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Created on : Thursday, October 20, 2005, 03:02:09 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/28/05) Being a mom is hard enough, but imagine juggling soccer, PTA meetings, homework and carpools all while trying to cover up a secret life of drug addiction. Dr. Phil follows up with some moms who say they were junkies. Joani, a mother of two, couldn't get through a half hour without shooting up -- and she was a nurse in a drug rehabilitation center! It's been six months -- how is she now? Then, Stephanie was addicted to Vicodin and took 60 times the recommended dosage every day. She's been clean for four months, but now has a new problem. Plus, a viewer inspired by Stephanie checks herself into rehab. Join the discussion.

 

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October 27, 2005, 7:39 pm CDT

To Karen

Quote From: chad14

anyone that knows someone that is a drug addict needs to do what ever it takes to get there loved on off i drugs.  i didnt and tried tough love on my son.  during his addiction you name he done it.  i could no longer help him so we told him to find another place to live.  he was bring his little brother into it and i felt like i need to at least same one of them so we told my son to come home.  well he didnt even make it the weekend.  He died in the back of a firends car.  and his firends didnt even know he had passed away.  they just left him there to sleep it off.  even in the morning when it was time to go to school his firend didnt know he died.  he still left him in the car and it took someone else to say hey whats wrong with chad.  are you crazy?  your driving around with him and he is dead!  My point is drug users have no logic to anything.  but we have to do what ever it takes before they hit bottom.  because for my son hitting bottom was being 10feet under.  i fell very quilty everyday that i didnt do anything. but try tought love. thats for the birds.  do what ever it takes!!!  Friends do not let friends overdose!!! forever chad will be in my heart.  Karen

I too have a drug addict for a son AND I have tried everything under the sun to get him off drugs.  Rehab, tough love, etc, etc.  I tried to pick up the pieces of his broken life so many times, but to no avail.  I have come to accept that my son wants to be a drug addict.  He is comfortable in that life.  I can't imagine why, but I'm not him and I can't think like an addict.  I have found with the help of Alanon and Naranon, that I cannnot control or stop the addict's behavior.  That decision is up to the addict. 

  

Try to forgive yourself and stop feeling guilty, you tried the best you could to help.  Your son decided not to help himself.   

 
October 28, 2005, 3:33 am CDT

10/28 Addicts Transformed

I watched the show with Joanie .It was a primetime special Dr Phil had did with her.I will be anxious to see how she is doing.Alot of people were outraged by her and her addiction .Look forward to the show today!
 
October 28, 2005, 7:35 am CDT

Is it just me or am I the only one confused?

I just finished watching the part of the Dr. Phil show where he was talking to the mother of two that has recently kicked her addiction. Don't get me wrong....I am very happy that she was able to overcome her addiction but on the same token....something discussed has left me extremely confused. Help me out here. When she was talking about her 4 year old son...she mentioned that he was just like her........hard to deal with & has an addictive personality (her words...not mine).  She feared he would end up being an addict like her. She stated that Adderall is what brought her to her knees & started her addiction. Ummmm....if that is the case then why is she now giving Adderall to her son? I'm sorry but this highly confuses me. Her son was diagnosed with ADHD. ADHD is not a proven disease & a child is diagnosed soley on a list behavioral factors. If her son behaved just as she has when she was young then I would say that this is a hereditary personality factor. What is wrong with this picture? Her addiction started with Adderall & now she is setting her son up & aiding him in following her in her footsteps of becoming an addict with feeding him Adderall??? She just introduced a highly addictive drug to a 4 year old that she claims has an addictive personalitly like her??? Does anyone out there understand this?
 
October 28, 2005, 7:47 am CDT

Wants to be a drug addict? NOT!

Quote From: nanciwest

I too have a drug addict for a son AND I have tried everything under the sun to get him off drugs.  Rehab, tough love, etc, etc.  I tried to pick up the pieces of his broken life so many times, but to no avail.  I have come to accept that my son wants to be a drug addict.  He is comfortable in that life.  I can't imagine why, but I'm not him and I can't think like an addict.  I have found with the help of Alanon and Naranon, that I cannnot control or stop the addict's behavior.  That decision is up to the addict. 

  

Try to forgive yourself and stop feeling guilty, you tried the best you could to help.  Your son decided not to help himself.   

