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(Original Air Date: 10/28/05) Being a mom is hard enough, but imagine juggling soccer, PTA meetings, homework and carpools all while trying to cover up a secret life of drug addiction. Dr. Phil follows up with some moms who say they were junkies. Joani, a mother of two, couldn't get through a half hour without shooting up -- and she was a nurse in a drug rehabilitation center! It's been six months -- how is she now? Then, Stephanie was addicted to Vicodin and took 60 times the recommended dosage every day. She's been clean for four months, but now has a new problem. Plus, a viewer inspired by Stephanie checks herself into rehab. Join the discussion.

 

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October 31, 2005, 3:05 pm PST

Yep!

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I've just had Anterior discectomy and fusion. I have hernitated  discs, degnererative disc disease, and Osteoarthritis. I'm still in pain. I'm already tolerating as much pain as possible between pills in order to make the meds I have left last longer. I've tried Ultram and it only takes the edge off the pain. Also, contrary to your belief it is addictive too. (See www.drugs.com )

  

 

Ultram is habit forming. Physical and/or psychological dependence can occur, and withdrawal effects are possible if the medication is stopped suddenly after prolonged or high-dose treatment.

  

 

 

  

  

These addicts are not only doing themselves a disservice: they are making it harder for people who have real pain to get the medications they need.  

Yep, you are right - Ultram does take the edge off, but doesn't do as good as narcs.  I had to increase my tolerance for pain cause I'm stuck with it forever.  Returning to narcs is not an option for me because I WILL end up abusing them again.  Ultram seems to have more of a psychological addiction than physiological.  At least, that has been my experience.  I think narc painkillers are truly a Godsend for people who are have severe chronic or terminal conditions.  So what if you're addicted???  It just ain't for me because I don't use them - I abuse them. So Ultram works for me - it is the lesser of two evils.  Now, I'd like to comment on your last statement, because although I am a recovering addict and your statement seems rather harsh, I must admit that I agree with you in spirit.  Addicts are known to "doctor shop" and invent conditions that most docs would give narcs for.  So docs have gotten very leery and suspicious when it comes to treating patients for chronic pain - they don't know if it's for real, or if they are being manipulated by an addict.  My husband, a physician, agrees with you also.  He really hates to see people in pain, but he does not want to help an addict stay addicted.  Pain is not something you can see under a microscope, no labs tests confirm it.  So docs are really in difficult positions when it comes to pain management.  In addition to my "regular" doc, I have a pain management doc, and believe me, NOBODY can con him!  It must be awful for a non-addict to seek help for legitimate pain and have the doc be suspicious of their motive!  Addiction hurts EVERYONE, not just the addict.  Good point. 

:)Siobahn 

  

 
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October 31, 2005, 5:27 pm PST

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 I can really relate with you all. I am a mother of four children. My oldest is 19 and 15,11 and the youngest is 6. I was using drugs for 5 years. and I have been clean now for alittle over 3 years. What I put my kids through was hell, but if it was not for the love that my kids gave me I would probably still be doing drugs. My kids are what help keep me stronge
 
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October 31, 2005, 6:11 pm PST

Yes, Dr. Phil missed a CRITICAL FACT!

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I think i spelled your name wrong if so i appologize .I do agree with you .When i watched that program today i was shocked as to why she (joanie would allow that in her house the adderall.Although her son has ADD OR ADHD I WOULDN'T BE SETTING MYSELF UP FOR RELAPSE AGAIN.I am sure she could get him on something thats not so potent and get him on something not so addicting.You don't send an alocohlic to work at a bar right? I can't make sense of this either so i agree totally.
Adderall is LEGAL METH!!! My 10 year old is a recovering legal meth addict. He was ADDICTED to that CRAP for SEVEN YEARS!!! He is drug-free today, and it was the MOST HEINOUS thing I have EVER been through! Poor lil' child...a victim of governMENTAL protocol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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October 31, 2005, 7:36 pm PST

incredible.

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Adderall is LEGAL METH!!! My 10 year old is a recovering legal meth addict. He was ADDICTED to that CRAP for SEVEN YEARS!!! He is drug-free today, and it was the MOST HEINOUS thing I have EVER been through! Poor lil' child...a victim of governMENTAL protocol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10 years old. I have never heard that before. I am so sorry. If you dont mind me asking why was he put on it, is it for ADHD?? Glad to hear hes doing better. Good luck to you.
 
