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(Original Air Date: 10/28/05) Being a mom is hard enough, but imagine juggling soccer, PTA meetings, homework and carpools all while trying to cover up a secret life of drug addiction. Dr. Phil follows up with some moms who say they were junkies. Joani, a mother of two, couldn't get through a half hour without shooting up -- and she was a nurse in a drug rehabilitation center! It's been six months -- how is she now? Then, Stephanie was addicted to Vicodin and took 60 times the recommended dosage every day. She's been clean for four months, but now has a new problem. Plus, a viewer inspired by Stephanie checks herself into rehab. Join the discussion.

 

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October 28, 2005, 4:49 pm PDT

THERE IS HELP IN CANADA-FREE HELP

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There's no help in canada, it's impossible to get him into treatment.  something bad is going to happen really soon, I know it.  I haven't talked to him in days, don't know where he is, but he's getting high.  it's so hard to let him go.  I know the man he can be.  But I don't know the man he has become. 

Oh my!! Yes my dear friend, there is help in CANADA.  Please, look in your local phone book in the blue pages under drugs/alcohol. CALL THEM. Call your local DETOX. Go to Alanon.  There are SSSOOO many resources here.  Your husband can go to detox for free then he can get into a recovery house. The costs of staying in a recovery house are minimal compared to the US.  Where in Canada are you. Don't give up hope...there are many many resources, just look for them, ask your doctor, hospital, phone book.......start checking things out. 

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October 28, 2005, 5:00 pm PDT

Please read my email about addictions

I sent some information on pain medicine I would like Dr Phill to read in the hopes he could help someone with my message.  Sorry if I took the wrong turn on how to respond to Oct 25ths show.  Very good show today I hope the women on your stage gets the help see needs for herself not for and stop the personal abuse that one takes while under the pressure of realtionships we weave ourselfs into. 

Thank you for your time and the goodness you share with the world. 

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October 28, 2005, 5:00 pm PDT

God Bless you Cara

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Hello to all,


I am a guest on this show and thought I would share things that I was not able to share on the show . . .


I just wanted to let everyone here know how wonderful Florida Detox is . . . Dr. Sponaugle and his team of medical professionals saved my life.  To anyone that is suffering with a substance addiction . . . please know that there is help available.  I was taking anywhere from 15 - 25 vicodin per day when I watched this show.  Seeing Stephanie on that stage admitting to her disease and hearing Dr. Phil talk about Florida Detox as a resource - that was all I needed - well, that and tons of prayers!!  I finally admitted to myself that I was addicted and I couldn't end it myself . . . I needed help.  The first person I admitted this to was Barbara at Florida Detox - Thank God an understanding, caring person was on the other end of the phone because I just broke down.  I was at the end of my rope - barely hanging by a thread.  Barbara's sage advice was inspiring and before I knew it . . . I was signed up to fly from southern California to Tampa, Florida, the home of Florida Detox, to fulfill the best decision that I had ever made.  Of course, I didn't know that until I got there - I was as nervous as a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs!


My journey has been a long one, but no different than thousands and thousands of others out there suffering from chronic pain due to an injury or disease.  So many of us start taking pain medication for legitimate reasons and continue for legitimate reasons, but as I soon found out during Dr. Sponaugle’s lecture at Florida Detox, pain medication loses its effectiveness after 6 months of daily use . . .  then begins the escalation from simply numbing the pain a bit to help one function to needing the medication to just get through the day.  The need begins so innocently, like a calming whisper to take more medication so that you can do more for your family and friends and quickly turns into the angriest drill sergeant scream demanding for MORE, MORE, MORE . . .HOW MANY DO I HAVE LEFT?  HOW MANY CAN I TAKE?  BUT, DOC, MY TOLERANCE HAS GOTTEN SO HIGH THAT THIS DOESN’T DO ANYTHING FOR ME.  WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CAN’T GET ANYTHING STRONGER?  THIS CRAP DOESN’T WORK ANYMORE!  WHERE CAN I GET MORE?  WHAT DO YOU MEAN THAT I CAN’T GET MY REFILL EARLY?  WHERE THE HELL IS THE UPS TRUCK – I WANT MY PACKAGE OF MEDS!  That’s when you know the disease has taken over . . . every minute of every day is spent thinking about the pain medication, getting pain medication, or taking pain medication.  All other activities are simply distractions from your full time job as an addict.  Nothing is fun anymore – there is no buzz anymore – you just have to take the meds so that you feel normal and don’t go into withdrawals that could kill you.  Welcome to hell.


