Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

 Well, there are studies out there from the American Journal of Public health that state otherwise.

 Where does it say in the Bible you can beat your wife?  It says "love your wives as Christ loved the church".   It does address sex with children and says that anyone who hurts a child will face hell.  

You're right, it doesn't say keeping slaves is a sin.  However, I don't think the definition of slave is the same one we have today  - of people in chains, barely fed because it also mentions that if a slave wants to continue service, allow him to do so. It also addresses when to allow them freedom.  I think it was more of a work for food and shelter kind of thing  It also says to treat them fairly.    The reason why God was so angry with Egypt is because they'd kept his people as slaves for way too long. 

As far as the shellfish thing goes, these, I think it can be abandoned because Jesus came to fulfill the law and we are no longer bound by some of these old laws, although Jesus said to keep the commandements (as in 10 commandments)  However, that being said, homosexuality is also addressed in the New Testament.   I think God knew the future and knew that the laws of sex with children, siblings, animals etc would not be an issue, but homosexuality would, therefore it would indeed need mention again in the New Testament.

 Yes, it is a huge testimony to the power of Biblical misreading. 

I personally blame a very powerful church for many of the astrocities committed through the centuries.

However, also throughout the centuries, there have been many Christians martyred for their beliefs.  Christianity is responsible for the advnet of hospitals, many charities, like World Vision, helping abolish slavery in the Us establishing the underground railroad,  saving many Jewish people from the holocaust through their organized illegal networks.    but nobody wants to talk about that.

 I personally  see a big difference in the fact that they were never included as opposed to them having been included and never thrown out. 

Again, faith does play a large role in my belief system.  I can intellectualize many things as well, but faith is a key ingredient here.  And I do have faith that the scriptures presented today in the KJV are the only ones we are supposed to have. 

I don't think you offended me in any way.  At least I don't remember being offended.  :)

And Christians are most vocal and activist in their misinterpretations than anything else. to whit- homosexuality. 

you said: "saving many Jewish people from the holocaust through their organized illegal networks" 

That might be because it is the exception rather than the norm. The advent of medical science and science in general was retarded by Christianity, not promoted by it. It has not historically been on the side of free inquiry, if the Galileo incident is any indication. 

I attended seminary school here in Texas where I live, Austin Graduate School of Theology.  I am working towards my ordination as a minister here.  No bible contains all the books that are available.  There is 3 and 4th kings which were taken out because there was a fear that the knowledge of these books would give the people the power to overthrow the Kings.  There is also the book of Macabees which is so huge it is contained in 3 or 4 volume sets.  You can find these and others by going to a seminary library in your community in order to read what is contained in them. 

Any Pastor, Priest, Father, Elder or Minister that does not do their research and read more than just one version of any text is doing themselves and their congregation a grave misjustice.  A lot of misunderstanding can be done as well as misinterpertation if you are not doing your homework and making sure you have a full complete understanding of the text before presenting it to your congregation.  Homosexuality is wrong.  It is a sin.  But, I had to set the record straight that no the KJV or any other version of the bible does not contain all the books.  For me to claim so would be a lie. 

Matthew Sheppard was murdered by self-proclaimed Christians, McKinney and Henderson --- 

Since being imprisoned, McKinney and Henderson have both attempted to justify their actions by claiming that they were dictated by the Bible. 

Also 

On October 3, 2003 Anti-Gay Preacher Fred Phelps' announced intentions to erect a "monument" to Matthew Shepard, a college student brutally murdered five years ago. The following is an article published October 3, 2003 by 365Gay.com's News Center.

(Casper, Wyoming) Anti-gay preacher Fred Phelps has announced intentions to erect a monument to Matthew Shepard the gay college student brutally murdered five years ago near Laramie.

But, the monument will be no memorial. Phelps says the monument would be 5 to 6 feet tall and made of marble or granite. It would bear a bronze plaque bearing the image of Shepard and have an inscription reading "MATTHEW SHEPARD, Entered Hell October 12, 1998, in Defiance of God's Warning: 'Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind; it is abomination.' Leviticus 18:22."

