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(Original Air Date: 10/19/05) Sexual orientation used to be something kept hidden from family and co-workers, but now more and more people are "coming out" and finding acceptance. Anjela says her mother and sister don't support her sexual orientation, and feel she can't be Christian and gay at the same time. Can they reconcile this touchy issue? Then, two men debate whether a person can go from gay to straight, and parents of a 4-year-old boy fear their son's desire to play with dolls and wear heels means he'll grow up to be gay. Are they overreacting to his wishes to be a princess instead of a prince? Talk about gender and gay issues here.


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June 2, 2006, 11:29 am PDT

For those interested..........

The Bible does talk about homosexuality, no, it does not mention the word "homosexual" but for those who are reading the Bible sincerity and wants to know answers, the answers are clearly in the NT........I am not going to get in a debate here but I will be honest and say that I do believe homosexuality is a against the teachings of God but God loves ALL people regardless of how they live their lives, He knows our hearts and out intentions and He knows the sincerity of our hearts and remember, we are to work out our salvation which means it is between us and God and as Christians we are to love others and not to turn away otehes from our lives.......I do have a gay friend and we have been friends for many years and we will continue to be friends and he is welcome in my home as I would never turn him away, I treat him as I treat any one else, yes, he knows that I think this is wrong but I have never judged him for it, I tell him that it is between him and God and to search the scriptures for himself and seek God's approval, no one elses. I feel the same way, about others, friends who smoke and drink know not to ask me to go out with them, they know I am against their life style even though they are welcome in my home.................Jesus has taught us to love all people, it doesn't mean that we agree with everyhting that others do, big difference!..................
 
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June 2, 2006, 11:22 pm PDT

well said:)

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The Bible does talk about homosexuality, no, it does not mention the word "homosexual" but for those who are reading the Bible sincerity and wants to know answers, the answers are clearly in the NT........I am not going to get in a debate here but I will be honest and say that I do believe homosexuality is a against the teachings of God but God loves ALL people regardless of how they live their lives, He knows our hearts and out intentions and He knows the sincerity of our hearts and remember, we are to work out our salvation which means it is between us and God and as Christians we are to love others and not to turn away otehes from our lives.......I do have a gay friend and we have been friends for many years and we will continue to be friends and he is welcome in my home as I would never turn him away, I treat him as I treat any one else, yes, he knows that I think this is wrong but I have never judged him for it, I tell him that it is between him and God and to search the scriptures for himself and seek God's approval, no one elses. I feel the same way, about others, friends who smoke and drink know not to ask me to go out with them, they know I am against their life style even though they are welcome in my home.................Jesus has taught us to love all people, it doesn't mean that we agree with everyhting that others do, big difference!..................

This is what I love to hear.  You speak the truth in love and what have you?  There is not one person so far that they cannot be reached with the gospal of Jesus Christ.  We are called to work out our salvation.  We are called to make right choices in life.  My pastor says quite often that God is always described as one who enables and empowers.  He never said that life would be fair and He never said that life would be easy.    

   

Love will always win anybody out of hell.  I wish that all people in the church were to have this view right here.  The message of the bible is always to come as you are.  I came to God as one who is gay but then God who had knit me together in my mother's womb enabled me to embrace who He created me to be.    

 
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June 3, 2006, 12:13 am PDT

freedom to choose:)

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I have a loved one who lived in the closet.  In 1986, he we found dead in his home.  He suffered alone with AIDS, at the time believed to be the wrath of god against homosexuals. 

  

He suffered alone because he was ashamed of admitting he was homosexual because so called christians had led him to believe he was an abhorration. 

  

The abbhoration is using Christ, who gave us 2, TWO commandments...love God with your all you've got...and your neighbor as yourself... 

  

And allow our brother to suffer and die alone. 

  

The wrath of god?  So why then...are little babies in 3rd world countries on god's poo list now? 

  

Hm. 

  

Marie 

God did not create robots but instead He created people that would have the freedom to choose to worship Him or not.   

   

Adam and Eve had one stinken rule and they blew it!   

   

We all have the freedom to make right choices and God is not going to force us to make that choice but He has given us guidence through His word.  Sometimes we still don't get it.   

   

Love God with all your heart and love your neighbour as yourself.   

   

Ignorance feeds into fear and the reason why a lot of Christian's have a hard time with this issue is because they realy don't know how to respond to those they truly love.   

    

Jesus loved the woman caught in adultry but he didn't approve of her choices that she had made in her life.  His response to her was, "go and sin no more," that is just as equaly important to note as the fact that He never threw the stone.     

   

Righteousness = right choice(ness)   

We at times don't make the right choice and that's unfortunate.    

