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(Original Air Date: 10/19/05) Sexual orientation used to be something kept hidden from family and co-workers, but now more and more people are "coming out" and finding acceptance. Anjela says her mother and sister don't support her sexual orientation, and feel she can't be Christian and gay at the same time. Can they reconcile this touchy issue? Then, two men debate whether a person can go from gay to straight, and parents of a 4-year-old boy fear their son's desire to play with dolls and wear heels means he'll grow up to be gay. Are they overreacting to his wishes to be a princess instead of a prince? Talk about gender and gay issues here.


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June 5, 2006, 6:09 am PDT

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I was listening to a talk show a few years ago and they stated that homosexuality was a mental disorder just like being bi-polar.  Does anyone have any thoughts about this?  I don't know very much about homosexuality.  Although, I do know some gay people whom I like very much and I have never had the courage to question them about this.  I don't understand it really.  I would like to understand it more though.

Some call homosexuality an inborn natural thing while other's will say that homosexuality is the result of Gender Identity Disorder.   

   

And this is what the debate is all about:)   

   

One thing I do know from personal experience is that I never chose to be attracted to the same-sex and this is the problem because I am also a Christian.  I have come to believe that healing from homosexuality is possable because, to a degree this is what I have experienced.   

   

I don't believe that just because I may have natural tendency's toward's the same-sex that I should then embrace this as being healthy.  As a Christian I believe that I have a choice with my behavior but I don't always have a choice in the battles that I face in life.  I do believe that God's grace is tayler made and precision cut for my needs in any of my circumstances.   

   

Is homosexuality a mental disorder?  Let's be careful with that one:)   

   

I believe that there are root causes to homosexuality and it shows the need for some deep inner healing but I don't believe that taking a pill is the answer to solving this issue.   

   

There are genetic factors to alcoholism.  My Grandfather's an alcoholic, my father's an alcoholic and my twin brother is an alcoholic and I am not going to drink to find out if I too am an alcoholic but given the circumstances I have chosen not to drink.  I enjoy my sobriety very much so but there exists in my case a genetic pre-disposition towards addiction/alcoholism.     

   

In light of this, I believe that there could be some genetic factors involved in the make-up of how I have perceived my environment and how I responded to the environment that I grew up in, which was filled with much abuse.     

   

All the scientific research studies that have been done, have never been done to discredit environmental factors and not enough research realy shows that genetic's play a larg role in one's sexual orientation.  No one can truthfuly say that homosexuality is inborn and no one can truthfuly say that there is absolutly no genetic factors involved.  And no one can say that being gay is a choice.  Behavior is always a choice which is different from the tendency towards same-sex attraction.   This to say the least makes this issue quite complex.   

   

I suggest that people check out Focus On The Family and some of their material if one truly wants to hear more about a redemptive way of reaching out to those who struggle homosexualy and for those who wish to learn a redemptive Christian response to the issue.    

   

There you have it.   

God Bless you,   

   

 
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June 5, 2006, 8:03 am PDT

What if?

What if homosexuality /heterosecxuality is a choice?  

  

What if you were envirormentally conditioned to accept that living a gay lifestyle was the *right* way to be?  

I'm serious - if that hypothesis were a reality........."gay is the way"?  

  

How easy would it be for you to live as a homosexual........being it's a choice?  

  

Hmmmm.?  I for one think that it would be extremely difficult to choose my sexual orientation based on societies expectations?  

  

I think we'd all benefit in for a moment trying to walk in anothers shoes........  

  

Personally I believe that I am extemely fortunate being born hetero........no choice, it's my natural instinctive nature.  For I feel it is a very heavy burden being born gay...........especiallly among the self righteous that say "oh just *choose* differently.  You can *choose* and pray your way out of being gay.  

  

I don't think so....  

  

Just my honest opinion.  

  

  

 
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June 5, 2006, 8:17 am PDT

You can hate the message but don't hate the messengers

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This was interesting to read...   

   

I still want to find out what "I'm going to flame you," means:)   

   

So here we have a discussion on whether or not bisexuality is a choice.     

   

"So, how do you know I'm lieing...I want to know your evidence?"   

   

It's interesting that all of us know within the core of our beings that whomever we become attracted to is realy not in our control.  One say's bisexuality is a choice and another says it is not and to place a little more grounding in her argument she talks openly and freely about her emotional feelings and responses to both men and women.  I believe she is talking from her heart and speaking what is true about her feelings and emotions.   

