"Pedophilia" also comes from Ancient Greek, and it too means "boylove." However, paidophilia was never used to describe the pedagogical eros of the classical period. Two terms, paidophiles and philopais, both meaning "boylover," were coined late by Greek poets as a substitute for the word paiderastes because the accent in the given word for boylover did not lend itself to the metre the poets used in their works about boylove.[6]

  

 

The suffix -phile in its classical use did not signify a clinical paraphilia, but rather a natural, accepted, romantic connotation. With the rise of the Victorian era's shift in concepts of psychology and sexology, the uprise of child-rights activism and reform [7] in the late 19th century, the eventual rise of age of consent laws in the U.S. from 10-12 to 16-18 years of age[8], and the following shift in public discourse revolving pederastic sentiment, the term fell into a negative connotation.

  

 

Because of this shift from "romance" to "illness", certain activists in the modern childlove movement decided to adopt a new term which they feel more fairly and accurately represents their attractions as how it relates to modern atonement of the sentiment and practice of pederasty. This term is pedosexual. The word reflects the gay rights movement's decision to shift from "homophile" to "homosexual".

  

 

Unlike "boylover" or "girllover", "pedosexual" does not connotate classic romantic sentiment as did "pedophile", but rather more specifically refers to the explicit, primary sexual interests and self-labelling of the individual. Just as "homosexual" is to "gay", references of lifestyle and attitudes are also cut from its meaning.

  

 

The word is not without controversy, even amongst its own activists within the movement. Some activists feel the abandonment of the word "pedophile" is a cop-out and is not the correct move for public acceptance. Others feel it is the "only" way to go and that positive connotative reestablishment of "pedophile" is futile. The term "childluster" is also used interchangably in this fashion. Then, there are those which prefer not to use either "pedophile" or "pedosexual", sticking only to "boylover" or "girllover", exclusively.

  

 

Another word to describe boylove is "bay" (e.g.: "boy"+"gay") to describe boylove and pedosexuality. The term was coined by a 15 year old to describe his partner at the time

  

 

 

  

 

 
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