The monument would be erected in downtown Casper, Shepard's home town. Phelps has sent details of the monument to the city of Casper city council and there may be nothing the city can do to prevent it. Phelps said he intends to put up the monument in City Park, already the location of a controversial statue of the Ten Commandments 

  

Another testament to the Christians bigotry hatred and calculated biblical misreading. 

Can you imagine Jesus doing any like this? I can't. 

  

Both Nazis and comtemporary neo-nazis hug the bible as a pretext for their brutality. 

  

Paradoxically, one link between the old religious anti-Judaism and the new "racial" anti-Semitism was the Bible. Even secular, anti-Christian ideologues in Germany belonged to a culture steeped in the stories, language, and images of the Christian Bible, Old and New Testaments. Biblical allusions, sometimes distorted and watered down but nevertheless identifiable, formed part of the shared legacy to which Nazi propaganda appealed and part of the culture with which its specific stereotypes resonated. Attention to biblical influences points to something unique about the Nazi murder of the Jews. Of the groups targeted by the Nazis for persecution and destruction, only Jews could be linked so closely to the force of religious tradition. Only in the case of Jews could religious distinctions masquerade as racial ones, which they did in the Nuremberg Laws. In Nazi Germany, it was the religion of one's grandparents, not some putatively racial distinctions of blood or physical appearance, that determined who counted as a Jew. 

http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/bergen_033001.htm 

  

Aryan Nations 

WE BELIEVE that the true, literal children of the Bible are the twelve tribes of Israel, now scattered throughout the world and now known as the Anglo-Saxon, Germanic, Teutonic, Scandinavian, Celtic peoples of the earth. We know that the Bible is written to the family of Abraham, descending from Shem back to Adam. Yahweh blessed Abraham and promised that he would be the "father of nations." This same promise continued through the seedline of Abraham's son Isaac, and again to Isaac's son Jacob, the patriarch of the twelve tribes, whose name Yahweh changed to Israel (Meaning: "he will rule as God"). Genesis 32:28; Exodus 12:31; 16:4; 19:20; Revelations 21:12 

WE BELIEVE that there are literal children of Satan in the world today.  

http://www.uiowa.edu/~policult/politick/smithson/an.htm 

Literally and even figuratively speaking, here as a true scholar of the Bible and as one who has the New Testment in Greek, and as one who has had a college course in "Interpreting the Bible" (aka Biblical Hermeneutics), homosexuality as we know it in modern times is not even addressed in the New Testament's books at all.  

  

In fact, as it has been repeated over and over, the only kind of sexual activity that the Bible mentions in regard to the residents of Sodom was with prostitutes of the opposite sex. Or, figuratively speaking, they prostituted themselves with having illicit sexual activity with the opposite sex.  

  

The Greek word "arsenokoitai" translated as "homosexual" in some English translations of the Bible has never been found written in any Greek document or piece of literature outside of what the Apostle Paul wrote. Oh, people guess what it means; which is what the modern English translators literally did. Since the suffix (end of the word) is "ai," as a noun that means that the word is feminine plural. Yes, that it means more than one woman did it. And since "arseno" is Greek for "male" individuals and "koit" is Greek for "bed" (literally), one would think that it means "women who take a male to bed with them." The KJV has that word translated as "abusers of themselves with mankind,' and "abusers of mankind." Now what did they mean by those translations? No one knows today at all.  

  

In one of those places where Paul used "arsenokoitai," he used the Greek word "malakoi." Now the KJV translators translated that word as "effeminate." Well, in 16th and 17th Century England, "effeminate" was a figure of speech used for those who were living with royalty and did not have to work for a living and lived a soft/lazy, aka effeminate lifestyle" which had no connection with sexual activity. 

  

Well, Jesus used the word "malakoi" to describe the kind of "soft" or "fine as velvet" clothing worn by those who lived in kings' palaces.  

  

  

Love is Love,Hate is Hate.Pick one and you also will be judged.Live your life as best as you can,life is to short and anyway , it's not up to you. 

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