   

Of course I am responding to ALL people here with this one because she brings up an interesting point.   

   

I have never said that being hetero..homo..or bi..is a choice....and I have always stated that we do have a choice with behavior, but who am I to dictate one's behavior?  I will share my religious beliefs and if a way is opened for me to do so, I will always jump on the chance to speak from my own personal experiences.  Who can argue with me on that?   

   

One speaks of the healing work of God in their lives and people say that can't be?   

   

Can anyone dispute that?  Can anyone say...they are lieing?  Where is the proof?   

   

I know of God's healing work in my life and I also know that I have journied from absolutly no attraction to men whatsoever to attraction towards men.  It wasn't about the question..am I or am I not...I was never bicurious.  But people like me who claim that healing is possable and have experienced it to a degree are not supposed to exist. But they do exist and because healing is possable one can only question how much realy is there to do with a genetic factor?   

   

   

I 'm not Gay, Homosexual or Bi-sexual.  I'm straight, that's if you believe there is such a thing.  I believe all of the Bible, not part of the Bible.  I pray for people that believe they were born that way and take the word of talk show hosts as the Gospel, because of the world they choose to live in.  I love everyone, hate no one.  No one has the right to harm anyone for their lifestyle.  One thing I've learned over my 57 years of living is that "God is the only one that can change a person."  But until I see scientific proof that God isn't a perfect God and doesn't make mistakes, "There is no such thing as a born Gay, Homosexual or Bi-sexual."  What's sad is that when you won't accept the fact that a person is born this way, you get lashed out at.  Gay is an evil spirit, just like adultery, gambling, incest and all the things that the Bible tell you about.  When I hear someone trying to mold a 7 or 8 year old into helping them to believe they are Gay, this is sick.  You barely know what you want as a teenager, let alone as an elementary child.  These are sick times we're living in and because Hollywood can feed our children anything they want and not even allow the word JESUS to be used on TV, our problems are just beginning.  If these acts were of God, two men or two women would be able to have their own babies and not need someone to have them for them, while the other adopt it.  Some things are just common sense and others are just bold.  I have no doubt that many that believe they are this way, "There pain and the way the feel are real to them."  I pray for peace for them and not even know them.  Children learn from their parents and you can't tell me that the same sex parents has no effects on these children lives.  I watched the cruise with Rosie O'Donnel and the little black boy being raised by White Gays and how he was getting his nails painted and their statement was, "We believe he has a little drag queen in him."  Duh?  He likes getting his nails painted because that's what men do in your world.  My God Bless and Keep You All and one day let those that has the money and the podiums to help but, choose instead to buy into a lie to keep the money coming in, God Have Mercy On You All. 
 
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June 5, 2006, 8:23 am PDT

Straight?

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What is important to agree on I do.  

   

"For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.  For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world but to save the world..."  Jn 3:16,17  

   

   

So, if what you say is true, then there would be no more births.  God's divine order doesn't allow two men or two women to produce childred.  So in your world, God's world should have ended long ago, because there would be no reproductions, right?
 

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June 5, 2006, 8:48 am PDT

06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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I 'm not Gay, Homosexual or Bi-sexual.  I'm straight, that's if you believe there is such a thing.  I believe all of the Bible, not part of the Bible.  I pray for people that believe they were born that way and take the word of talk show hosts as the Gospel, because of the world they choose to live in.  I love everyone, hate no one.  No one has the right to harm anyone for their lifestyle.  One thing I've learned over my 57 years of living is that "God is the only one that can change a person."  But until I see scientific proof that God isn't a perfect God and doesn't make mistakes, "There is no such thing as a born Gay, Homosexual or Bi-sexual."  What's sad is that when you won't accept the fact that a person is born this way, you get lashed out at.  Gay is an evil spirit, just like adultery, gambling, incest and all the things that the Bible tell you about.  When I hear someone trying to mold a 7 or 8 year old into helping them to believe they are Gay, this is sick.  You barely know what you want as a teenager, let alone as an elementary child.  These are sick times we're living in and because Hollywood can feed our children anything they want and not even allow the word JESUS to be used on TV, our problems are just beginning.  If these acts were of God, two men or two women would be able to have their own babies and not need someone to have them for them, while the other adopt it.  Some things are just common sense and others are just bold.  I have no doubt that many that believe they are this way, "There pain and the way the feel are real to them."  I pray for peace for them and not even know them.  Children learn from their parents and you can't tell me that the same sex parents has no effects on these children lives.  I watched the cruise with Rosie O'Donnel and the little black boy being raised by White Gays and how he was getting his nails painted and their statement was, "We believe he has a little drag queen in him."  Duh?  He likes getting his nails painted because that's what men do in your world.  My God Bless and Keep You All and one day let those that has the money and the podiums to help but, choose instead to buy into a lie to keep the money coming in, God Have Mercy On You All. 
" When I hear someone trying to mold a 7 or 8 year old into helping them to believe they are Gay, this is sick. "

