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(Original Air Date: 10/28/05) Being a mom is hard enough, but imagine juggling soccer, PTA meetings, homework and carpools all while trying to cover up a secret life of drug addiction. Dr. Phil follows up with some moms who say they were junkies. Joani, a mother of two, couldn't get through a half hour without shooting up -- and she was a nurse in a drug rehabilitation center! It's been six months -- how is she now? Then, Stephanie was addicted to Vicodin and took 60 times the recommended dosage every day. She's been clean for four months, but now has a new problem. Plus, a viewer inspired by Stephanie checks herself into rehab. Join the discussion.

 

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July 2, 2006, 2:03 am PDT

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How do I help some one who is addicted to drugs?
 

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July 2, 2006, 10:19 am PDT

06/30 Addicts Transformed

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I watched that show with my hands soon over my face with me watching through my fingers.  I started crying and was soon almost sobbing.  I was shocked at Joani's boldness.  That demon almost crawled right out of her onto the screen!  What a grip!!  

  

THIRTY YEAR ADDICTION?!  Unreal.  And the rest of the program was just as gripping.  "There but for the grace of God go I"....but now I see family members going through this and denial of some other members.  What a wake up call time, even for me.  I call one member "The Puppet Master" because even though there is fresh evidence of use all he has to do is deny it and everyone believes him!  Drug test companies have spent MILLIONS to make sure those test kits are fail-proof, haven't they?  Who am I to believe?? (Not 1 but 2 brand spanking new pieces of evidence of using again.)  

  

I am going to stand strong and let the words ring in my ears...."If you are an addict, you are also by default also-A LIAR."  

  

Any thoughts? 

  

PS....thank you to the facility in Florida!  I thought my heart would pop when news of the "waiving the fees" was announced.  Makes the heart just swell!  Good people out there.  :O)  

  

  

Whoa, I have to disagree with that statement.  Not all addicts are liars, there are many forms of addiction out there.  What are you just talking about heroin addicts, alcoholicas, pill addicts, cocaine addicts, gambling addicts, sex addicts, food addicts, risk taking addicts, marijuana addicts, porn addicts, cigarette addicts, coffee addicts, the list goes on, but how can you say that all of them are by default liars?
 
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July 2, 2006, 1:59 pm PDT

Hope for you

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I am a mom of 3 18, 12 and a 4 year old with a lot of special needs.  I have been drinking on and off for years.  I have suffered from depression since I was 14 (I am 36 now)  I am so scared.  I want to quit drinking for my children and myself.  I am just so afraid that I will not be able to deal with life since I ended up in a hospital for my depression. I know that it is a poor excuse for me to say I drink to control my depression..I am so scared that my 12 year old is reaping my horrible actions and my 4 year old deserves so much better.. I am ready to get help!!!  I just don't know where to turn.. I don't want to be the person i am ... I don't remember the other person that i was except that I was afraid of my own shadow and I couldn't go out of my house.. Alcohol has made me cope. I am a good person but I can be a wonderful mom if I just knew how.... It all starts around 6 pm alcohol gets rid of my panic attacks and makes me so social.... BUT When 11 or comes I get angry  I don't scream or hit but I just loose it because the alcohol is telling me that I have to be in control and I am not... 

  

My husband knows how I feel but just disregards it because I take care of the house and the kids... 

He must know I tell him I don't want to be like my grandmother and father... obviously it is in the family.... I have 5 brothers and 1 is very mentally ill and the other is addicted to any drug... I just want to be okay..... I just want to change my life.... My children deserve a healthy mom... But what do I do??
Quit drinking ? GO back to being so depressed???  Any suggestions?? I really wish Dr Phil could help me..... Be real it is not going to happen.... Sorry all just watching to many Dr Phils!!  

Yes, there is help for you!!
You shouldn't have to live a depressed, scared life. You kids deserve a happy, healthy mother, and you deserve to be happy and healthy. I urge you to make an appt. with your Dr. as soon as possible and tell him/her that your depression is effecting your daily life and you drink to feel better- your Dr. might suggest an anti-depressant and/or refer you to a specialist. Also, therapy will be helpful for you. Your self esteem is being robbed, because right now, you are sabotaging yourself. You need to know that you DO deserve happiness, I urge you to seek the help you need.
If you can't do this for you, then do it for your children. When mom is healthy, the kids are healthy. You want better for your kids, I know you do, because all of us moms feel that way. Be good to you!!
 