   

This only proves how much we need a savior.   

   

Bono from U2 once said in an interview with the Rolling Stone magazine,  "I hesitate to tell people that I am a Christian because my life wouldn't be a good representation of what Christianity is all about," That wasn't word for word but that is essentialy what his message was.   

   

We simply shouldn't look to people who are prone to failure and judge God by the works of mere man.     

   

We aught to look at His creation throughout this universe, things seen and things unseen and know how great our God truly is.   

 
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June 3, 2006, 2:50 am PDT

loved and accepted...

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That's a funny story.  It does say a lot about parents though.  That the ones who are so afraid of their kids being gay, may actually have gay kids.  Still, I don't see how a parent could love their child any less if they were gay.  For those who think being gay is a sin, I think a parent who doesn't accept their child who is gay is a bigger sin. 

I laughed when I heard the story myself.  

   

I do question if some people need other people's approval of their lifestylies in order to be loved.  

   

Jesus loved the woman who was caught in adultry but he didn't approve of her lifestyle.  He said, "Go and sin no more," and you know, he could have thrown the stone but He didn't at the same time though, you see He didn't approve of her lifestyle.  

   

One does not have to approve of other people's lifestyles to love them.  

   

It's not our place to judge people.  

   

This world would be a better place if we could all just simply love each other inspite of our differences, no matter what the difference is...a difference of race, a difference of religion, a difference of sexual orientation, a difference in oppinions of whether or not homosexuality is moraly right or wrong.    

   

Should we be bitter against a person who believes in the sanctity of life if we believe in choice?  

   

Should we judge those who choose to abort their babies?  

   

Should we be bitter against one who believes in the sanctity of marriage if we believe in re-defining marriage?  

   

Should we judge the person who believes in re-defining marriage when we believe in the sanctity of marriage?  

   

One believes Jesus to be the Son of God, the creator of all things and one believes Him to be a mere human profit yet another believes Him to be Micheal the arch angel and some believe the ridiculous Da Vinci Code....I personaly can't see why a small group of people would get together and say, "let's create this concpiracy and then die horable deaths to cover it up,"  I don't know about you but that doesn't quite make sense to me.  

   

My point is...  

There is absolute truth.  There has to be a right and a wrong.    

Can we simply just love each other regardless.  

   

I am one of the most oppinionated persons one could ever meet but I will never judge people for believing differently than me.   I believe strongly in what I do, that doesn't mean that I should place a condition on other people to believe what I do if they want me to love them nor should I expect that from other people.  

   

Peace<><  

 

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June 3, 2006, 7:25 am PDT

good for you

What I want to know from someone is how you think this is a choice?  It isn't like choosing to become pregnant or which car to buy, it is a gene you are born with. Now as for the couple that will be on the show with their 4 year old, who likes to play with dolls. Does the mom stay home all day with the kid? I have a 4 year old as well, we have lived with my mom since he was born as he likes to wear all of my shoes, but he also plays with his "boy toys," cars, trucks, etc.  If that mother does stay home then he thinks that it is normal to wear heels, because he sees mommy doing it.  IT IS A PHASE!!!!!
 
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June 3, 2006, 8:24 am PDT

06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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God did not create robots but instead He created people that would have the freedom to choose to worship Him or not.   

   

Adam and Eve had one stinken rule and they blew it!   

   

We all have the freedom to make right choices and God is not going to force us to make that choice but He has given us guidence through His word.  Sometimes we still don't get it.   

   

Love God with all your heart and love your neighbour as yourself.   

   

Ignorance feeds into fear and the reason why a lot of Christian's have a hard time with this issue is because they realy don't know how to respond to those they truly love.   

    

Jesus loved the woman caught in adultry but he didn't approve of her choices that she had made in her life.  His response to her was, "go and sin no more," that is just as equaly important to note as the fact that He never threw the stone.     

   

Righteousness = right choice(ness)   

We at times don't make the right choice and that's unfortunate.    

   

This only proves how much we need a savior.   

   

Bono from U2 once said in an interview with the Rolling Stone magazine,  "I hesitate to tell people that I am a Christian because my life wouldn't be a good representation of what Christianity is all about," That wasn't word for word but that is essentialy what his message was.   

   

We simply shouldn't look to people who are prone to failure and judge God by the works of mere man.     

   

We aught to look at His creation throughout this universe, things seen and things unseen and know how great our God truly is.   

Hi Eden... 

  

Thanks for responding to my post. 

  

I don't think one's state of being can be a sin.  I think sexual orientation is a "state of being".  I cannot sin by just being a heterosexual woman.  My sin is in my willful transgression. 