I always here people say wacko things like this as if it's a common event. Just WHO is doing this that you are hearing about it? I don't think anyone would do that. Most people let these things blossom out for themselves.
 
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June 5, 2006, 9:03 am PDT

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I think we can all come to the conclusion that we are never going to agree on the subject of homosexuality. It’s a sin or it’s not a sin, biological or not biological, environmental not environmental. This doesn’t surprise me as the major opponent of homosexuality, known as “Christianity”, cannot seem to make up it’s own mind collectively on their actual interpretation of the only book we are to follow – the Bible. Hence the creation of Baptists, Protestants, Catholics, Latter Day Saints, Episcopalians, on and on; each of whom has taken the very same text and defined it to suit their own needs and beliefs, yet when others do the very same thing they are labeled sinners and atheists. The only thing that each of these groups, in all of their piety, seem to come to common ground on is – DEATH TO HOMOSEXUALLITY.

   

 

 

  

  

It is said that God does not weigh sin, that each sin we commit is as evenly weighted as any other. I respect this theory and in fact, knowing that I am not perfect, appreciate it and find comfort in the knowledge. As a lesbian my concern is not with my own judgment day, since if the very worst thing I have done in my life is love another human being faithfully, respectfully,  with honor, and in the presense of God, I assure you I will stand tall and proud to accept my “punishment”.

   

 

 

  

  

The piece I still ponder over is the idea that homosexuals seem to be the only sect of "sinners" punished for the supposed sin. For example, homosexuality is a sin (if you so believe) and therefore you cannot be married, marriage is an institution of the church (religious institution) and it must be written into the Constitution (laws to serve all people regardless of religion) as being between a man and a woman. How many of you are on your second, third or fourth marriage - isn’t divorce a sin – if God doesn’t weigh sin how come you can still remarry and I can’t even get married? How about Usury? How many of you own your car, house, boat and credit cards outright? Isn’t being part of a sin still a sin regardless? How come none of your rights are denied because of your sinful ways? The thought becomes even more puzzling when you bring in actual crime, such as Child Molestation (before anyone gets on a high horse, statistically more children are molested by a male figure of a heterosexual home than any other demographic) how come they can get married? Rapists and murderers can marry anyone they choose.   

   

  

Interestingly enough in an effort to show your devout Christianity, it would appear you do nothing but bring yourself further from the teachings of God. These acts of oppression towards those who sin, just as you sin, would seem to portray your proclaimed power over God, instead of the reverse. God sees all sin as sin and is willing to forgive, you see sin as sin and are willing to persecute.

    

 

 

  

 

  

No, I’m not worried about my judgment day, but in the effort to become a better Christian, I will keep praying for yours.

  

 

 

  

 

  

 

  

 

 

  

 

  

  

 
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June 5, 2006, 9:09 am PDT

Ummmm...

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I do believe that you are right with a few things of what you mentioned including the misconception of the Pentacle.  The design is different in the church of satan than it is with Pagan circles, from my understanding...Pentacle diagram represents the circle of life and more.   

   

I have friends at one time who were into witchcraft.  One friend in particular who is a Pagan Priest.  I used to work with him which was how we got connected as friends.  The Christian...who struggles with unwanted homosexuality who has hung out with gay witches...white supremist red-necks who are into death metal...had worked at a gay bar on fetish nights...worked as a first aid attendant for a few years at Rave Dance Parties...and you know, when I share my testimony to people they always get the reader's digest version because I just don't have enough time in a day to share with people all of what God has done in my life.  I don't judge people and I can have a pretty decent conversation with just about anybody and still maintain my belief's and my core values in life.     