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July 2, 2006, 2:26 pm PDT

Don't forget shop and workaholics

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Whoa, I have to disagree with that statement.  Not all addicts are liars, there are many forms of addiction out there.  What are you just talking about heroin addicts, alcoholicas, pill addicts, cocaine addicts, gambling addicts, sex addicts, food addicts, risk taking addicts, marijuana addicts, porn addicts, cigarette addicts, coffee addicts, the list goes on, but how can you say that all of them are by default liars?

While both of these addictions are often treated very filpantly I have seen them do just as much damage to peoples lives as anything.  My ex-best friend ended up declaring bankruptcy at 26 years old.  The usurious interest charged by today's credit card companies will ruin your life for a shopaholic.    These addictions are very ingrained in society and culture.   If you are constantly overspending and hiding the money you spend from your loved ones how are you better than any other type of addict?    

 
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July 2, 2006, 4:13 pm PDT

Walk in their shoes

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I watched that show with my hands soon over my face with me watching through my fingers.  I started crying and was soon almost sobbing.  I was shocked at Joani's boldness.  That demon almost crawled right out of her onto the screen!  What a grip!!  

  

THIRTY YEAR ADDICTION?!  Unreal.  And the rest of the program was just as gripping.  "There but for the grace of God go I"....but now I see family members going through this and denial of some other members.  What a wake up call time, even for me.  I call one member "The Puppet Master" because even though there is fresh evidence of use all he has to do is deny it and everyone believes him!  Drug test companies have spent MILLIONS to make sure those test kits are fail-proof, haven't they?  Who am I to believe?? (Not 1 but 2 brand spanking new pieces of evidence of using again.)  

  

I am going to stand strong and let the words ring in my ears...."If you are an addict, you are also by default also-A LIAR."  

  

Any thoughts? 

  

PS....thank you to the facility in Florida!  I thought my heart would pop when news of the "waiving the fees" was announced.  Makes the heart just swell!  Good people out there.  :O)  

  

  

My question to you is have you ever faced any sort of addiction?  If not then I guess I can understand why one wouldn't believe a thirty year addiction, but let me assure you, they do exist.  Usually people who have had an addiction for that long (regardless of what type of addiction) is a good liar, not only to others but mainly to themselves.   

I know, I have faced addiction in myself and with my daughter.  I managed to get clean at the ripe old age of eighteen and I managed to help her and stand by her when she was fighting her addiction at the ripe old age of eighteen as well.  Did I lie about my addiction?  Yes.  Did she?  Yes.  Have you ever lied about anything?  Yes.  Everyone at some point in their lives has told a lie.  If you say you have never told a lie, then you are lying yourself.  So to label an addict as a liar, yes I guess we are, we all are.   

Have you ever considered why addicts lie?  Sometimes it's because we don't even realize that we have a problem.  I know, crazy as that may sound, it's true.  I know for myself, I can pick out someone elses faults better than I can name my own.  Most people I know are like that. 

The other reasons addicts lie is because we are ashamed.  Most people, including those that call themselves "upstanding christians" want absolutely nothing to do with an addict.  Everyone assumes that an addict is nothing more than a weak willed, lying, no good excuse of a human being.  Not always the truth.  Now don't get me wrong, there are some of those out there, but not everyone is that way.  A lot of the times an addict is battling more problems than one could imagine.  No one ever hopes to grow up to be an addict of any sort.   

Also, if you have never had to kick an addiction, whether it be food, smoking or drugs, then you don't know the personal hell that addicts have to fight to get healthy.  Fighting my addiction and helping my daughter battle hers were two of the hardest things I have ever done in my life.  Addicts, at that point, are literally fighting for their lives. 

  

 
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July 2, 2006, 8:47 pm PDT

I've wondered about the same thing!

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Today (Friday, June 30th) on the show was a follow-up on two women with an addiction to pain killers. Unfortunately, I only saw the last half of the show, so I don't know if it addressed the issue of the pain that started them on the drugs in the first place. I have a chronic pain condition that causes severe, debilitating headaches. Even though I have been to MANY doctors in the last 5 years, I still remain in pretty constant pain. My only relief is a chronic pain medication that works around the clock, and acute medication for break-thru pain. Like the women on the show, I would love to be off of this medication, but how do you deal with the pain? The last guest was a women who was inspired to seek treatment when she saw one of the other guests on a previous show. During her segment she said that she took the medication for a chronic pain condition, but she never talked about how she deals with the pain after getting off the medication. Can anyone offer me any insight into this? I have also tried alternative treatments such as acupuncture and chiropractic care without any success.   