 I am a recovering drug addict of 23 years. Just today while watching Dr. Phil I said to myself...I don't want to be a drug addict and then almost as I said it I realized, I have no choice to be or not to be.  The only choice I have, is to not use.  Being a drug addict is not a choice, I will always be. I just chose not to use.  Sincerily , Clean for 8 months
 
October 28, 2005, 7:51 am CDT

i also understand......

Quote From: dede7007

 This is a difficult subject, but one that needs to be exposed, and talked about. I also think that a show needs to be added to this one about what this addiction does to the people who need the pain killers and can't get them because of being accused of being a "junkie". 

   This happened to me. I was rear ended in a car crash, and suffered unbearable back and neck injuries. It took eleven years to get a diagnosis of what I had, and then I received several corrective surgeries. But during the eleven years, while experiencing excruciating low back pain, leg numbness, neck and back spasms, migrains, and numbness and weakness in my right arm, I could not get anything for pain relief without being given the third degree by doctors. Many nights I ended up in the ER, to try to get the pain relieved. I would be given a prescription for Motrin. It's been 27 years now, and I haven't know one day without pain. But, I do thank God that I finally found a specialist in pain and it's being managed much better now. But the years of suffering was almost too much to bear.  

   I don't understand how these people GET the pain killers, and all the drugs that they get. It just baffles me. Do they really understand HOW many people they really affect? 

Dede7007 

I too understand what you are saying, My back pain started at a young age when i ruptured my first disc at the age of 14....I suffered years of pain, not being able to walk sometimes...and it continues to this day, I take pain medications for the pain for well over 10 years now, but with the help of a very good doctor and also a Neurosurgeon, I take my meds very carefully, I am on them for three months then off of them for a month, I have had two back surgerys, numerous needles in my neck and lower back for pain management....the doctors said that mt next step was bone fusion........I was also in 1994 flipped over in my work truck ( A dump truck) by a very large loader at a stone quarry and hurt my back, neck and both knees badly, requiring surgerys on my back and both knees...I refuse to have any more back surgerys until they can come up with something else to help me besides fusing my vertabrae together....so my doctors both agree that if we can manage the pain as best they can without surgery, we will to try and buy more time until a more advanced method of treatment can be used instead.....my doctor tells me if I use my meds for pain and pain only and go off every three months I will be ok....we have discussed addictions reguarally and are always very careful. I suffer with excrucating pain for 30 days or so, but that is all....I usually experience no withdrawl sympoms at all, and to this day still work in the construction industry....and only take my meds every 12 hours only......but there has been alot of new ways to help back patients with new methods of disc replacement now and I will definately be going towards that after they become more and more used....good luck to all.....
 
October 28, 2005, 7:58 am CDT

Try Natural Cures for ADHD

I was watching the show and the first lady whose son has been diagnosed with ADHD and has been put on Adderall.  I have a daughter that has not been diagnosed professional but everything the teachers tell me and what I observe on a daily basis tells me there is something missing in her reasoning process.  I have done alot of reading on natural treatment, why put children on these drugs when you can see how it affects peoples lives.  Try the Pain & Stress Center in San Antonio, Texas,  they have a book out "Stop A.D.D. Naturally.  I think parents should research other avenues of treatment instead of just putting their kids on drugs or themselves.  I have just started my daughter on some of the suggested things in the book, she has only been on them 2 weeks so we will see how it goes.  One important thing I found that settled my daughter down was taking her off all food dyes and limiting the sugar and caffeine.  She can now sit still in her chair at supper and while we do homework.  Food dyes are everywhere - blue dye in white marshmallows.   Read the ingredients in your food.
 
October 28, 2005, 8:00 am CDT

12 step recovery

Quote From: rambodad

I have only one suggestion, 12 steps.  

  

Alcohol/drugs its all the same...and please dont kid yourself, trust me. Go to meetings, get a sponsor, work the steps, be of service, and dont drink or use...no matter what (unless you are getting it from a doctor who knows ALL about your addictions). One day at a time. 

  

God bless. 

  

Dean R. (clean and sober 7 years...) 

I totally agree with you, Dean - 12 steps are the way to recovery!!!  Work 'em, share 'em, make amends when needed, meetings, meetings, and more meetings, read the Literature, get and WORK with a sponsor, realize that there is a Higher Power and that I AM NOT IT... and oh yeah, you don't have to change anything about yourself, just EVERYTHING about yourself!!!   