   

I don't like death metal, I am a Southern Gospal Bluegrass kind a country gal lost in the city:)   

   

My suggestion to you that you and anyone else who is interested in studying further about the Da Vinci Code to check out this web site...   

   

www. DiscussDaVinci.com   

   

The ironic thing about lies is that one take a little truth and then one twists and perverts truth.   

In the end what have you but partial truth, which isn't truth at all.   

   

There is another book out there called Breaking The Da Vinci Code by Josh McDowell, I believe he is the author of this of this book.     

   

Think about this for one moment...Does this make sense?   

   

A group of people get together and say, "here, let's create this conspirousy theory, one can die on a cross, another can actualy die upside down on the cross and one get boiled alive in oil.  Let's all create this conspiriousy and then actualy die horrible deaths...all for what we know to be a lie,"   

   

Yes, I do believe that at times, more often then not, we can't choose our battles in life.  I never said that being gay was a choice because believe you me, if I had a choice that would make my walk of faith just a little easier to walk...you know what I mean?  There are some choices that we do have and behavior is one thing we can control.   

   

I suppose people will debate about pro-gay theology just as much as they debate on who Jesus is and who he claimed to be.     

   

Peace to you my friend, and I hope that you will check out that web site...Disscuss Da Vinci. com   

   

   

...The Da Vinci Code is a FICTIONAL story.  While there are actual historical and geographical truths/non fictions in it, the book is written as FICTION. 

  

Imo, for anyone to take the time and effort to write a book "breaking"(or debunking) a FICTIONAL story,  is plain silly.  May as well spend your time "breaking" (or debunking) the Wizard of Oz.  Makes just about as much sense. 

  

Just my 2 cents.   

 
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June 5, 2006, 10:05 am PDT

06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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What the heck is it that you don't - won't - GET??! It HAS been proved, time and again, that our sexual identity IS formed in the earliest stages of our brain developement. You may stomp your feet and cover your ears and shout "La-la-la-la-la!!" all you WANT to - it doesn't take away the fact! Hahaha - I don't get why you can't accept that and move forward, just one teeny, tiny little step! What is your major malfunction, soldier?? You speak about it yourself, when you acknowledge that "post mortem", autopsies show that a part of the brain has "failed to develop" in homosexual persons - your own words!! So using your VERY OWN WORDS, you acknowledge that our brains are physiologically different - albeit an "abnormalilty" or not - it's a physical difference... So acknowledging this, you STILL believe there is some sort of "choice" involved somehow? Good grief! If you won't even listen to your OWN reason, how can you possibly be expected to listen to the voice of reason when it comes from someone else? For some, there is just NO opening of the mind to development. Perhaps you You also state that "...our medical and psychological communities have been so accepting of an unproven precept!" - you acknowledge that these communities ACCEPT this "precept" - yet you think they would accept this WITHOUT PROOF?? How naiive! Have you NO CONCEPT of what sort of hoops a "thesis" has to be put through in this country before such a "precept" could/would be accepted? Ha!! "In fact in animal species homosexuality is a form of natural selection!" - Clearly, I needn't say a word... Just as above, you continue to make my point(s) for me... You accept all my arguments, you just don't like the conclusions. Well DON'T like them - it doesn't CHANGE them any! Haha! Just read your own words, you'll see that you acknowledge all the same points that I have made earlier. Thank you very much!

IIt is OBVIOUS you haven't done much study on the brain or homosexuality or you would know about the particular study I refered to and that it is the part of the brain that is above and behind the pituitary that fails to develop on the onset of puberty...and no a person's sexual preference is not set upon birth in the brain!  There are a multitude of illnesses and injury that can affect it! Just as this study suggested a possible endrocrinological defect that caused the brain to not fully form upon puberty.... 

  

IN FACT: show the studies you speak of....because there is absolutely no studies to proove what you are saying!  

  

So get OFF your highhorse with me!  Because you really don't know what you are talking about! 

  

After over 30 years of studying psychology and working in the medical field I find your rhetoric rediculous! 

  

If you want to claim that a persons sexual preference is determined in the brain's makeup fine...but try to say it is predetermined!  BECAUSE there is absolutely no way to proove what you just said!  

  

WHAT YOU DON'T GET is the complexity of the human body and it's interaction with brain development!   