   

I'm also a chronic pain sufferer, and I'm also on strong meds. long lasting and breakthrough.  Sometimes I get depressed because I hear that the meds wont help after awhile and I will have to keep going up in stregnth.  I also hate being looked down on by medical professionals because of the meds. I take, because if my complaint has the word "pain" in it, they think I'm drug seeking, OH the way I've been treated and the things that have been said to me, I'm sure you can relate.  But there are times I take more than I should and I've had to ask myself, "Are you taking it for pain or another reason?" so I have to ask myself if I'm addicted and so far I think I"m ok. 

Do you feel like I do?  When we hear of someone getting off the pills, I start to think, "So am I supposed to get off, am I definitely gonna be an addict, instead of "Physically Dependent?"Why am I on them? 

Yes, I was so encouraged when I saw that she is learning other ways to manage pain I get so excited, but I never hear how, what are the ways to do it? 

The other side hon, is if we need the meds, we are prescribed them and we don't become "addicted" then can we take pain pills?  I say YES, why not?  I'm sick of hurting all the time as I'm sure you are, so if the pills work and we follow the rules regarding taking them, then again YES, as long as they don't control us, and we don't abuse them, just like other meds, like Insulin. 

I think I have some idea of what you go through on a daily basis, so any chance to be pain free for a few hrs at least is heaven. 

I hope this has helped somewhat even though I don't know what she is doing to handle her pain, but I'm looking and trying to get in touch with her  to ask what is she doing about her pain.  If I find it I'd be more than happy to share with you.  You can find my e-mail address on my profile here and if you would like to stay in contact or send me an e-mail address so that if I find out anything I can let you know, k? 

  

 
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July 2, 2006, 9:06 pm PDT

I think you have some good points

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Hello,  

   

I live in The Netherlands and watch your show sometimes. As some of you know some drugs are legal in this country (most of you only know our capitol Amsterdam). Like Pot, Hasj, Magic Mushrooms and all kinds of Herbal drugs. When I watch these american shows about drugs i get annoyed. Why do you people consider every kind of drug as a deadly poison?? There's a big difference between "pot" and heroin. Weed is a SOFT-drug, while heroin (and alcohol) is a HARD-drug. Why do you legalize alcohol, and demonize soft-drugs? I dare you all to smoke a big joint and compare the effects with a night of drinking. In Holland more than half of all juveniles has ever used weed or hasj, including me (not anymore). It's quite normal here. And I can tell you that the dutch weed is somewhat extremer than yours.. In my opinion every kind of drug needs to be legalized, even hard-drugs. That way you can somewhat control the use of it and exactly determine the scale of use. That's allways better than letting people buy their stuff in dark alleys.  

Weed doesn't make people heroin-junkies, they do it themselves. People who become addicts are just weak, period. I think it's good for people to experiment with drugs (especially weed), so they know what they're talking about instead of freaking out when their child smoked it one time. Drugs have been used since the beginning of mankind, and there have always been people that couldn't handle it. But the majority enjoyed it for a little while and moved on with there lives. Dutch people are much more down to earth with this kind of "problems" than most other countries.  We even have a tv-show "Spuiten & Slikken" (Shoot & Swallow) where the hosts use all kinds of drugs, soft AND hard, during the show and tell what they're experiencing. This makes it possible for people to decide for themselves if the want to try it or not. They've seen the effects and have the crucial information about the drug before experimenting. This approach is far more effective than screaming "Drugs are bad!!" like in america. Your method enhances the urge to try it for many young people,because they're curious. That's "puberty"..  

But what I don't understand is why you all shiver when you hear the word "pot" but just  go to the shop to buy a gun like it's a normal thing? Pot never killed someone, guns kill people every second in america. That kind of double standards makes you as a country not very consistent and credible in the eyes of others. It makes us as Europeans laugh at you like we're watching a comedy, sad but true..  

   

I hope my english was good enough...I think it was :)  

My mom is from Germany so she understands what you are saying, and lots of it makes sense. The excitement, naughtiness of drugs is part of the high for some, so by taking it away may help. 

