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Created on : Friday, October 28, 2005, 02:15:29 pm
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(Original Airdate: 11/01/05) Do you know someone who is so exacting about the smallest of things that they are borderline obsessive? Dr. Phil speaks with guests whose perfectionistic  ways are destroying their relationships. Beth does everything in her power to create a "Stepford-like" existence for her family. But her husband, Tony, says, "Don't be fooled, things are not what they appear to be!" Will her façade of perfection destroy her marriage? And what toll is it taking on their children? And, Robin is prepared to give her husband, Brad, the walking papers if he doesn't stop criticizing every move she makes. Plus, a self-described controlling viewer challenges Dr. Phil! Talk about the show here.

 

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November 2, 2005, 12:36 pm PST

What about the kids?

Beth and Tony's kids are dying emotionally, somebody needs to step up and rescue them from their current situation. That is no way to raise a kid. I can't think of a sadder, lonelier existance than to be in a home lacking laughter and hugs. Beth seems nearly catatonic in her misery, Tony looks like he's keeping from falling over the edge into a nervous breakdown by his fingernails. Someone has to step up for those boys, grandma how about you until their parents are healthy enough to take over again. Lots of theories about what the problem maybe, OCD, Aspergers, sexual orientation: I'm certain Dr Phil knows but out of respect for the family's privacy choose not to reveal it and I respect him for that. 

  

Robin, I feel your pain. I was married to an engineer type, I too am more creative and fun-loving. I recall distinctly telling Gary "If you ask someone to do something for you, you'll have to accept they may not do it exactly the same way you would, if you can't accept that do it yourself" He was choking the life out of me with his controling, critical behavior, I had one foot out the door when he looked down at our infant son and asked what was wrong with the kid that he never stayed clean. Gary had this picture in his head of what having a baby would be like, little angel in a white bassinet, couldn't figure out why they seemed to poop, pee, spit up and squeal fairly regularly :-/ Just didn't fit in with his view of what life with a baby was supposed to be. By the time he started an affair I was actually relieved to have a reason to kick him out that the outside world would readily accept. Brad doesn't seem a bad sort but he's going to drive the both of you nuts with his nit-picky ways. Keep working at it, he does seem to have a good heart just wound a little too tight. 

  

Thank you to the engineers that have contributed their perspective, helps me figure what is going on with the other students in the JAVA Programming course I have to take to finish my degree. Only one other student in the group of 30 laughs when our programs blow up, the rest of them look like they're going to call the Geek police on us! We aren't working on a computer model to cure cancer for crying out loud sheesh! I have the greatest respect for y'all though I can't for the life of me figure out how your brains work, thanks for the insight :-)  

 
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November 2, 2005, 1:30 pm PST

11/01 The Stepford Family

I am marriew to a wonderful Christian guy and we have two beautiful little girls who I have the wonderful privelege to be a stay at home mom to and I will choose no other way to raise our children. My husband and I are a team meaning we work together and respect one another and one thing we try not to do is to demean/criticize the other for their efforts and style of doing things, though we are a couple, we are still two different individual, we are not puppets and we are not robots, if one doesn't like the way the other does something, well guess what, instead of complaining the one who has a problem will just have to be the one to step up and do it, My husband washes and irons his own dress clothes, Why? because he is very particualar, he was on his own til the age of 26 and has developed his own style therefore instead of bickering at me to do it HIS way, he is quite capable of doing it him self. He is the procrastinator between the two of us, I will ask him once to do something and give him plenty of time to do it, if it isn't done by the time it needs to be done, well, I will do it and if for some reason, I can't, I will find some one who will and believe me, it works wonders. No marriage is perfect but when the two works together and respects each other then life can be fun and happy. To the perfectionist husband, why not come home and tell your wife that you love her and appreciate her for being your wife, for staying home and taking care of the home and family, and maybe offer to help out on things, maybe quit criticizing and start appreciating, it does wonders in my house. My husband is also the perfectionist in the home but he has learned to accept the fact that I do not do things the way he does becasue I am not him, I am his wife and he is my husband,we are not to be bullied by the other to fit into a certain mold, couples need to accept one another as their own unique person. I know myself, and if my husbnad came home and snubbed his nose at the way I do things and if he commented on how bad of a job I was doing as his wife, you bet, I would cop up " a do it yourself attitude"! Most stay at home mom's work just as hard as the spouse and to come home and basically bully the wife is nonsense and just plain wrong and I am talking about husband with wonderful hard working wives who does their part in keeping up the home and taking care of the children. being a mom and home maker is a full time job and some of us do not even know what day time tv is, other then Dr. Phil of course, and I don't even watch him any more, I read it. Marriage is a wonderful and beautiful partnership not a dictatorship.
 
