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Created on : Thursday, October 20, 2005, 02:56:10 pm
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(Original Airdate: 10/27/05) Parents want the best life for their kids and often go to great lengths to make that happen.But what happens when they get so demanding, they end up hurting the children they love? Michael says his wife, Anna, is so consumed by her dream of having their 7-year-old son become a cheerleader that it’s taking over their lives. Will Anna put her son's pompoms to rest? Then, a father hides a tracking device in his son’s car and gets more than he bargained for! Plus, Nathan and Julie’s marriage is on the rocks because they disagree over his military style discipline of her 12-year-old daughter. Is Nathan’s drill sergeant parenting done out of love or for another reason? Join the discussion.

 

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October 27, 2005, 2:21 pm PDT

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Kids grow up in spite of us. The tracking device was a great idea. No offense to the kid, but obviously, the dad was right in believing that he couldn't trust the kid to drive safely, and the kid proved it.  Is it better to have the kid mad at you for a few weeks or dead from idiotic driving??? And now, the dad has to take away the vehicle- for the safety of everyone involved. Thats the way it is---100mph? geez.......
I love that! "kids grow up in spite of us" Ain't it the truth. Good post!
 

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October 27, 2005, 2:30 pm PDT

Cheerleading

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I was just wondering why a mom would want her SON to be a cheerleader so badly?  Did she really want a daughter or something?
My son did not turn any which way because he was a cheerleader!!  My three girls were also cheerleaders....guess hwo got the scholorship to college....the son..and guess what he was also a Marine and has 2 sons.  He sure does not look gay in any way!
 
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October 27, 2005, 2:31 pm PDT

DRILL SERGEANT

  Nathan is really out of hand. My ex was a marine and he did worse things to my children. He would yell at them tell them they were worthless and call my daughter a whore. He would get them out of bed in the middle of the night to have them clean their room or he would have them scrub the floor with a toothbrush. At times they had to write i am sorry 1000 times. And the children always had to say yes sir no sir. He ended getting physical not only with them but with me. He would say 

you have to learn. Well sorry to say but my three children have no contact with him and I am divorcing him. But at least that behavior has not spilled over to my childrens lives. Julie should not go back but should run as fast as she can, because he will not change his ways. Good luck to Julie and her daughter. I hope they get counseling and learn that this is not acceptable behavior. 

 
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October 27, 2005, 2:37 pm PDT

10/27 Extreme Parenting

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 I think its wrong for Anna to make 7 year old Micheal go to cheerleading especially if he doesn't want too. I also believe that if he continues cheerleading he'll probably not be liked by too many kids in his school and they'll probably begin bullying him and beating him up. 

 You may think the kid might get beat up, but that's really not the case.  If anything, he'll become more popular because hey, the guy gets to put his hands between the girls' legs!  That may sound absurd, but to high school boys who are hormonal, they would probably think the kid was the luckiest guy in the world!
 

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October 27, 2005, 2:40 pm PDT

Cheerleading

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Personally i believe that the woman who is wanting her son to be a cheerleader is doing some major damage to that kid.  Boys are suppose to play foot ball (i know this may be a little sexest but in some cases i think this is how it is suppose to be) if my son came up to me and said mommy, I want to be a cheerleader I'd probably faint, but I would let him do it.  I wouldn't push him to do it though.  As for the guy putting the tracking device in his sons car: WAY TO GO!  When my children start driving I will be doing the same thing.  Even when they go to school i plan on bugging them, because I have learned that teachers can be quite cruel themselves.  I know it may be an invasion of their privacy and I am only going to do it through their elementary school years.  Now as for the drill instructor dad, I know from experiance that this is not a good way to raise children.  I was raised that way and as soon as I turned 18 I left my mom's house and was unable to go to college, I even had a hard time graduating from H.S. because they wanted to throw me out b/c I wasn't living at home anymore.  Luckily my grandmother adopted me (I thought it was stupid to have to adopt an 18 year old but oh well) and put me back into school. 
I cannot believe there are people out there in the world that would have such a sttitude about cheerleading.  Have you ever seen what a male cheerleader has to do?  My son played football and then cheered in high school and college.  And then guess what....he became a Marine and is a father of two!!!!!!  Why in the world would somone in this day and age FAINT if their child wants to be a cheerleader....I actually think a person with your kind of attitude would be doing more damage to their child because they have such a seixest attitude.
 
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October 27, 2005, 2:44 pm PDT

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  I lived with a man who was abusive in a similar way. He didn't call me names per se, but he found another way to control things. If there was an argument, he would threaten to pack his bag and leave  if it didn't go HIS way (and so did so many times) It got so that I would stuff all my frustration and anger down and then blow my top when I couldn't take it anymore. Yes, I doubted myself CONSTANTLY and felt like I was  the cause of all our problems. When we finally split for good, I was like a wild animal let out of a cage., I really told him what I thought of him BIG TIME and then wound up looking (once again) like a raving maniac who was to blame.   Is anyone taking care of YOU as well as your child? I sure hope so because I'll bet you've got a load to bear as well. I wish you all the best
   Julie you are in my prayers. Just remember take it one day at a time. You will find the strength It took me 32 years to get a way from someone who was worse than Nathan. It took a lot of courage and the love of my family to get me to a good place in my life. Just keep loving youself and your daughter and you will get through this.
 