By the way, I’m a 34 year old mother of two beautiful children and wife to a phenomenal husband.  We have a great marriage and a Normal Rockwell-esk life.  We live in San Diego, California.  We are both well educated with Masters Degrees and have been amazingly successful in our careers.  I was once a First Grade Teacher and later became a Business and Life Coach, but chose to stay home with my children while they were young.  We’re normal people and there was nothing in my life for which I was seeking an escape.  I was as happy as I could be excluding the chronic pain which required medical attention.


I wanted to add that bit for two reasons . . . one, because so many parents of addicts take the burden on as if they had done something wrong or that they could have prevented this from happening.  That is not true.  It is a disease and it will manifest in any human that is capable of making one wrong choice.  It is that easy . . . secondly, for all the other men and women out there like me that are suffering from the disease and continue to keep it a secret because they believe that they have become horrible people because of their choices.  Please, I beg you, please, both parents and adults, please understand that this is a disease and can be treated.  If you or your loved one had MS or cancer – you would get medical help – GET MEDICAL HELP FOR THIS DISEASE!  Florida Detox is where I went and I believe they are saving lives everyday.  Upon arrival there, both the one suffering from addiction and their loved ones will be educated about the disease and treated with the utmost respect.


Thankfully, everyone at Florida Detox understands the nervousness and fear - so much so that they send a driver to pick their patients up at the airport so the last leg of the trip is calm.  Prior to the procedure Dr. Sponaugle provides a profound lecture that has forever changed the lives of thousands.  Dr. Sponaugle’s goal is to empower the addict and their loved ones to conquer this disease through education and proper treatment.  Dr. Sponaugle teaches so much about how the brain works and how, through a chemical process, people with specific, but common chemical imbalances, learn how to self medicate to feel normal.  For example, I am from a family that has some history of mental illness (like most of us, I bet) and via genetics and some environmental issues, my brain did not produce enough of its own dopamine.  Therefore, I was dopamine deficient which made me hypersensitive to pain and stimuli in my life - a little ADD.  I was also dealing with a chronic pain issue that required pain medication.  During the lecture, I learned that decreased dopamine levels can heighten the awareness of pain and could be contributing to my perception of the intensity of the chronic pain.  That certainly was a new perspective.  I learned entirely too much to go into detail here, but I'll be happy to share anything if anyone wants to contact me.  I'll provide my email address at the end.  I also had a great consultation with the psychologist I will be working with over the next 6 months.


Following the lecture and consultation with their psychologist, Florida Detox provides a wonderfully, calming massage by Andreas - an amazing masseuse!  The next day was the BIG day.  I had continued taking my pain medication – as many as I needed so as not to suffer any withdrawals and this would be the last day of taking the drug that had become everything to me.  In a sick sort of way, it was like feeling the loss of a dying friend – almost like staying alive or getting well is a betrayal to that friend.  Well, I had to choose life . . . for my husband, for my children and for me.  I had not known life without this drug in several years.  I was scared, but comforted by my husband whom had since been educated about the disease that had invaded our lives.  He showed more understanding and compassion than I had ever expected.  His support and unconditional love provided the strength I no longer had.  Before I knew it, I was being admitted into the hospital and placed in the care of a wonderful ICU nurse, Karen, and she prepped me for the procedure.  Once prepped, the anesthesiologist took over and I was able to rest under a light general anesthesia for hours.  It's the best sleep I've ever had!  To my surprise, I woke up feeling GREAT!  The procedure cleaned out my receptors and prevented my body from going into an adrenaline rush of withdrawal.  I simply rested as my body and brain were detoxified from the abuse.  Patty and Gary took great care of me during the procedure.


There are days following the procedure that can be a little rough - no denying that.  The medical team advises that they can only eliminate 90% of the withdrawal and the following 10% is not a cake walk.  But, I will admit that I would have never done it without the help of Dr. Sponaugle, my husband, Barbara, Dennis, Tom and everyone at Florida Detox.  I just didn't have it in me.  Fortunately, the Florida Detox team knows how valuable every human being is and provides the inspiration to keep on moving forward.  It’s only been a month since my procedure and I'm doing fantastic!  I'm getting back into life . . . I'm dealing with my chronic pain the right way and am no longer a prisoner to the pain, the drill sergeant or the pills.