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November 2, 2005, 2:12 pm PST

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After seeing the Stepford Family show I came to the message board just to see if anyone caught on that Brad may, indeed, have Aspergers Syndrome. I lived with an Asperger spouse for 10 years before I realized that he lived in a different world and that I wasn't crazy. My epiphany came only after my six-year-old son was diagnosed with Aspergers. While people with Aspergers do have many wonderful traits, their spouses often feel like they are emotionally, physically and spiritually bankrupt. I finally had to leave when I became incredibly self-destructive and I realized that my ex would never change. I'd love to know why Dr. Phil hasn't done a show on Asperger spouses? There are so many people suffering, unaware that their spouse is neurologically wired to think differently.  

I'm not a spouse so I don't have anyone to drive over the edge ;-) but, on a side note, I would like to see Dr. Phil do a show on Asperger's, period. 

  

I can imagine how hard it must be for spouses-of-Asperger's (having watched my mother manage my dad for so long) but please keep in mind that Asperger's is very hard on the Asperger's person, too, especially when they finally start to realize how different they are.  I'm 28 and have never been in a serious relationship.  I don't NEED a relationship--I like myself fine as I am--but I definitely feel like an alien.  The worst part is that it's not an illness so I can't just fix myself or psychoanalyze my way out.  We're not emotionally bankrupt at all, we just don't know how to tell you otherwise.  It's incredibly lonely.   

 
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November 2, 2005, 2:34 pm PST

The stepford family

It was obvious to me Tony has the need to controll his environment and is obsessed with cleanleness.  It is my opinion that before that family can be fixed, Tony needs to acknowledge his symptoms and recognize there is a deeper problem lurking beneath.  What happened to Tony to create this behavoir?  Once he can realize why he does what he feels the need to do, he can decide if he wishes to change his needs to suit his familys life style or if he would be happyer living in his own environment, run,cleaned and controlled, by him and the way he requires it. 

  

Some people prefer to accept their behavior and live in their own controlled environment.  The pay off may be that they can feel safe, feel like they have accomplished their goals and have control of at least one thing in this world that, is constantly taking our control away.   

  

The down fall is that he will have to come out at some point or let someone in at some point if he wants any companionship.  His choice, his life, his world. 

  

I also have to wonder if Tony displayed this behavior prior to marriage or if it evolved as marriage went along.  The answer to this question may be key in determining, how, when and where. 

  

  

 
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November 2, 2005, 2:55 pm PST

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Hello to all who can relate to this topic. Oh where do I begin. I am 22 years old and i am involved with a total perfectionist. I have been in a relationship with my boyfriend for three years now and feel like I'm going to break. I relate to this on so many different levels that it scares me! Nothing is ever good enough for my boyfriend from the way I do my job, to how I clean our house and down to the way I fold his laundry. I question myself alot and at times wonder why I do not strive to be as perfect as he tries to be. But I am learning now that it is a sickness. My boyfriend was diagnosed with Panic attacks 2 year and half years ago and I have been there for him every step of the way. Trying to support him and understand why he is the way he is. But it has gotten so difficult that I am feeling drained and hurt by him in our relationship. Why cant he see that I love him and I do try my hardest at everything I do. I have lost myself in this whole fiasco and in the process he has established a hate for me. Everything that I do annoys him because I'm not doing it right in his eyes! I want my hardest to make this relationship work! I have never wanted something so bad in my life but part of that reason being is I feel like if I give up I'm giving up on him. That I didn't try my hardest, that I fell short once again and proving him oh so right. I'm really confused on where to go from here so any advice would be greatly appreciated!  

