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(Original Airdate: 10/27/05) Parents want the best life for their kids and often go to great lengths to make that happen.But what happens when they get so demanding, they end up hurting the children they love? Michael says his wife, Anna, is so consumed by her dream of having their 7-year-old son become a cheerleader that it’s taking over their lives. Will Anna put her son's pompoms to rest? Then, a father hides a tracking device in his son’s car and gets more than he bargained for! Plus, Nathan and Julie’s marriage is on the rocks because they disagree over his military style discipline of her 12-year-old daughter. Is Nathan’s drill sergeant parenting done out of love or for another reason? Join the discussion.

 

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October 27, 2005, 9:51 pm PDT

FINALLY...A PARENT WHO GETS IT!

KUDOS TO THE DAD WHO PUT THE CHIP IN HIS SON'S CAR POTENTIALLY SAVED HIS SONS LIFE AND THOSE INOCENT PEOPLE DRIVING DOWN THE SAME STREETS!  YOU TOTALLY GET IT!  YOU GET THAT YOU HAVE TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES, AS A PARENT, TO GET YOUR CHILD, SAFELY AND RESPONSIBLY, TO ADULTHOOD!  HE WILL THANK YOU LATER!
 
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October 27, 2005, 10:01 pm PDT

Extreme

"Drill Sergeant Dad" 

  

  

Julie42, I don't like to see families dissolve, but I am glad you have moved your daughter to a stable, non-abusive environment. I hope the husband can get some counseling for his anger, hurt, and anything else that makes him act out like that. 

  

  

You are an inspiration to many who are paralyzed by someone who dehumanizes. 

  

  

"No Reason to Cheer?" 

  

  

Hasn't cheerleading been co-ed since the beginning? When someone has three tiers of people standing on his back while others are being flung 20 feet into the air, "feminine" isn't the adjective that comes to mind. 

  

  

Many more children are hurt from ignorance and lack of opportunity, than have been ever hurt by music lessons or "sticking out a whole season" in any sport. 

  

  

On the church tangent, I'd have trouble with any church who did not make people feel welcome, whether they were 13 or 31. 

  

  

"Driven by Fear" 

  

  

Too many 16 years olds have full and part time jobs, and other responsibilities, to broadly limit their access to automobiles. 

  

  

I'm hoping that Phil's comments were limited by time. The only answer to installing a chip, then forgetting to inform others for three days, and then downloading the info before telling, is "Get Real." 

 
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October 27, 2005, 10:05 pm PDT

good job mom

i totally am proud of the mother in this situation, for leaving her husband who is the stepfather to the daughter.  In my opinion, because i grew up with a not so nice step father, he is totally out of line.  And if he doesnt change and realize what he is doing and make ammends with the step daughter she will grow up with issues.  i say from my own personal experience, no educated reason, just mine. 
 
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October 27, 2005, 10:28 pm PDT

I lived that life also

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About the man who put the chip in his son’s car. I really don’t understand why he just did not take the keys of the vehicle once he found out that his son was driving at such excessive speeds. My friend was 17. He died May 23rd of this year. He drove a dodge neon and was going 75+ mph when he was reaching for his cell phone and had a head on collision with a cement truck. He was the type of person who could make you smile no matter what kind of mood you were in. He never said anything bad about anyone. He also like the guys on the video said, " if it is your time to go then it is your time to go." This was just a tragic way for him to go. This is my link to my page of him... it has pictures of his car and him along with other things if you would like to view this. I really wish the boy who was driving 100+ on the show to look. Http://hometown.aol.com/hugsnsmooches07/inmemoryofjosh.html.  

Dear Julie,  I can understand why you left and commend you for it.  I stayed in the same kind of relationship for twenty years.Only my ex beat us, choked me, punched me, and could scream way louder than your husband.  We had a son together and we both suffered for years.  I stayed and lived a life of terror for my son and I.   Your husband didn't seem to really seem to own it.   He still was trying to justify his behavior.  I don't really think it will work for you and your daughter.  He's really too old to change and too many hurt feelings.  Take the help Dr. Phil gives you for you and your daughter.  It's tough bringing up kids today.  If you have God in your life, find a good church to attend with your daughter.  You were so brave to leave, only  wish I would have.  Sincerely, Judy
 
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October 27, 2005, 11:25 pm PDT

Thursday,s show

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WAY TO GO DAD WHO PUT THE CHIP IN YOUR SON'S CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

You were more lenient then I would have been as MY KID WOULD BE WALKIN'. 

