Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Most quotes from the Old Testament are moot , since unless  you are Jewish, you are not under Judaic Law. 

Leviticus include rules about ritual cleanliness - what in God's name does that have to do with me? 

But let's see what the text actually says - even in the traditional translations--- 

2 Timothy 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,  

Isaiah 3:9 The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide [it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.  

Jude 1:7  

Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.  

But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly 

Ezekiel 16:50   

16:15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.  

I left out Romans because that passage, as I have explained over and over again Greek scholars tell us is  about heterosexuals acting like homosexuals. 

Apart from Leviticus and Romans,  

There's not a single CLEAR mention of homosexuality in the lot. Now what is clear is that you INTERPRET the sin of Sodom to be homosexuality but that' is not clearly understood among bible scholars. 

Since for reasons I have mentioned about Leviticus and Romans are 'special' cases, the Bible does not CLEARLY state anything about homosexuality.  The only thing that's clear is how you WANT to interpret it. 

Most quotes from the Old Testament are moot , since unless  you are Jewish, you are not under Judaic Law. 

Leviticus include rules about ritual cleanliness - what in God's name does that have to do with me? 

But let's see what the text actually says - even in the traditional translations--- 

2 Timothy 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,  

Isaiah 3:9 The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide [it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.  

Jude 1:7  

Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.  

But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly 

Ezekiel 16:50   

16:15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.  

I left out Romans because that passage, as I have explained over and over again Greek scholars tell us is  about heterosexuals acting like homosexuals. 

Apart from Leviticus and Romans,  

There's not a single CLEAR mention of homosexuality in the lot. Now what is clear is that you INTERPRET the sin of Sodom to be homosexuality but that' is not clearly understood among bible scholars. 

Since for reasons I have mentioned about Leviticus and Romans are 'special' cases, the Bible does not CLEARLY state anything about homosexuality.  The only thing that's clear is how you WANT to interpret it. 

And Christians are most vocal and activist in their misinterpretations than anything else. to whit- homosexuality. 

you said: "saving many Jewish people from the holocaust through their organized illegal networks" 

That might be because it is the exception rather than the norm. The advent of medical science and science in general was retarded by Christianity, not promoted by it. It has not historically been on the side of free inquiry, if the Galileo incident is any indication. 

Matthew Sheppard was murdered by self-proclaimed Christians, McKinney and Henderson --- 

Since being imprisoned, McKinney and Henderson have both attempted to justify their actions by claiming that they were dictated by the Bible. 

Also 

On October 3, 2003 Anti-Gay Preacher Fred Phelps' announced intentions to erect a "monument" to Matthew Shepard, a college student brutally murdered five years ago. The following is an article published October 3, 2003 by 365Gay.com's News Center.

(Casper, Wyoming) Anti-gay preacher Fred Phelps has announced intentions to erect a monument to Matthew Shepard the gay college student brutally murdered five years ago near Laramie.

But, the monument will be no memorial. Phelps says the monument would be 5 to 6 feet tall and made of marble or granite. It would bear a bronze plaque bearing the image of Shepard and have an inscription reading "MATTHEW SHEPARD, Entered Hell October 12, 1998, in Defiance of God's Warning: 'Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind; it is abomination.' Leviticus 18:22."

The monument would be erected in downtown Casper, Shepard's home town. Phelps has sent details of the monument to the city of Casper city council and there may be nothing the city can do to prevent it. Phelps said he intends to put up the monument in City Park, already the location of a controversial statue of the Ten Commandments 

Another testament to the Christians bigotry hatred and calculated biblical misreading. 

Can you imagine Jesus doing any like this? I can't. 

Both Nazis and comtemporary neo-nazis hug the bible as a pretext for their brutality. 

Paradoxically, one link between the old religious anti-Judaism and the new "racial" anti-Semitism was the Bible. Even secular, anti-Christian ideologues in Germany belonged to a culture steeped in the stories, language, and images of the Christian Bible, Old and New Testaments. Biblical allusions, sometimes distorted and watered down but nevertheless identifiable, formed part of the shared legacy to which Nazi propaganda appealed and part of the culture with which its specific stereotypes resonated. Attention to biblical influences points to something unique about the Nazi murder of the Jews. Of the groups targeted by the Nazis for persecution and destruction, only Jews could be linked so closely to the force of religious tradition. Only in the case of Jews could religious distinctions masquerade as racial ones, which they did in the Nuremberg Laws. In Nazi Germany, it was the religion of one's grandparents, not some putatively racial distinctions of blood or physical appearance, that determined who counted as a Jew. 

http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/bergen_033001.htm 

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WE BELIEVE that the true, literal children of the Bible are the twelve tribes of Israel, now scattered throughout the world and now known as the Anglo-Saxon, Germanic, Teutonic, Scandinavian, Celtic peoples of the earth. We know that the Bible is written to the family of Abraham, descending from Shem back to Adam. Yahweh blessed Abraham and promised that he would be the "father of nations." This same promise continued through the seedline of Abraham's son Isaac, and again to Isaac's son Jacob, the patriarch of the twelve tribes, whose name Yahweh changed to Israel (Meaning: "he will rule as God"). Genesis 32:28; Exodus 12:31; 16:4; 19:20; Revelations 21:12 

WE BELIEVE that there are literal children of Satan in the world today.  

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