And, for my recovery, I'll be meeting with a fantastic psychologist regularly over the next 6 months to deal with what Dr. Sponaugle calls "soul pain".  This, of course, is a huge part of recovery.  I'm also encouraged to call Dennis or Barb if there is ever a problem or concern.  Further, I've been attending regular meetings with SMART Recovery online for support.  I'm excited about my future now and I'm eager to help anyone that needs any support going through this!


God Bless Florida Detox and the Dr. Phil Show!

Welcome to recovery, the most amazing process you'll experience. As Dr. Phil stated....Attend meetings. Please do not get complacent.  Good luck to you. 

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October 28, 2005, 5:03 pm PDT

What about migraine meds?

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I am almost 29 yrs old and have been addicted to percocet pain killers for 5 yrs.  I get terrible migraine headaches, and I started taking them for the migraines.  But the last 3 yrs I have been taking them everyday, and the quantity i take has been increasing too.  I can no longer function without them, and the worst part is no-one knows.  I have alot of shame about being addicted to pills, and my family is not close at all, so its very hard to be honest with them and ask for support.  I feel very alone because absolutley no one knows this about me, and its just a hard road to go down alone, especially when i want to quit so bad, i want to be sober. Going to a rehab center is something i really am considering, because ive tried to quit on my own (by cutting down) and it doesnt work.  I know i need support through the quitting process, but im just terrified to let everyone know my truth, and also im so scared to feel the withdrawls (especially because of my migraine headaches, i cant imagine having a migraine and not being able to take any pain medication).  ANYONE OUT THERE, Please give me adivce or share your experiences with me.  Are the withdrawls horrible? How horrible? How long is it horrible? Is going to a rehab center the only way to quit? Do you think its possible to cut down and quit slowly without a rehab center? Has anyone done it sucessfully? That Florida Detox sounds like the best option, but I live in Canada and I cant get to Florida, nor can I afford it.  Anyone with any advice, please let me know your thoughts. Thanks hope1976
I'm so sorry you're going through this. I have several chronic pain conditions, including migraines. I'm in the U.S., but I wanted to let you know that there are at least 2, maybe more, good migraine meds that AREN'T narcotics or addictive. Have you ever tried Imitrex (available in the U.S. by injection--self-injection; it's very simple--& also available in tablet form)? There is also Zomig. I know it's available as a tablet; it might also be available as an injection. I know how it feels to worry about what to do about the pain if you don't have pain pills. But FIRST you need to get detoxed from the Percocet; THEN you can later find a doc (or perhaps one in detox will understand) who can treat the migraines, WITHOUT you having to worry about becoming addicted. I will be praying for you, & I truly hope you will get off the Percocet. After using it for so long, I doubt it's very effective for your migraines. Migraine medication is much more specifically suited to getting rid of them! I give myself Imitrex 6mg injections (or use 100mg tablet). The injection (very simple--you get a kit that makes it SO easy!) helps my migraines in about 20-25 minutes or so! Really fast!

FIRST, though, you MUST get off the Percocet. Please don't feel too ashamed to ask your family & friends for support while you go through the process. If you're in a detox center, I think the withdrawal symptoms won't be as bad. You will go through some withdrawal, but they can help you manage it. Hang in there & don't give up! I'm 45 & you're 29--much too young to let Percocet or any drug rule your life! Again, I'll be praying for you! (If you need to talk to someone, I'd be more than happy to stay in touch via email.) You can write me at joyjoybinks43 @yahoo.com. Don't copy & paste that; I put a space in it to avoid it being picked up by computer "spiders," who will get email addresses off website pages to send spam to. Hang in there; you can do it! And you're not alone now. I care deeply & am praying all the best for you! Please reach out for help. Don't give up & remember what Dr. Phil said: "Monsters live in the dark." I'm sure you can find at least a few people from your family & friends who would be understanding & love you through the process. And since another Canadian told you detox is free there, that's an added bonus! You can get through this! And past it! Take care & email me if you want to, OK? I'll be praying for you!

