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Topic : 10/31 "Spoiled and Entitled?"

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Are we raising a generation of ungrateful children? Sabrina and Jessica say they have the most spoiled nephews in North America. They get every toy they ask for -- all they have to do is whine. Their sister, Melissa, says her sons aren't spoiled, they're just kids who like toys. Are her sisters just jealous of her lifestyle? Next, Dori admits that her 13-year-old son, Parker, is spoiled. Parker says he won't take no for an answer, and even has a strategy for getting everything he wants. Then, Joan says her 14-year-old daughter, Jacquie, is a snob, and her need for trendy clothes is turning her into a materialistic monster. Can Dr. Phil help Jacquie change her ways? Plus, Lauren spends her entire paycheck shopping, but with no money in her checking account, she worries that she could be headed for trouble. Her mom, Diane, says she's not worried, it's just Lauren's way of relaxing. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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October 31, 2005, 10:53 pm PST

where is all this guilt coming from?

 Will someone please tell me why every parent seems to feel guilty about their kids? "I have to give him things. When he asks, I just feel soooo guilty." And I swear, when these spaghetti-spined wimps say it, they all end the sentence on a whine that escalates upward. ... "I feel soooo guilty."
GET OVER THE GUILT.
The only thing your child is entitled to is your love, support and supplying of basic needs. The wants are something that should be handed out sparingly and then for good behavior.
If you're one of those parents who "feel soooo guilty (whine included)," maybe you ought to look within yourself instead of applying an external materialistic bandage to the problem.
I, for one, am sick of living in a world with spoiled, out-of-control, give-it-to-me-now kids. Ultimately, you're not the one who has to deal with the consequences of your actions now. That job goes to their fellow human beings and every time you shower guilt gifts on your kid, you're doing a disservice to other people's kids years in the future.
If you want something to feel guilty about, try feeling guilty about the defective product (your child)  you're pawning off on the rest of the world.

 

 
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October 31, 2005, 11:15 pm PST

Happy to hear it!

It is so nice to hear that overindulgence can become a problem!  I don't know if it is all the commercials on TV, just visiting your simple Walmart or Target, or what, but as a parent of three children, I am constantly feeling as though I don't give my kids enough.  I constantly want to give my kids more than they have, especially, ESPECIALLY,  at Christmas time!  There is just never enough!  However, our money and our budget only allows for so much, but I just always want to buy more for them.  Everytime I see a new "learning toy" or "creative toy" I feel like my kids need that toy, but, thankfully for my money-concious husband, we don't always spend the money on the things that I am certain my kids must have.  It is so wonderful to hear you say that kids just don't need everything that is available at our local toy store!  I often wish that we earned more money, if only we could just buy this toy...but we can'tl, and we don't have to.  We have a lot, more than many people do, it is just so hard to draw that line when we are constantly baraged with whatever the latest and greatest item is on the market that, if you want your kids to be up to pace with everyone else, they must have.  Not even just within the media, but within our own family...my husband and I chose to purchase our first home ( a major monthly expense), to put money away for our kids' college tuition, put money away for our own retirement, and for a really good cushion in our savings account should anything unexpected come up, but I find myself constantly comparing what they are able to buy for their kids that we just can't afford.  It is such a relief to know that by teaching our children that money has a value and that is not easy to come by that we are actually giving them more than any learning toy can offer.  They participate in many, many of the day to day runnings of a household, including cooking, cleaning, laundry, and simply helping out.  They get credit and actual cash value for their assistance in the runnings of our house.  They see commercials, and beg for whatever is on TV at the time, but I simply remind them that in order to obtain the things they want they must work for them, save their money, and then we can go to the store and purchase the item.  However, it just breaks me up that we don't have the money to buy for them all the things they want.   I do find hope in the fact that their working for all they obtain teaches them a lesson in life, that their father and I have painstakingly learned ourselves, that will assist them to become the kind of people we dream of them to be!  It does hurt to not give our kids all the things they want, but it does also provide them with a solid foundation of what they will face when we are no longer their primary care givers!  Thank you Dr. Phil for helping us along this difficult journey of parenthood, which gives you kids all of the love, affection, and family as you can give, but limits the amount of monetary reward all at the same time!
 