  

I am VERY careful about even taking ANY prescribed pain medication from a doctor...drugs were not an issue as much as alcohol was, but I am NOT taking any chances - I need to FEEL my feelings and they WILL pass, not cover them up and LATER have to feel them...  I am not talking about pain after major surgery, but some docs will prescribe pain meds more freely than others - WE HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR OWN RECOVERY and for everything that goes into our body!! 

  

Yours in sobriety... 

  

Lisa Y. 

sobriety date July 11, 1995 

 
October 28, 2005, 8:05 am CDT

Physically clean, Mentally Not

  

I was addicted to Percocet, and at my worst my habit was 30 10mg tablets a day to function. I worked a full time job and had ordinary responsibilities and activities, and I believe I had most people fooled. I began taking them after a surgery, but my doctor refused to continue prescribing them, so I found the easiest way to obtain them was by forging prescriptions. I did this for almost a year before I was caught, and it was ugly. The withdrawal was horrible, but not as bad as being arrested. After all was said and done, as a first time offender I was given probation, fines, and community service. 

  

I entered a methadone program 4 months later because the cravings were so bad I could not focus on anything. I had forged a few more prescriptions, and realized I was back on that train again, and didn't want to go thru the whole thing over again. While I was on methadone I was ok, no cravings, but it was expensive, and a hassle to drive across town every morning to get my dose. So, I started voluntarily weaning myself off the methadone with help from the clinic and a wonderful counselor named Ed. Then I found out that I was being investigated again, and was arrested again, for the few scripts I had forged before going on the methadone program. 

  

It cost me a small fortune this time, but I managed to stay out of jail. I am on Intensive probation, have a curfew of 6 pm every day, and an officer comes to my door every night to make sure I am home. I see a probation officer once a week and am drug tested. I completely weaned off the methadone and am clean, but it is so hard to fight the mental cravings. It is demeaning to have to pee into a cup every week in front of a probation officer, and for my neighbors to see that state car in my driveway every night. It is humiliating to have to explain my record to a potential employer, in this day and age of technology you cannot hide felony convictions.  

  

I have tried going to meetings, they don't work for me. My body is clean from the narcotics, but I still want them. I get angry because I can't have them, and the "devil" on my shoulder tries to convince me to get something, anything, any way I can. My rational mind takes over and I know that if I violate my probation that no amount of money can keep me out of going to jail, my suspended sentence is over 7 years.  

  

I used to be a hard working professional woman~ I raised 4 drug free children who are all thru college and on their own, productive members of society. Here I am now, unemployed, sitting around thinking about how a few pills would make me feel better, at least temporarily. 

I know that physically I can make it just fine without drugs, but emotionally the cravings are getting the best of me and I feel like if the rest of my life is going to be like this, why hang around for it?  

Is anyone else going thru this, or has gone thru it? 

  

 
October 28, 2005, 8:06 am CDT

any advice for me

Hi im mary i'm a 36 year old, married mother of three kids.I live in PA and am a bad situation.I need to know if anyone can give me insite to help me see this all through.My husband has currently lost kis job for probibly the 5th time in the past 6 years or so.Tired of struggling I decided to go out and work.To ease my own mind.I got a job waitressing.It's so hard but I go everyday knowing I need to for my family. 

  

My husbnad has no motivation.We are livivng in a home that the furnace is busted and we are all so cold.There is no money but what i'm brining in.Today my sons guidence consuler called and said my son has been begging kids for money and she even saw him on the lunch room floor looking for change. 

  

I was so embarrassed to find out he is having a hard time.It's his 5th new school in his life because we keep moving around and we always end up the same way.With him losing his job and me feeling hopeless.On top of it, he lies all the time.The last time he lost his job I found out by accident that we were living off our tax return which I was told was 29 bucks when in reality it was 5000. 

  

He just dressed up everyday and went to the library.Emailing me from there like he was at work.I feel like i'm going nuts here.There are days I dont even want to get out of bed.He is so angry all the time the kids cant even breathe and he is jumping down their throat.I tell him they are kids you scare them.We can talk to them now.They are older and stuff.I feel mostly like i'm talking to myself.I have no friends anymore no one to talk to.It's hard to keep hanging on sometimes. 