  

Therein lies the question. 

  

What is my willful transgression??? 

  

The Bible says that a man that divorces his wife forces her to be an adulterer.  If my husband divorces me, I am then, an adulterer if I am in another relationship other than within the marital promises of my origninal marriage.  Is that right?  Are all of these women who are now in loving relationships choosing wrongly and sinning because they are divorced and in loving relationships in a new marriage?  My heart says no way.  Some people think so. 

  

So...the Bible is very clear on this...this woman is now an adulterer. 

  

The Bible is not so clear on homosexuality...and yet...everyone get their panties in a bunch over this issue.  The homosexuals orientation is about as controllable as my heterosexual orientation.  Can someone send me to a counselor and talk therapy me out of my heterosexuality?  Seems sort of silly.  My sexuality is what it is. 

  

Our orientation is a sin only when we act upon it in wrecklessness...promiscuity...not truly valuing our sexual partners. 

  

I read in another post that you are no longer gay...that by god's grace, you are healed.  I'm going to be really bold here...and offer you something for consideration... 

  

I think you are still gay...you are just abstaining in thought and deed.  Heteros can do this too by God's Grace...but they are still hetero.  They did not become asexual.  I have encouraged abstinence in my kids...their abstaining from sexual activity doesn't make them "healed" from their heterosexuality...their sacrifice now by remaining sexuality inactive is how they serve their Lord, Jesus.  I think that's what you are doing, too.  But I think you are still gay...as my kids are still straight... 

  

Hugs...by and large I honor all you've posted here...but I don't think god healed you of your homosexuality. 

  

Marie 

 

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June 3, 2006, 9:16 am PDT

06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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"Maybe we naturally evolved this way to control population."

The only selective pressure in the past and currently (except for sperm donation or using a surrogate mother) is that gay people would be being "bred out" and the number of gay people would not be increasing.

I personally, from what I've read and understand, is that this is TECHNICALLY an "anomaly" in that it's not exactly what the human body and brain evolved to do. It doesn't mean it harms anyone, it doesn't mean it hurts anyone and it doesn't mean it's a mental disorder or that something needs to be fixed.  Since homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone there is no problem with it. That, for what ever reason, a portion of our population is born homosexual.

The only reason I see that the number of gay people appears to be increasing, is that it isn't at all. Is that, there were  many gay people all along, and now in this day and age it's becoming more acceptable to be gay, that people feel free to live life as they wish...including having the sex partners and life partner they desire. This is good. I cannot imagine the pain of going though your entire life being ashamed and hiding something that heterosexuals take for granted everyday. The ability to be with the one you love publicly with out fear of judgment and anger and sometimes bodily harm.

So as far as natual selection is concerned, the idea that homosexuals evolved into being doesn't make sense, it would actually work the opposite way. It's more likely a benign "anomaly" (for lack of a better term) that doesn't effect anyone and isn't "fixable"....

It's quite possible that there is something beyong natural selection that I'm not thinking of. That is why I wrote this post. But my understanding of evolution, which is damn good for someone who has studied on their own, doesn't agree with that statement.

However...I'm talking purely from a scientific stand point.

Personally. I myself am bisexual and I am talking about myself here too, so don't get all fussy at me when I say 'anomaly'....I'm using it in the truest sense of the word in a clinical sense.

I have to disagree with you here; respectfully, no one is born homosexual. I am sorry if this offends you (or anyone else) but that is simply not true. And evolution is totally out of the question! honestly! human beings did not evolve from apes and people did not evolve to become homosexuals. This isn't even an 'anomoly'! and it is fixable, it is fixable because being a homosexual means that you are making a [b]choice[/b] to be with a same-sex partner.  

  

This can change; however, it isn't if the person chooses not too. And being 'Born gay' is a stupid excuse to justify something to yourself. I however, don't care who you have [i]the-mairried-thing-with[/i]. That is your choice, but no one is born to be a homosexual. God created Man and women to populate the earth, which obviously means that the man needs to get with the woman so that they can have children! (after they are married of course) 

  

P.S. I don't care if you flame me -- that is my opinion and it shall stand!  

 
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June 3, 2006, 9:35 am PDT

GETTING_IT_STRAIGHT

As a Gay American I tend to cringe when this subject is brought up for public debate because inevitably it bring the worst out in people, ironically it is usually the very people who would like to think they are the role models for what a good Christian should be.  My views on the subject are both political and religious.   