  

When I speak of homosexuality in animals does not mean it is normal and is not necessarily simply caused by the brains original make up! 

  

Yes it could be genetic! 

  

It could be diet! 

  

It could be brain injury! 

  

It could be another genetic illness which has the side effect of  damaging the brain! 

  

But it doesn't have to just originate in the brain!  DO YOU UNDERSTAND? 

  

Or it could be as in the canines simply a show of dominance....essentially a rape....if you will! 

  

  

And YES it is natural selection....in a male species if a male animal goes to jump another male there will be a fight over it! and there will be a failure to reproduce....good for the animal species! 

  

  

You see your supposition is TOO encompassing and isn't proveable!   

  

  

  

  

 
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June 5, 2006, 11:19 am PDT

06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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So, if what you say is true, then there would be no more births.  God's divine order doesn't allow two men or two women to produce childred.  So in your world, God's world should have ended long ago, because there would be no reproductions, right?

WOW! How did you get that out of what was written???? This always cracks me up when I read posts like this! LOL!!!    

   

IF the whole world accepted homosexuality, it DOESN'T mean that EVERYONE would turn homosexual. It doesn't work that way! Therefore, of course the human race would carry on! Not to mention that we all still have the working parts to make babies, even if we have to go about it in different ways! I'm a lesbian, I'm not sterile! And I may someday decide to have a baby with my partner, or I should say my wife. And there is nothing you and your Bible can do to stop me! We are raising her son together right now, and he is very happy and well adjusted! He's very smart, he has tons of friends, and he is such a wonderful and accepting child.
   

I feel sorry for children of right-wing, bible thumping republican families! They are only taught hate for others. Children of gay parents are taught to accept everyone, no matter their differences!    

   

And another point, that has been stated many times on this board and debated, BEING GAY IS NOT A CHOICE!!!!! If it is, then you could very easily "choose to be gay." If you read this post and say, that's absurd! I could never be attracted to the same sex, then you should turn that around and know that I can never be attracted to the opposite sex. No matter what society wants me to do. There is one lesbian on here that says she found God and decided to be straight. This is 100% ridiculous. "Finding God" doesn't change the fact that she is homosexual. The only thing it changes is her ability to be truly happy. Because I know for a fact that when you force yourself to be hetero, you fall deeper and deeper into a depressed life, and many people committ suicide because of it.    

   

I could go on forever about this, but I'll stop now. That is, until someone else makes an absolutely ignorant post like the one above....which I assume will only take a matter of minutes!   

 
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June 5, 2006, 11:20 am PDT

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I must say that this has been the most interesting writing from a pro-gay and experience perspective.  And I realy loved reading through these comments because it wasn't about knowledge but from a person sharing their life.     

   

I never will speak against a person's testimony and it has truly given me some food for thought.   

   

I still believe in the sanctity of marriage and my faith will always define who it is that I am.   

   

I was depressed in the gay community and I wish you'all can see the work of God in my life because there is a difference.  I will never regret the decision I made to embrace the word of God as truth and who the word of God says that God created me to be.   

   

As far as my feeling's of being different...I have felt different early in life and as a little girl I was more comfortable as one of the boys.  Just ask my twin brother I used to play football and wrestle with and of course the baseball games I would play with him and his friends.  I still look back with fond memories growing up.  I am not trying to make myself fit some kind of mold and the lady's from church of whom I hang out with know that full well.  In fact, I will say at times, "You ladies realy know how to make me feel normal and accepted as one of the ladies."   Because this is who I am.  I am not all that different from the women I hang out with but at the same time not all of them wear pink frilly dresses and enjoy tea parties:)     

   

Most of these ladies do not look like that stereotypical church lady look.   

   

I am simply being honest with who I am, and what defines me and what God has done in my life and what God continues to do in my life.     

   

   

Thank you, Eden, for your thoughtful reply. :-)  

  

Like the women with whom you socialize at church  

    ( I am not all that different from the women I hang out with but at the same time  

      not all of them wear pink frilly dresses and enjoy tea parties.)  

I do not look "gay" or, more accurately, lesbian. I have long, nicely-styled hair, love  pedicures, and wear "feminine" accessories (silk scarves, pretty jewelry, etc.) as often as possible. Most straight people haven't any idea that I am of that hated minority.  

  

Beware of stereotypes, folks! They'll bite you when you least expect it! :-) 

 
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