 
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November 2, 2005, 3:59 pm PST

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Hello to all who can relate to this topic. Oh where do I begin. I am 22 years old and i am involved with a total perfectionist. I have been in a relationship with my boyfriend for three years now and feel like I'm going to break. I relate to this on so many different levels that it scares me! Nothing is ever good enough for my boyfriend from the way I do my job, to how I clean our house and down to the way I fold his laundry. I question myself alot and at times wonder why I do not strive to be as perfect as he tries to be. But I am learning now that it is a sickness. My boyfriend was diagnosed with Panic attacks 2 year and half years ago and I have been there for him every step of the way. Trying to support him and understand why he is the way he is. But it has gotten so difficult that I am feeling drained and hurt by him in our relationship. Why cant he see that I love him and I do try my hardest at everything I do. I have lost myself in this whole fiasco and in the process he has established a hate for me. Everything that I do annoys him because I'm not doing it right in his eyes! I want my hardest to make this relationship work! I have never wanted something so bad in my life but part of that reason being is I feel like if I give up I'm giving up on him. That I didn't try my hardest, that I fell short once again and proving him oh so right. I'm really confused on where to go from here so any advice would be greatly appreciated!  

you are not the one with the problem. You are so young, ask yourself, what is it that you want in a spouse and how do you want to be treated as a spouse? You cannot change him and you do not have to live with him and put up with being degraded. If he cannot accept you for who you are and for the positive things that you have to offer then I would suggest that you get up and leave otherwise you wii continue to be miserable and your self esteem will continue to go down hill, no one is worth staying with when they casue you pain and disconfort, unless he gets help and decides to change then things will only get worse, stand up for your self. If you end up marrying this guy, he will continue to tear you apart and chances are things will get worse, get out while you can, you have life and it shouldn't have to involve trying to please him and feeling like a failure, what is it that you want to dow ith your life? What are your dreams and goals for life? Is it to be somebody who can make a difference and some one who enjoys life to the fullest and looks forward tt tomorrow and the future? If so, I am sorry but this guy will not help you make those things happen? Look at whee this relationship has gotten you so far? Are you happy with your self? Are you happy with your relationship? Do you see your self being happy and successful in the future? Being a perfectionist is one thing but to try to force some one else to live within their mold is just wrong and it isn't fair to you, you deserve to be happy and to fullfill your dreams and to be successful, don't let this guy beat you down, it isn't worth it. Sometimes love means to let go, if he loves and cares for you, then he will seek the help and strive to change and he will respect and appreciate you. You have to decide what you want for your life and then go for it.
 
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November 2, 2005, 5:11 pm PST

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I respect what you are saying regarding taking care of yourself and showing respect by doing what you can to please your spouses needs.  But my experience with an engineer husband (to save on time I will only respond to the examples you've used in your statements and not my own numerous ones) is this. . .tools.  "Return them, you're not a teenager who uses such an excuse."  Well, are you perfect?  Don't you forget things once in a while?  Do you have children at home, phone calls etc that can easily distract your attention from such a minor thing as forgetting to return the screwdriver?  Or your statement "Let her get her own tools. . ." Again, this is only my experience, but whenever I do something of that nature, my husband would be very angry at me because he would see it as a waste of $ and that why buy your own set when we already have a perfectly good set. It's not worth the battle.  Yes, "we each deserve our own things and own space".  But the controller doesn't always see it that way.  THAT'S the problem. 