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October 28, 2005, 5:39 pm PDT

Chronic pain & narcotics--what about people in pain?

First, I'm a 45-yr-old woman married for for over 17 yrs to the same guy. No children (just never happened). I have several chronic pain conditions, including fibromyalgia, connective tissue disease (it DOES show up on blood tests), degenerative arthritis in my sacral area (tailbone), TMJ (jaw joint pain) syndrome, migraines, etc. (There are other things too.)

I am on 2 narcotics, BUT I don't even take as much every day as I'm allowed to take by my rheumatologist (specializes in arthritis, muscle pain, etc.). I'm allowed to take 4 of each med every day, but I usually take 2 of one of them (the stronger narcotic--Methadone--yes, it's also an excellent pain med & I'm on a low dose--just 10mg) instead of the 4 I'm allowed every day. I also use Vicodin 7.5mg. I'm allowed to take up to 4 a day, but I don't. I use about 2-3 a day (really!). :) I know very well what Cara was saying about tolerance. But I've been on these meds for a few years now. On the Vicodin since 1999. The Methadone replaced Oxycontin (& it was very easy to switch since it's Methadone). I'm not HAPPY to be ill & in pain every single day of my life, but I'm managing it with my doctors' help. I DO have an addictive personality, but I daily choose NOT to take more than I need to function. I am homebound for the most part & am able to work part-time from my home as a self-employed freelance proofreader for Christian publishers. My faith is also a huge part of why I don't take massive amounts of pain meds. Besides, I don't want to be constipated, quite frankly. Yuck!  

  

It's nearly 7:30 p.m. Central time & I've only taken ONE Methadone & ONE Vicodin so far today. Yes, I'm in pain, but it's manageable pain. I'm not saying it's good to take narcotics--it can be quite dangerous & if someone can't manage it without wanting more than the recommended dosage, they SHOULD NOT be on narcotics--they need to find other alternatives to dealing with chronic pain (there ARE alternatives). But I have read studies from chronic pain experts who say that MANY people who live with chronic pain conditions don't necessarily get addicted. There is a difference between dependance & addiction. I DO NOT use the drugs to get high. I simply don't get high. I'm too used to my meds. And that's fine with me. But my meds take the edge off the pain, enough so I can work some & get through each day without climbing the walls due to TERRIBLE pain (I wake up with it; it's always, always with me). I also have to use a muscle relaxant. But, again, I don't use it excessively. I have earned the trust of one doctor, signed a pain contract to always get my pain meds ONLY from Dr. R., & ALWAYS from ONE pharmacy. It's a wise contract. And I'm not going to lose my right to have relief to pain by blowing it & taking too many pills. 

  

Besides, I definitely CAN NOT afford more medication! My husband & I are going through a bankruptcy, partly caused by my being ill & needing tests (MRIs, X-rays, blood tests, etc.). And needing to pay co-pays for my medication. I also have dreadful allergies & moderate asthma. I TRULY long for Dr. Phil to have a show about chronic pain & how to manage life with chronic pain conditions. He never has & that's a disappointment to me. There ARE ways to manage pain. I have also gotten steroid (trigger-point) injections at times, but that also has to monitored carefully. Daily I must follow the rules & manage my pain in the best way I can. I use distraction (watching TV or listening to music or talking to friends on the phone--and especially talking to God through prayer).

I just don't want people who have chronic pain conditions (& there is a book that says that women are more likely to feel pain more than men, but we cope with it better! LOL). It's a great book called "Women and Pain: Why It Hurts and What You Can Do" by Mark Young, M.D., F.A.C.P. (chronic pain fellow, I believe; he's been especially trained for pain management) with Karen Baar, M.P.H. (master's in public health). These co-authors do a great job of explaining what Cara was saying about brain chemistry & pain...as well as hormones, etc. I've not read all of it but what I've read is great & fascinating.