His car would be locked up until he took a driving course and matured a whole lot then he would only be driving to and from school or work. No drivin' around with his buddies just for fun. I hope  you take him to a medical rehab. center and let him talk to some of the kids who thought that going too fast was "cool". I mean the ones who are missing body parts or are missing half of their faces or are paralized or are blind and the ones that cant' talk because their brain damage is so severe. Let him see just how "cool" it is to struggle to go to the bathroom or to keep the saliva from running down their chin or try to feed themselves. Doing that might get an attitude change out of him.  

I think that those chips should be put in every car that is driven by a person under the age of 21.  

Folks----------------lets get the legislation started so EVERYONE can be safer.   

  

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It was obvious that the military Dad isn't going about this in the right way.  

I think he knows that by now and hopfully will change. I just wished Dr Phil would have gotten into, with the mother, the WHY this girl didn't have a set bed time (what????) and not go to she if didn't want to go that day (what????) and why did the mother let her back talk, etc. She acted like her daughter's friend instead of her parent as that girl didn't seem to have enough, if any, discipline before the step-dad got on the scene. That's the mother's fault! Maybe that girl was pretty much out of control by that time so no wonder he was hard on her. Way too hard, yes, but this might not have happened if the girl hadn't been so spoiled in the first place. 

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

   

 
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October 27, 2005, 11:46 pm PDT

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I was just wondering why a mom would want her SON to be a cheerleader so badly?  Did she really want a daughter or something?

Maybe SHE wanted to be a cheerleader. 

  

I do think the mother gets it now. I also can see how it all got started since her daughter was cheerleading. Now that he has expressed that he doesn't want to do it anymore he shouldn't 

I don't think she will force him to. 

  

 
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October 28, 2005, 6:30 am PDT

Why is everyone so hard on the cheerleading mom?

For many sports and other activities that very young kids are in, it calls for a lot of practice and discipline. Like when I was 6 years old, I had to practice the piano for at least an hour, often two. Parents put their kids in actitivies, like music, or sports that require a lot of time. Are people still hung up on the whole gender issue? It's not like a boy is going to be wearing a skirt and pom poms. Even George W. Bush was a cheerleader in college. Would people be freaking out as much if she had her son in something that was considered more "manish" like hockey or football? 

  

I think she sounds like an excellenent mother. Is she going to far? Thatis a possibility but it isnt anything like child abuse. As the boy gets older he will have more of an independent will to either persue cheer harder or develop other interensts. It's not like he will be 7 years old forever. 

  

I have had a lot of friends growing up, male and female, who were involved in acitivies such as piano, swimming, ballet, acting, viola, hockey, gymnastics, that involved hours of our time a day when we were children. Some of us stayed with the activities throughout adolescents and beyond, others of us did not and moved on to other interests. None of us hate our parents for it or grew up to be psychopaths. Even for those of us who didn't stay with our activities religiously (like I moved on from the structured form of classical piano and moved on to jazz and rag time when I was 12. I also picked up the guitar at that time.) it did teach us discipline and dedication that is necessary in college to study or out in the real world. It definatly did more good and very little harm.  

 
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October 28, 2005, 6:56 am PDT

Beautiful

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Dear Julie and parents of the like,  

  

The episode "Extreme Parenting" resurfaced much of my youth in a blended home.  My mother remarried when I was 10 years old.  I am now 25 years old.  I have 15 years of anger, frustration, disappointment, embarassement and hate as a result of a bitter relationship between my stepfather and I, which has damaged my relationship with my mother.  Before my stepfather walked into the picture, my mother was my hero and we were more like loving sisters.  My mother's life with my biological father was rough (to say the least) as a result of his alcohol and drug addiction that caused a lot of pain and depression.  I love my mother for removing me and herself from that situation.  Unfortunately, like Nate, my stepfather felt like it was his job to fix this broken home.  He felt that the relationship between my mother and I was inappropriate, and as a child, I must know my place like setting curfews for bed, limiting telephone use, monitoring my calls, and not allowing me to just hang out with my friends.   

  

For 6 years, my stepfather and I were at each others throat and my mother was stuck in the middle.  To my mother it was like she had to choose sides.  To me she lost her own voice within the family and my life.  My perception of my mother went from being a hero to a coward.  As her child, she stepped aside and permitted an outsider, a stranger to set rules and constraints in my life.  When I was a high school senior, I asked my mother to go to the prom and her response to me was she had to ask my stepfather.  I was furious.  Her response to me was he is her husband and I have to respect his position in her life and our family.  Unfortunately, her response changed my life and our relationship forever.  I realized that my position in this family was a position I no longer wanted to play because I wasn't a daughter, I was a stepdaughter even in the eyes of my mother.         