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October 31, 2005, 7:42 pm PST

10/28 Addicts Transformed

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Thanks for showing concern for me... there have been a few people reply to my posts, and it really has meant alot to me.  Its really the first time Im talking about my problems and sharing my shame.  So it means alot that people are writing back.  I can see that many people on this board are now clean and off the drugs.  And I am not. For a second I thought maybe I might be on the wrong message board, because maybe I belong on the Addict message board since I havent quit yet.  But on the other hand, its a real inspiration to talk to people who have actually quit.  It helps me see that it is possible, and im hoping i can find the courage within myself to change this.  Thx again

I happy to hear from you and i think you are looking in the right place.  I am still addicted to other medication but not percocet so i am still in the struggle and i was hoping that we could maybe be support buddies or friends since we do live kinda close.  So if your still interested my email is jatkinson57@hotmail.com.  It would just be nice to talk to someone who understands the pulls mentally and  the crazy feelings physically and emotionally.  I have no one that really understands the just why can't you just stop whats the big deal!! It is so frustrating.  Hope to hear from you jodie 

 
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October 31, 2005, 7:49 pm PST

i agree

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anyone that knows someone that is a drug addict needs to do what ever it takes to get there loved on off i drugs.  i didnt and tried tough love on my son.  during his addiction you name he done it.  i could no longer help him so we told him to find another place to live.  he was bring his little brother into it and i felt like i need to at least same one of them so we told my son to come home.  well he didnt even make it the weekend.  He died in the back of a firends car.  and his firends didnt even know he had passed away.  they just left him there to sleep it off.  even in the morning when it was time to go to school his firend didnt know he died.  he still left him in the car and it took someone else to say hey whats wrong with chad.  are you crazy?  your driving around with him and he is dead!  My point is drug users have no logic to anything.  but we have to do what ever it takes before they hit bottom.  because for my son hitting bottom was being 10feet under.  i fell very quilty everyday that i didnt do anything. but try tought love. thats for the birds.  do what ever it takes!!!  Friends do not let friends overdose!!! forever chad will be in my heart.  Karen
I am sorry about your son. I agree with trying to help. But you cant help someone who wont accept it. They just get pissed off and go further into their addiction. I would love to help my aunt but there is bad blood between us for many reasons that have nothing to do with her usage. Some of the things you just cant forgive if that means anything without actually saying too much. But you shouldnt feel like its your fault. People cant save everyone, no matter how much they try and wish they could. I hope someday you can realize there may not have been anything you could do. Again I am very sorry about your son.
 
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November 1, 2005, 5:54 am PST

prescription drugs

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I was diagnosed with a very rare form of cancer and was put on oxycontin to deal with the physical pain.  Not long after that I underwent 7 major surgeries over the course of 2 years.  Mind you, I spent a great deal of time in hospital with being shot full of dilaudid and ativan to recover from the surgeries.  After finally leaving the hospital, I was put on 100mcg Fentenayl Patch, Percocet 10's and Fentenayl Suckers.  Needless to say, I was on heavy duty narcotics for over 8 years taking them on a daily basis.  Finally, I made up my mind that I was going to go off of them on my own, which my bright idea only lasted 3 days and then I was on my way to an Emergency Room in full withdrawl.  They informed me that because I could not die from this they could not admit me to the hospital, but would try to get me hooked up with a chemical detox center 1/2 hour away from where I lived.  I was so sick that I didn't think I'd make it to the detox enter.  The ER Doctor sent me home with ativan to calm me through until I could get in this detox center.  Quite frankly, that was the worst thing he could have done, although it did help me whilst I was at home waiting for the phone call from the detox center saying they could take me, which took 4 days.  When I got there they didn't know if they would be able to keep me because they use "subcutex" to detox off narcotics and if you have benzos in your system you can have seizures and end up dying.  Long story short it all worked out and it took me 15 days to detox.  I have been clean nearly 3 months now, but I make a conscious effort everyday that I am not going to go down that road again.  I do fear the future because my docs are already discussing another surgery and most recently I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia, which is very painful.  For now my attitude is I will take nothing for pain,  but I am not sure how realistic this notion is.   

Also, if anyone reads this and can comment I'd really appreciate it.  In detox my physician mentioned going into secondary withdrawl.  I have insomnia very badly, extreme headaches, and cravings and quite frankly, I just don't feel as well as I did just a few weeks ago.  Could I be going into secondary withdrawl now with these symptoms?   Thanks so much for listening! 

First of all, I applaud you for taking the initiative and discontinuing the use of narcotics.  I truly believe that all of us with pain issues should continuously monitor and redefine our need for these meds.  Unfortunately, I cannot comment on secondary withdrawal because I just don't know enough about it.  What I can say is that you have to decide if your pain is severe enough to affect the quality of your life.  If it is, you must find a way to treat it.   

  

You have some options: 

  

You can choose to live with the pain and try to increase your "pain Threshold" to the point where you can tolerate it. 

  

You can discuss the situation with your Doctor and try some of the non-narcotic pain relievers that exist.  (Ultram, Neurontin, Lyrica, Trazadone). 

  

You can ask for a referral to a pain clinic. 

  

You can explore alternative medicine (acupuncture, herbals, etc) 

  

What you can't do is give up.  Your quality of life is important!  If you don't think so, look at the people closest to you.  Most of them are suffering right along with you.  If narcotics are the only answer, try to use them on an "as needed" basis, and take them responsibly.   

  

Lastly, no matter what you decide, you must be able to live with the decision.  Each choice can and will have "side effects".  Only you can assess your pain and decide what works for you.  But don't suffer needlessly.  Take an active and informed role in your treatment and search for the best path to a better quality of life.   

 
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November 1, 2005, 6:37 am PST

Look for other alternatives than Methadone

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It is for both.  Alot of people start out with pain medication and when the Dr wont perscribe any more they start buying them of the street or turn to other drugs.