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October 27, 2005, 2:45 pm PDT

Extreme parenting=extreme trouble!

We all know how difficult and stressful parenting can be. Children will of course test everyone of our buttons and things only get worse before they get better. But thats just it, it does get better. Children learn through examples and we as parents need to make sure we do not scar them for life. Discipline is essential in parenting but the "drill Sergeant" was way off. What will come of his behavior? Only to have a daughter fear him which does not equal respect and eventually resent him and learn schemes aimed at avoiding him. A twelve year old should be talked to and should clearly know what behavior is acceptable and what is not. Also if rules are broken then appropriate punishments should be installed. Never should an adult have to yell and scream to the point where their veins are popping out. That only proves that the discipline is not working. Dr. Phil was definitely right when he stated that the mother had to be the main disciplinarian and not the stepfather. The child probably has resentment issues with this man who steps in as a father figure but comes across as a drill Sergeant. Corporal punishment and/or "drill Sergeant" tactics never work. We as parents need to think back to when we were kids (if possible) and remember what he hated about how our parents disciplined us or what we wish they would have done. As Dr. Phil said, zero tolerance guarantees failure. They are children, simply growing babies. We as adults must always keep that in mind when disciplining our children. Lots of Tylenol helps too!
 
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October 27, 2005, 2:51 pm PDT

from a Marine wife

After watching the show today on extreme parenting I was so upset.  So often military men, espically Marines, come off as being some cold, heartless, uncaring, born killers and that is not true at all.  My husband is the Marine Corp, I  live on a Marine base surrounded by military families.....I just wanted to make it very clear to those of you who don't know a lot about military families, that this, for lack of a better word, crazy man is not the norm.  Marines go through the training  that they do to be productive in a war time envoriment, not to treat people, much less children like a recruit at bootcamp.   This man is holding on to the Marine Corp, which was probably the highlight of his life, and living his dream of being this tough Marine through his step daughter.  In closing I want to point out the most Marine husbands and fathers, are very caring, loving men that cherish the times they do get to spend with their families because they are gone so much defending our freedoms.   

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October 27, 2005, 3:08 pm PDT

Teen Driver

That young man should not drive without a parent in the car with him, if he drives at all.  If he were my child and he was driving over a hundred miles an hour and didn't understand the danger, I would have his keys.  He seemed pretty amused about his reckless driving.  Pictures of wrecked cars aren't going to wake him up.  He needs to see the real thing, the car, the accident scene and the bodies.  Let him walk until he is mature enough to be responsible.  He has a lot of nerve being upset with his father.  I have seen too many accidents that were the result of drivers just like him.  They don't always die in the crashes that result from their attitude.  Often, others die.  Sometimes people are left to live a life not worth living because they were so severely injured. 

 
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October 27, 2005, 3:11 pm PDT

Trapped

I have to say I'm glad to know someone out there had the guts to leave there husband because of the way he treated their children.  I feel so trapped in my marrage b/c I too have a husband who is extremely mean and verbaly abussive to our children.  He yells so loud sometimes, his veins pop out of his forhead while his whole body turns red!  He calls them names like s---o-b--- and others.  Nothing they do is good enough for him.  The boys are 6 and my baby girl only 1, and kids arnt perfect, nobody is!  But he yells about everything, like if there is just one toy on the floor or if they accidently spill something.  The kids are to the point that they are being very secretive around him and sneak in to me to ask for something in a whisper.  Something as simple as asking for a drink can set him off on a yelling rampage!  I'm to the point I can't even say if I still love him anymore and that is sad, b/c I do not believe in breaking our marraige vows.  I just keep hope that I can change him some how.  And of course he always has his way of making me feel guilty for feeling the way I do.  We've been thru a lot of crap together.  Its been a very rocky marraige and I do not know why I stayed with him to begin with, b/c I knew of his mean behavior befor we got married and I married him anyway.  I feel bad for my kids, and I don't want them to grow up and be just like him, but I don't want them to grow up with out a father either.  The sad thing is, I have became very numb, angry, depressed, and bitter b/c of him.  I don't want to be this way, its not me.  I feel like he is changing me!  I've gottin to the point where I'm not as afraid to say something to him now if he does something I don't like, like call them a bad name, I tell him  off about it!  But it doesn't seem to be helping.  Is there any hope for saving this marraige from him?  I'm losing hope!  I can't even bear the thought of being a single mom w/3 kids to support on my own, or even being (alone) w/3 kids.  So I stay even though he's ruined me and is attempting to ruin our kids!
 
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