If you have a chronic illness (or more than one), learn all you can about it. Get books from the library; buy some if you can. Knowledge IS power & it can help you learn to cope with pain on a daily basis, as well as other symptoms. I just PRAY that someday Dr. Phil will give a voice to the literally MILLIONS of women (& men) who are out there living in chronic pain, often with invisible illnesses. Sure, we look like we're healthy, but sometimes looks are deceiving. Dr. Phil truly needs to deal with this issue, with the help of an expert in chronic pain conditions. I wrote an email asking him to do so (more than once--sent another one today). If you want to find a good site for encouragement & daily devotionals geared toward those in chronic pain, do a Google search for Rest Ministries. It's a great ministry founded by a woman who got rheumatoid arthritis in her 20s. Lisa's a great woman & has done a lot for others!

I pray for all who live with chronic pain--and I also pray for those who have gotten trapped into addictions. There IS help--for both! I will be praying that you all find it. Hang in there! God bless!
 

Sincerely,
Joy  

  

  

 
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October 28, 2005, 5:41 pm PDT

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I am writing in response to today's show on mom addicts. I too am an addict with a addiction to vicodin and soma. I need to get help but I am not quite sure how to go about doing it. I am a single mom on a tight budget and I cant leave my child for a month to go to a rehab facility. I do know that if I dont get help soon I will either die or lose my job or both God forbid. I know what drugs can do to your body. I work in a pharmacy and am very knowledgeable about drugs and their effect on people. I also know that I am not the only one that has this problem and I would love to hear from people out there that share my same problem. It would help me alot. I am just not quite sure what to do or where to go to get help. My private insurance is not real good about paying for these  things either so there is another hurdle that I am up against.
 
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October 28, 2005, 5:50 pm PDT

can anyone relate...yea

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The blessing about us living in CAnada is that you can attend detox FREE. Check your phone book, call a hospital in your area. Withdrawls can be handles through the detox centre. They will help you!!  Once you have detoxed get into a recovery house ASAP.  It will be the best thing you could do for yourself. I've been clean 12 1/2 years. THIS IS a wonderful journey, full of challenges and struggles and peace!  I would rather have a bad day in recovery than a  bad day in addiction.  Life is way too precious to give up on it. 

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October 28, 2005, 5:53 pm PDT

After the detox

I watched the show today.  I had just returned from the doctor's office.He took me off oxycontin, put me on a fentanyl patch with demerol for break through pain.  He also gave me a perscription for ativan for anxiety.  I also take ambien to help me sleep and prozac for my depression.  The reason for all this is fibromyalia, three spinal surgeries and one cervical surgery.  Without going into detail about dates and everything I want to ask the question, "What happens if I detox and I'm still in excrutiating pain?"  The funny thing is, I may not have the pain, but I can't stand to look at myself anymore.  My marriage is suffering and I know I'm not the mother I want to be.  Dr. Phil talks a lot about getting off medication, but he doesn't let you know what happens next.  Does anyone know?
 
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October 28, 2005, 5:54 pm PDT

can anyone relate...yea

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The blessing about us living in CAnada is that you can attend detox FREE. Check your phone book, call a hospital in your area. Withdrawls can be handles through the detox centre. They will help you!!  Once you have detoxed get into a recovery house ASAP.  It will be the best thing you could do for yourself. I've been clean 12 1/2 years. THIS IS a wonderful journey, full of challenges and struggles and peace!  I would rather have a bad day in recovery than a  bad day in addiction.  Life is way too precious to give up on it. 

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All I can say is if you can wean yourself off then just try to take a couple of days off and do something different with your time.  I receive 56 vicodin and 84 somas, 84 konipin * i actually need these for restless leg syndorom so they say.  But yea thats what the doc gives each month.  I wont tell you how fast they are gone you can imagine. Its embarassing.  What do I do?  I just know that im not to the point of go through anything to get more.  I used to but now anymore.  Ol yea then I have gotten fouricet from my OB.  Anyway I wanna quit cause I know in between I am so much happier with my inner self.  Remember what the Bible says what gonna win more if you feed the flesh or if you feed the soul......Get back to me.  God Bless...
 
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October 28, 2005, 6:02 pm PDT

10/28 Addicts Transformed

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Welcome to recovery, the most amazing process you'll experience. As Dr. Phil stated....Attend meetings. Please do not get complacent.  Good luck to you. 

Serenity_2 

hi...i am a 34 year old woman that is wanting help got get off the 20 pain killers a day..i am want to know how do i get  in touch with the florida detox place..? is there a phone no. for it ? i would like to get some information about the place..so pl. if any one as any information about it let me know..
 
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