 

   

  

 

   

From a religious viewpoint, if homosexuality is so wrong, should there not be 11 commandments to follow? They are called commandments because they are God’s direct orders for living a Christian life. Do you dare to think that God might have created only Ten Commandments in error - if you do, will you tell him. Do you truly think that God does not have the power to change whatever it is he sees fit - if you do, will you tell him.  Is it that you think that when God created me, and millions of others like me, he was weaker than the devil you suspect is now to blame – if you do, will you tell him. If this is your idea of faith, please do not try to make a believer of me; I have a more dedicated faith than that.    

 

   

  

 

   

Last week during a military funeral there were protesters claiming that the blood of the fallen soldiers was on the hands of the homosexuals of the world. The protest was so egregious that even President Bush wrote into law that from that day forward it would be illegal to demonstrate at a military funeral. In front of the mother, father, sister or brother laying their brave son or daughter to rest, this is your show of Christianity? On this symbolic day for a family whose child’s Father was calling him or her home, some Christians felt the need to mock the dead, by trivializing how they were bravely killed. I realize many did not, but if you felt this behavior was remotely acceptable or Christian, please do not try to lead me to your God, I have a greater God by my side.    

 

   

  

 

   

Politically I think to myself how interesting it is that in the midst of world disasters, famine, WAR, the threat of nuclear and biochemical warfare, hundreds of thousands of children brought into the world and then left unwanted, Social Security cuts, Medicare reductions, prescription costs for the elderly, unemployment and the list goes on and on, that one of the single most talked about platform promises is the changing of the Constitution to read that marriage is between a man and a woman. A recent CNN poll showed that the top three issues in politics, in order, are the war, gas prices and gay marriage? Is that it? Of all the things that are wrong and need immediate attention, could whom I marry truly be the third most important thing in your life? It is not even the first most important thing in my own life. Could the fact that I have been with the same person for nearly fourteen years be what we should be worrying about? If so, please do not try to lead me to your political party; I have a greater social conscience than that.    

 

   

  

 

   

I don’t know why God created me like he did, I spent many years wishing he hadn’t but I cannot change who he has chosen me to be. I cannot understand why people who do not even know me persecute me. I do not understand why there are others who feel superior to me, have more rights than I, or even why there are people who feel the world would be a better place without “my kind”. I suspect throughout history, as the Bible clearly shows, all of God’s chosen ones have felt this way at one time or another, but I find comfort in knowing that I am among the truly blessed.     

 
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June 3, 2006, 10:10 am PDT

06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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 BEING GAY IS A CHOICE! IT IS WRONG AND A SIN!!! GOD CREATED MAN AND WOMEN TO SPEND LIFE TOGETHER. YOU ARE NOT BORN THIS WAY!!! I PRAY FOR ALL WHO HAVE CHOSEN THIS WAY OF LIFE TO FIND THE LORD AND SEEK HIS WILL AND TURN FROM THEIR SIN. YOU CAN NOT LIVE THIS WAY AND SAY YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN. YOU CAN NOT LIVE IN SIN AND DO GOD'S WILL!!!! SATAN IS LIEING TO YOU!!!!
 It's a choice, huh?  You know what I have learned?  The ones who speak the loudest about the so-called "sin" of homosexuality are the ones who have had, or currently have homosexual feelings, and are afraid of what other people will think, and over compensate by bashing who they really are.  I seriously doubt that the people who were born wanting to be close to people of their own sex, and not the opposite need YOUR prayers, or anyone else's for that matter.  It is not a "sin" to love and be with someone.  Can you not accept the happiness of those around you?  Can you not judge others because you disagree about their lifestyle?  I don't see how someone can be so set in a view, judging others, because they read a few words from some book.  Why can we not all get along, and leave religion and "god" out of these things?  Why can people not just go through life, living it the way they want, when they are not hurting anyone?  Just a thought.
 
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June 3, 2006, 10:23 am PDT

06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

  Women who want to be a man or act like a man confirms the fact that God made only man and woman.  And if we believe the Bible, we see the example in Romans chapter 1 - that homosexual sex is wrong. Any sex outside of marriage is wrong.  How can a person be a Christian and go against Christian moral principles.  How can we as a society be so fragmented in moral believes.  How couild children be protected - when it is God's intent for a man and a woman to raise the child. It is hypocrital for one to say they are a Christian and practice this kind of illicit sex.  Whether gay, straight or whatever -- If people want to practice their sexual preferences -- why does all of society have to accept it and or agree with it.    

   It is certainly shameful how far America has fallen! We are so preoccupied with sex in commercials, in tv and theatre entertainment. It's no wonder our children are getting caught up in homosexual experiences.  "OKAY YOU'RE GAY" we don;t like it and dont have to agree with it. nor do we accept this sinful practice.  If our legislators dont get some backbone and stand up for Godliness -- I fear for the future of our children.  

 
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