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November 1, 2005, 4:44 am PST

''What goes around, soon comes around"

This was a really easy one to read without much studying.   Older, wealthy man latches on young, blond twinky trophy wife.  Older, wealthy man lavishes young blond twinky wife with everything young blond twinky wife could possibly yearn for.   Older, wealthy man in return enjoys the - shall we say - purchased  fringe benefits from  young, blond twinky wife as long as older man peonies out the guidas on demand.  Young, blond, twinky wife learns well.   You buy your love, your attention, and your loyalty with gifts - constant gifts - just no end of gifts.  It worked for me and it will work for you my young princes. Please, I want to puke.  I guess every family ends up with one daughter or one son that just seems to live on another planet and defy logic and common sense.
This woman and her husband have decided that the rest of the family can go straight to Hell if they don't like what they are doing with their children.  I say, let them, and leave them out of your lives as much as possible and let them go on their merry way to destruction.  Like my Dad always said, there is a bottom to every well and somewhere soon the spending will have to end because there is a bottom even to this man's well.  Sometimes, holes just open up unexpectedly and entire lakes just drain away during the night.  What fun it will be when this twinky and her two spoiled brats have to exist just like the rest of us common folk. 

I cannot wait till these little brats in training  grow up.  The damage has already been irrevocably done.  My only consolation is that this blond bimbo ends up with a teenaged blond haired brat wrapped around each leg screaming that his brother's BMW is newer than his.or that one month at the French Riviera is just too short of a vacation.    

 

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November 1, 2005, 4:52 am PST

I Agree

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I think that Parker is an ungrateful kid. It is one thing to whine to get things that he wants but it is another thing that he uses his mothers illness to get those things. Really Parker, do you think that she planned on getting sick and not having anymore children just to make you lonely. Give me a break. If you were in my house, you would have a bed and a clock, AND you would be grateful for that. I think that you should take Dr. Phil's advise about using his belongings as currency. Take them all away and give one piece back at a time when he proves that he deserves them. If he is going to act like a small child than treat him like a small child. 

If he's going to act like a baby, than treat him like one.  I think Dori needs some help also.  All she did was sit a giggle.  That drove me.  She made herself look like a fool, plus to admit that the only reason he went was to see what he would get?  Nuts.  She may think her son is precious, but I found him obnoxious.
 
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November 1, 2005, 5:03 am PST

guilty?

If the mother of the ungrateful 13 yr old boy wants to ease her guilt, perhaps she should consider NOT working 60 hours a week and spending more time with her son. Perhaps what he wants is more time with his mom and then he wouldnt feel the need to have all the toys etc. to fill his time. 

 
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November 1, 2005, 6:56 am PST

What to do

 Whatever can you do when the parents just don't read off the same page where discipline and rewarding are concerned?  It's easy to say parents have to set boundaries and stick to them and support each other, but what if they just plain don't agree and  won't compromise?  Should one just step back and let the "stronger" personality assume the parenting so that the kids don't experience parents who are not a united front?  Any suggestions?  By the way, I've read most of the books.  You still need two to tango.
 
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November 1, 2005, 7:16 am PST

Moms in Denial

Wow, these mom's are in total denial about spoiling their kids.  Melissa lies and covers it up  by constantly changing her story and lying about hiding toys.  I don't think she is going to change one bit because she refuses to acknowledge that she has a problem and that her kids are going to turn out just like the other materialistic, control freak kids on the show. 

I think Parker is going to have relationship problems as he gets older.  People hate to be with someone who likes to manipulate and control them. 

Jacquie sounds like a typical teenage girl to me.  She just wants to fit in with her friends in school, but she's got to learn to be an individual and that just because everyone is wearing it, doesn't mean she should too.  She should adopt the phrase, I'm not a trend follower, more like a trend setter. 

I think these moms live in the "here and now" and don't bother to look to the future and the potential problem they are creating.  I think Dori uses guilt as an escuse to spoil her som.  Spoiling a kid is just lazyness in my eyes.  Disciplining children takes too much enery I suppose. 

 

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November 1, 2005, 7:51 am PST

Shopaholic Teen Isn't Responsible OR Level-Headed

I thought the mom whose daughter is an out-of-control shopaholic was not, as her mom kept repeating, responsible OR level-headed. If she was, she wouldn't have been on Dr. Phil with this issue! Responsible young adults don't bounce checks (3! One right after the other!) and do know how to balance their checkbooks. They don't expect everything (but their play money) to be handed to them. Are you kidding me? And that mom (all the moms, actually) needs to look in the mirror and get real with herself. She (as they all have) taught her child how to act - she set this whole problem cycle in motion early on - did you see the picture of the girl when she was younger surrounded by shopping bags??? 