  

Was I rebelious?  Did my stepfather have reason to be verbally and emotionally aggressive with me?  I was valedictorian in Junior High and graduate with Honors in High School.  As a high school student, I attended a summer program at an Ivy League school.  I never drank alcohol.  I never did drugs.  I attended a presigious college.  In 15 years, what has my stepfather taught me that makes me a better person?  Nothing.  His verbal and emotional abuse to my mother and I are just as bad as dealing with an alcoholic.  I have to thank God that my mother put me in school at the age of 2 because I was exposed to many different things like art, music, math, and creative writing.  I was attracted to school and I know that I could have indulged in a lot of other life threatening behaviors, but it was my own understanding and experience of my father's destruction due to drugs and alcohol that influenced me not to take that route when I felt hopeless and defeated in my stepfather's house.  I don't consider myself apart of the family.  I feel like I represent a part of my mother's past that my stepfather considers less than.  I am a constant reminder of what is not his.    

  

Julie, I commend you for separating from your husband and making your daughter your #1priority.  Your daughter is at a very impressionable and tender age, and her role models should benefit her personal and social growth inside and outside the home.  Being a teenager is hard, extra pressures will only make it worse.  You need to be attentive and present in her adolescence.  This is the time she will be interacting with her peers and forming relationships.  If she cant trust you with her feelings, this is the age she is able to reach out to others for comfort.  Its up to you whether or not you want to be that person in her life that she can depend on in all of her moments of success and failure.  You are her reference point in how she goes through life so you need to be aware of your actions and relationships.    

  

I have seen stories of weddings where the stepparent also marries the children.  I think that this gesture has a powerful meaning because there is A COMMITMENT, NOT A CONTRACT established to be the best one can be in nourishing the relationship in good and bad times -- it is a mutual relationship.  NATE HAS TO WORK JUST HAS HARD if not harder in his relationship with Julie's daughter to make it loving, respectful, and productive.  Stepparents enter a childs life and demand respect; assuming that its the childs place to respect adults does not work in these relationships because to the child THE STEPPARENT IS THE STRANGER.  Communication is the key to every relationship.  I dont think that stepparents take the time to know their stepchildren as individuals.   

  

I wish that I could have a better relationship with my mother, but my stepfather and I still remain at odds with many things in our family.  I have stepped aside because I am an adult now and I have my own responsibilities that I need to take care of in my life.  My mother never listened to me when I was in the house, why would she listen to me now?  My mother's life is not my life anymore.  When it was time to leave, I left, actually, I ran.  For me, its about making better choices and never settling.  I reach for the heavens so that if I fall, I will still be among the stars.  I learn from my mother's mistakes.  I have a voice and I use it in all of my relationships.  I cannot define myself through relationships because I will always be disappointed.  I have to respect myself first and I do. 

That was beautiful. 

  

I really dont understand why some parents believe that if a "tough love" approach is not used that a kid will automatically go into drugs and be pregnant. Children need guidance, love, and support, not someone chewing up their self esteem. There are plenty of people out there to do that already to your children. Why have someone in the home doing that? 

  

 
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October 28, 2005, 7:32 am PDT

10/27 Extreme Parenting

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I resent the comment you said "I think my son will become gay"  My son is gay and you don't become gay just by being a cheerleader.  Give me a break.  There is much more to it than that.  You don't understand anything about be gay.  You must not get out in the public often or you don't know someone thats gay.  They are just like us except there lifestyle is different.  They resent the fact that people like you are so ignorant toward them.  They have feelings just like us and I'm sure you have upset alot of people for that comment.
 Like I said on the show...I do not think he will turn gay...I don't want him being teased as being gay because that is the first thing most people now days assume. And yes my wife and I do have gay friends. One of her best friends is gay and we all go out and have a blast. Like I said, I do not have anything against gay people.
 
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October 28, 2005, 8:40 am PDT

You are totally missing the point

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is not coming from the stepfather...it is coming from the mother who is too lazy and weak to discipline her own child! The mother wants to be the "hero", therefore, putting the burden of discipline on the stepdad. Furthermore, at the age of 12, that child should be doing her chores when she's told to do them. My kids were doing their own laundry at age 9-10, not because I was a tough 'bitch' of a mom, but I explained that if everyone helped with the chores around the house, we had more time for good times (parks, etc). Remember, that it took the step dad several tries to get the kid to do what was asked of her, and frankly having dirty dishes in her bedroom is so disgusting, no wonder he got mad! That is VILE and REPULSIVE and if he's paying the bills there, he shouldn't have to live in squalor with a spoiled brat

Had you read Julie42's response to my "you are confused" quote, you'd know that she does, in fact, discipline HER daughter.  

The point that you're missing here is the verbal & emotional abuse of HER daughter by a NON-parent!   All that you have managed to convey with your 75 different comments is that you are OK with some stranger calling your daughter a "whore" and verbally abusing her.  What a pity for your children. 

  

 
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