I'm curious about how much of a drug problem your country has?  The percentage of people addicted and going through re-hab, in prison, homeless or died from an overdose.  This info would help to determine if your way works.  If you have a moment maybe you could check into that info. and post it here or send me an e-mail, my address is under my profile.  Or if you have time write me cuz I have so many questions about your beautiful country.  Maybe I'll be hearing  from you soon. 

Your English was almost perfect good job!!!! 

  

 
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July 3, 2006, 3:56 am PDT

Yes, all addicts are liars

Quote From: turkalurk

Whoa, I have to disagree with that statement.  Not all addicts are liars, there are many forms of addiction out there.  What are you just talking about heroin addicts, alcoholicas, pill addicts, cocaine addicts, gambling addicts, sex addicts, food addicts, risk taking addicts, marijuana addicts, porn addicts, cigarette addicts, coffee addicts, the list goes on, but how can you say that all of them are by default liars?

She's right. They are ALL liars. They lie to themselves that they can handle their situations. They lie to themselves that they can simply stop when they want to. They lie by their actions of hiding their addictions from others (or so they believe they hide their addictions). They lie when they find ways that are not legal or simply are not ethical to get their drugs of choice. They lie when they call in sick to work or skip an activity with their children because their drug-use (even if it is porn, etc) keeps them from those activities.  

  

Their entire lives are wound around a HUGE lie. And each and every one of them (deep down) knows it! But ALL are in denial of some sort at some period in their sad lives.  

 
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July 3, 2006, 4:03 am PDT

Not an addict?

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I'm a 39 year old mom that has been in a marriage for 20 years and for the last 10 years have had alot of ups and downs lprobably more downs, I've been finacially struggling and have had alot of issues to deal with and was around some people who was doing Meth well need I say anymore I'm not saying I'm addicted to it but it does help me get through the day alot of times.  I do notice that when I don't do it I'm really cranky even though I don't really notice alot of times that I snap at my kids.  My husband don't know.  I truly hate that I ever touched the stuff but I get so much done.  I'm truly know how these people feel.  I'm not a addict and I don't ever want to become one and have to go to rehab. God Bless to all

If you are NOT an addict you can and will simply never pick up the stuff again after this show. If you are NOT an addict you won't feel you need it. If you are NOT an addict you will never use another dangerous drug now that you know the truth (dangers) about these drugs.  

  

My guess is you won't do the above; therefore, you ARE an addict. I truly hope and pray that's not the case for you. 

  

Everyone struggles at some point in their lives (yes, even the wealthy). How you choose to handle those struggles defines you as a person. Find help for your problems...a priest, friend or free counselor to listen (make calls to find the help you need), a book at the public library by Suzie Ormon or DAVE RAMSEY (great author) to help you get out of debt and friends who do NOT use drugs to get thru their problems. You deserve better than that.  

  

God bless you. You owe it to YOU and to your INNOCENT children to take care of yourself and be drug free. You CAN do it, but you have to make the effort and you have to make the effort NOW. Leave the denial at the door. I wish you well.  

 
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July 3, 2006, 10:25 pm PDT

06/30 Addicts Transformed

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I had writen to you a few months back about my husband, Allen's drinking problem. he had quit many times and went back after the last letter I wrote. It's been the roller coaster thing. 

As of June 2nd, he hasn't touch a drop. He's been wonderful with being responsible with his self employed job and also has been a real good to honest person. I'm praying,( as much as the rest of our families) that he be the 1% that never returns to it. He's pretty head strong, but I still have that wave of doubt at times. I stay focused on my life and my job and give him the love and attention he needs. He returns it back and he means it. I hope! 

Just wanted to Phil you in. Thank you. 

                                                            

                                                                                                                                Sincerely, 

                                                                                                                              Linda Gagne 

Hi Linda, 

  

I just read your message and needed to write . . .    

  

I guess I just worry that loved ones somehow tangle their own self-worth in their loved one's "choice" to drink or not.  Please know that you are worthy of love despite his choices.  And, please remember that drinking excessively for years alters one's brain chemistry and, as a result, their feelings, perceptions and personality.  It will take much longer than a month of sobriety for him to retain his natural hormonal and neuro-transmitter balance.  For some, it can take years. 

  

I do really hope that your husband is amongst the small percentage that do not return to their drug of choice.  Congrats on his success so far and kudos to you for supporting his recovery. 

  

God Bless, 

Cara 

 
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