  

The saddest thing of all is that all these three women (and the dads, too, they shouldn't be let off scott free) will produce are more spoiled, self-centered, egotistical, unproductive, selfish, people that the world just doesn't need. What a waste of time and resources! 

PS - In my area (mid-atlantic region) I thought it was awfully amusing (and sad) that right in the middle of this spoiled and entitled show the network aired (repeatedly) an ad for yet another Fisher-Price must-have plastic toy for children! I'm betting the first family on the show (with the two little kids) have already bought one! 

 
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November 1, 2005, 8:55 am PST

Turn around the guilt!

 I have two children who are very well aware of what the value of a dollar means.  They work for what they want and save to get it.  My very first conversation regarding the spoiled issue went like this:
Child-"I want that"
Mom-"No, you can't have it"
Child-"why not? I really want it!"
Mom-"Well, let me tell you what.  I would REALLY like for you to have it, too, but then I'm not doing my JOB as your mom.  Sorry, but if I said 'yes' to you ALL the time, you would grow up to be a spoiled brat and not appreciate anything.  I know people like that, and I do NOT want you to grow up like that because I love you too much.  It's a hard job to say "no", and I do not like it, but, again, it's my JOB, and it REALLY IS HARD for me to tell you 'no'.
Child-never brought it up again, and usually accepted 'no' for an anwer!

To me, that's a very important part of our job as parents, not to be taken lightly
 

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November 1, 2005, 9:10 am PST

I can but DON'T

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I can't wait to see what Dr. Phil has to say about this.  I have felt the entire range of emotions on this topic.  As a divorced mother of two I am not able to give my kids everything they want.  I feel guilty about that because they see a lot of their friends with all the latest "toys"  while I'm struggling just to save money to buy an x-box.  Those are expensive but thats just the x-box, the games my son wants cost about the same as a weeks worth of groceries for us.  Oh, my God he is only 7 and I am already feeling stress about his toys.  I hear this is only going to get worse.  Help!!!!!!

My husband had nothing when I married him.  He is now a self made multimillionaire due to an incredible work ethic, brains and a bit of luck.  So we ARE able to give our kids everything they want.  But we DON'T and guess what?  I do not feel one iota of guilt because I know that by not giving in to all of their material desires, I am actually taking care of them better than the ridiculous moms on this show.  It is absolutely a disservice to your children to give give give.  They couldn't possibly appreciate the value of a dollar and the work that goes on behind that money if they do not work for some of the things they want.  When humans don't ever do without they become unable to appreciate what they have.  I am not saying that you should make your children go without food for a week so that they have compassion for the hungry or wear tattered clothes so that they empathize with the poor, but they should be taught how to control their buying impulses, how to plan and save for something special.  They will have a much greater sense of achievement the day they can point to their new x-box and tell their friends, "I bought this myself!"  They should be told NO from time to time so that they get the sense that the world does not turn on their wants and desires and that sometimes they will be disappointed in life but learn that they can and do get over those disappointments.  Our girls are expected to give some of their allowance at the end of the year to a charity of their choice.  They spend a lot of time researching this every year and it means so much more for them to do this themselves with their own money so that they get a feel for sacrificing some of their own funds for the greater good of their fellow man.  They are getting practice in the art  of giving at an early age.  It would mean very little to them to know that Mom and Dad donated funds to whatever in their name.  Big deal. 

  

What we never skimp on is spending time with our kids.  They benefit from that so much more than a TV, phone, or computer in their room (not happening in our home).  We are giving them a great education and we go on some great vacations.  We allow them to play club sports (expensive) because they get great lessons in teamwork and they learn how hard you have to work to be successful.  They learn about goal setting and how you truly only get back what you are willing to give.  They get so much more out of these experiences than any material thing could ever give them.  

  

Neither daughter has ever had a designer purse or shoes.  They wear uniforms to school and have a decent but modest after school wardrobe. But you will never meet two happier teens.  They never complain or whine or demand because they learned from the very beginning that this behavior does not yield results. 

  

So next time your kid wants the latest doodad say NO but do not say   "I can't afford it."  Tell them they don't need this item but perhaps they could save their allowance or work it off by doing odd jobs for you around the house or at work...AND DON'T FEEL GUILTY!!!! 

 
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