  

I feel so overwhelmed things are pllling on top of me and I cant get any air you know?If anyone has any advice I'd sure love some I go in tonight at 11 pm and i'll be checking to see if anyone at all can relate.. 

loser 

 
October 28, 2005, 8:38 am CDT

pattonlady

Quote From: pattonlady

  

I was addicted to Percocet, and at my worst my habit was 30 10mg tablets a day to function. I worked a full time job and had ordinary responsibilities and activities, and I believe I had most people fooled. I began taking them after a surgery, but my doctor refused to continue prescribing them, so I found the easiest way to obtain them was by forging prescriptions. I did this for almost a year before I was caught, and it was ugly. The withdrawal was horrible, but not as bad as being arrested. After all was said and done, as a first time offender I was given probation, fines, and community service. 

  

I entered a methadone program 4 months later because the cravings were so bad I could not focus on anything. I had forged a few more prescriptions, and realized I was back on that train again, and didn't want to go thru the whole thing over again. While I was on methadone I was ok, no cravings, but it was expensive, and a hassle to drive across town every morning to get my dose. So, I started voluntarily weaning myself off the methadone with help from the clinic and a wonderful counselor named Ed. Then I found out that I was being investigated again, and was arrested again, for the few scripts I had forged before going on the methadone program. 

  

It cost me a small fortune this time, but I managed to stay out of jail. I am on Intensive probation, have a curfew of 6 pm every day, and an officer comes to my door every night to make sure I am home. I see a probation officer once a week and am drug tested. I completely weaned off the methadone and am clean, but it is so hard to fight the mental cravings. It is demeaning to have to pee into a cup every week in front of a probation officer, and for my neighbors to see that state car in my driveway every night. It is humiliating to have to explain my record to a potential employer, in this day and age of technology you cannot hide felony convictions.  

  

I have tried going to meetings, they don't work for me. My body is clean from the narcotics, but I still want them. I get angry because I can't have them, and the "devil" on my shoulder tries to convince me to get something, anything, any way I can. My rational mind takes over and I know that if I violate my probation that no amount of money can keep me out of going to jail, my suspended sentence is over 7 years.  

  

I used to be a hard working professional woman I raised 4 drug free children who are all thru college and on their own, productive members of society. Here I am now, unemployed, sitting around thinking about how a few pills would make me feel better, at least temporarily. 

I know that physically I can make it just fine without drugs, but emotionally the cravings are getting the best of me and I feel like if the rest of my life is going to be like this, why hang around for it?  

Is anyone else going thru this, or has gone thru it? 

  

I usually just hang around on the addiction boards, but I just happened to check this today and I'm glad I did! 

  

The one thing I didn't see in your post was an indication of how long you've been "clean".  I'm asking about this because long-term withdrawal can go on for months after a person has stopped using.   It's very common during this time to have cravings, experience anger, etc.  Your body is learning a whole new way of functioning, and chemicals can go a bit haywire during this period. 

  

You're not going to like my suggestion, however :)   

  

It sounds like you're trying to work through this alone, which is never a good thing.   So of course I'm tossing out the idea of AA/NA again. 

  

Just so you know, I am not one of the gestapo types where AA is concerned.  I just celebrated 15 years of sobriety and probably haven't attended more than 2 or 3 meetings in the last 10 years.  But  during those first years, I wouldn't have made it without AA.   And the most important purpose it served was the "fellowship" - it was absolutely critical that I spend time with other sober people and try to learn from them (and have fun with them).  Simply put, there's no substitute for this. 

  

If you didn't like the meetings you attended, can you try others?  One of the disadvantages of AA/NA is that every single meeting around the country is a bit different -- each meeting takes on the personality of the folks participating in it.  It goes without saying that you'll have much better success if you're around people you identify with, so if those others didn't work, try different ones. 

  

This really is critical.  Without actively working on your recovery, you're not "sober" -- you're simply "dry" or "clean".  And, for most of us, if we don't get involved with support groups, we become isolated and then the day comes when the craving is more than we can combat alone.   

  

There are also unexpected side benefits of this.  For example, I know more than one person who found employment through AA contacts! 

  

I really hope you consider this.  It helps so much if you can share the "devil on your shoulder" with others who know what that devil feels like and what worked in their case. 

 
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