And last but not least. . ."she married him.  He hasn't changed that much. . .did she marry by mail etc. . ."  When I met my husband, he put on a pretty good face, and hid most of what he controlled.  As time went on, the situation changed (children, mortgage, etc. . .) and even though I had a pretty good idea of what it would be like in a marriage, I didn't realize how extreme it would get.  It just magnified with each new challenge or change.  \ 

An example. . .to figure out how he would be as a father. . . besides having discussions about it (a man of few words), I would watch him with his neices and nephews.  He was carefree, sweet etc and still is. . .to the outside world.  In his own house w/own kids, he is a complete control freak.  A loving father w/good intentions, but FAR too controlling.  Who could see this until he fathered his own children??? 

With all due respect, that sounds like a lot of excuses for why you don't just return the man's stuff. Leave yourself a post-it if you need to. Write it on your hand. Use a marker and put it on the TV screen - but find a way to remember to just return the stuff. I don't like people taking my things and not returning them. No one does. And if it's a habit, it's a darned annoying one. Sure, people get distracted and forget things. But lots of us have to find ways to overcome that. As a teacher I just can't 'forget' to monitor my students, or do the marking, or get them on the right bus in the evening. I have to find ways to manage that. I think, in this case, you need to find a better way to manage too.
 
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November 2, 2005, 5:15 pm PST

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I'm the big girl who was on today's show. (Robin) Yep, the big redhead. A few facts that weren't explored on today's episode: 

  

-- Half of the tools on that board are MINE. I bought them prior to our marriage. It doesn't matter -- if it's a tool, Brad has imminent domain. 

  

-- I do many of the "quick fixes" around the house. If I use MY OWN TOOLS -- or leave them out overnight -- Brad gets mad. 

  

--  I bought a special set of jewelry pliers to use for small work. He confiscated those and put them on the board too. (Look closely, they are the little bitty outlines on the left of the board.) 

  

-- Yes I am an artsy type, and somewhat scatter-brained. That doesn't mean I'm disrespectful or rude. I try to give everyone around me the benefit of a doubt. 

  

--robin 

Well, I do think you need your own set of tools and if that means locking them away in your very own tool chest - then do it! Put a big lock on a metal tool box and keep your own stuff in there. Maybe it'll cause a little hassle at first - my husband doesn't like that I keep my own needles, thread and scissors locked away but hey! we all need our own space and our own stuff. Even homeless people have 'stuff' [and they often don't take well to other people rummaging in it.]
 
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November 2, 2005, 5:19 pm PST

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I'm not a spouse so I don't have anyone to drive over the edge ;-) but, on a side note, I would like to see Dr. Phil do a show on Asperger's, period. 

  

I can imagine how hard it must be for spouses-of-Asperger's (having watched my mother manage my dad for so long) but please keep in mind that Asperger's is very hard on the Asperger's person, too, especially when they finally start to realize how different they are.  I'm 28 and have never been in a serious relationship.  I don't NEED a relationship--I like myself fine as I am--but I definitely feel like an alien.  The worst part is that it's not an illness so I can't just fix myself or psychoanalyze my way out.  We're not emotionally bankrupt at all, we just don't know how to tell you otherwise.  It's incredibly lonely.   

I would definitely watch a show on Aspergers! I've tuaght a couple of children with Aspergers and they have been absolutely fascinating [and at times exasperating] people I've ever met. The rules, rules, rules, rules!!! A rule for everything - and never any flexibility for rule changes. But the bright minds so focused on one or two topics - amazing. I would really like to see some examples of people with Aspergers who are married or who have their own children. That has to be SO difficult for all involved. I don't know how they manage it, but I'd love to find out.
 
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November 2, 2005, 6:31 pm PST

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There is a bi polar message board as well as a depression message board with wonderful caring people who have a similar situation as your own.  They will be able to offer you advise and comfort. 

    I just couldnt move on in the page without sending a reply. First I am a little confused as to how a 3 year old can have a diagnosis of bipolar disorder, arent all toddlers a little moody at times? 

 Have you obtained a second opinion? Is there a significant family history? So many questions. I would be afraid of attaching such a label to such a young child. I guess the best advice I could offer is to continue with doing some research of your own and dont trust everything you read on the net. Ask a medical proffessional if they can offer you some more information that is proven by research. Dont forget to look after yourself either, you will need support by others. take care. 

 
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