 
I'm getting close to being 90 days clean off Methadone. I went on this due to abuse/addiction to painkillers 5 years ago and then graduated up to Methadone.  My life was out of control.  Then, in our small community, there was a buzz about a detox off Methadone that was safe and with hardly any withdrawals.  I had no choice but to check it out.  I went to Richmond, Va to detox and have the implant put in.  I have had a second implant put in since then. It's the best thing I ever done in my life. My only regret is that I never done it sooner.  There is no thank you big enough to ever begin thanking the staff and to tell then how much it means to have my life back.  The best thing I think I can do now is to spread the word and that it why I am posting on this message board.  Not alot of people know about this treatment so I have been tring to educate anyone who will listen.  Doctors, adicts and anyone who I think can help addicts with the expence of the treatment.  All I know is I was a addict who was about at the end of the line I was a oxy I V user for 3 years and one addict is as bad as another if your an addict but one thing I can say I might always be and addict but now I am a recovering addict.  Now that I have seen what it is like to have a normal life I'll never go back.  Because it had been so long since I had a normal life I had forgot what it could be like and I like it.
 

 
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November 1, 2005, 9:44 am PST

Post detox phase

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First of all, I applaud you for taking the initiative and discontinuing the use of narcotics.  I truly believe that all of us with pain issues should continuously monitor and redefine our need for these meds.  Unfortunately, I cannot comment on secondary withdrawal because I just don't know enough about it.  What I can say is that you have to decide if your pain is severe enough to affect the quality of your life.  If it is, you must find a way to treat it.   

  

You have some options: 

  

You can choose to live with the pain and try to increase your "pain Threshold" to the point where you can tolerate it. 

  

You can discuss the situation with your Doctor and try some of the non-narcotic pain relievers that exist.  (Ultram, Neurontin, Lyrica, Trazadone). 

  

You can ask for a referral to a pain clinic. 

  

You can explore alternative medicine (acupuncture, herbals, etc) 

  

What you can't do is give up.  Your quality of life is important!  If you don't think so, look at the people closest to you.  Most of them are suffering right along with you.  If narcotics are the only answer, try to use them on an "as needed" basis, and take them responsibly.   

  

Lastly, no matter what you decide, you must be able to live with the decision.  Each choice can and will have "side effects".  Only you can assess your pain and decide what works for you.  But don't suffer needlessly.  Take an active and informed role in your treatment and search for the best path to a better quality of life.   

Congrats to your detox!  You should pat yourself on the back.  What you are feeling now is the post-detox phase.  It's the "transition period" your body is going through....sort of finding out how to function without any opiates.  Its a pain and you are so anxious to hurry and feel better, but the body doesn't move that fast. 

  

If you have a physician that helped through your detox, ask him if he can help prescribe some meds that will help ease these symptoms. 

  

Think about Naltrexone now.....take a look at it on the web.  It actually will help a lot with this phase and also keep you from relapsing back onto the opiates.  It is non-addicting and works like a charm.  I have been on it for 90 days. 

  

God bless! 

  

  

 
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November 1, 2005, 3:50 pm PST

Hi Hope1976

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Im glad you replyed to my message... to be honest I never gave much thought to a possible overdose from the pills.  Wow, sometimes i think i underestimate what this is doing to me.  I guess sometimes I justify it by saying it was my doctor who first got me started on these.  I think I'm still a bit in the denial stage... Im really trying to now research and learn about the pills, and hoping it will give me more strength to stop. How many pills did you take to cause the overdose?  Im sure it would have been very scarey waking up in a hosptial like that.  Glad to hear that you stopped taking the percocet though... did you go through the withdrawls and quitting process on your own? You mentioned your still trying to get off other medications... are you cutting down, or trying to quit cold turkey?  Write back...and send me your email.  Thx

Hey, first my email is jatkinson57@hotmail.com please feel free to email me anytime.  I live near Hamilton to give you and idea where i am.  Anyways I had just had my prescription filled that day so the paramedics were able to tell that i had taken 12 percocet with alcohol and maybe other meds.  Which is as we all know is so extrememly bad to mix.  But like i said before i thought i knew enough since i worked in a pharmacy and been on them for years and even had a few drinks before.  That night i didn't drink a lot, i had a few mixed drinks and had taken 2 pills earlier in the day for my head then took three more around 11 pm or so and the next thing i knew i was in the hospital being accused of suicide.  WE don't know what these pills are doing in our system, with other meds, with alcohol, and with drugs off the street.  I NEVER thought that would happen to me, it was Gods wake up call and am lucky that it was it.   I just hope everyone isn't trying to fool themselves too because we all know that we are hiding from our friends and family.  Wake-up please tell your friends and family or get the help do whatever so the they don't find out from a police officer or the morgue.  You know the truth we are not stupid so don't be a fool, now i just have to do what i say!!! Isn't ironic!! I'm off the percocet now its other pills. 

Please anyone who can give me advice or help or wants support and help contact me by email this message board is confusing and i do suffer from extrememly bad migraines so looking at the bright computer screen hurts. So it would be easier for me to go to my email thanks to everyone 

 
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