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Topic : 12/30 The Stepford Family

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Created on : Friday, October 28, 2005, 02:15:29 pm
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(Original Airdate: 11/01/05) Do you know someone who is so exacting about the smallest of things that they are borderline obsessive? Dr. Phil speaks with guests whose perfectionistic  ways are destroying their relationships. Beth does everything in her power to create a "Stepford-like" existence for her family. But her husband, Tony, says, "Don't be fooled, things are not what they appear to be!" Will her façade of perfection destroy her marriage? And what toll is it taking on their children? And, Robin is prepared to give her husband, Brad, the walking papers if he doesn't stop criticizing every move she makes. Plus, a self-described controlling viewer challenges Dr. Phil! Talk about the show here.

 

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November 1, 2005, 9:43 pm PST

I can relate to how he might be feeling...

Quote From: robin_k

This is Robin, who was on the show today. Brad and I are in marriage counseling. He was not happy after the Dr. Phil Show taping, he felt "ambushed." I watched the show and thought it was edited very fairly. Brad says he will watch it "sometime," but not now. Doing the show was definitely an additional challenge for our marriage.

I am very grateful that my wife, Kelly, recorded the show for me to what when I got home from work tonight. I sympathize for both of you; Kelly and I are paddling in the same stream not far off from where you appear to be. 

  

Grant 

 
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November 1, 2005, 9:51 pm PST

Encouragement to Beth

I've never even been to this web site before today but felt like I wouldn't be able to sleep tonight if I didn't say something about the segment on Tony & Beth's situation.  I related to their struggles and hers in particular as an imperfect mother myself.  I just felt like I needed to share what I've found recently that has possibly saved my life as well as my relationship with my patient husband and my children's futures.  Along with Dr. Phil's Family First book having a lot to offer me, I recently came across a book written back in the sixties called Children: The Challenge, by Rudolf Dreikurs M.D.  I have only had the book for a week and a half and haven't even finished it and it has as I mentioned saved my life!  This book is like no other child rearing book I've ever come across.  I studied child development in college (as my major) and it throws everything I learned out the window!  It works and will make your life 90% easier and your children will respond.  It's easy and entertaining reading for all of you mothers that feel like I do that I don't have time to read.   

  

Beth - DON'T GIVE UP!!!  Anyone who realizes how much work it is to try to do all your doing to get that impossible, impeccable family can see how much you love that darling family you have!  Give the book a try.  It has made my life and child raising so much easier!  I was doing things the hard way and I saw a lot of myself in you today on the show.  All my best to you! 

  

PS- I thought Dr. Phil was a little harsh with you, not pointing out that you're trying your best to do all of what you do for your family's sake!  Don't let it get to you- all of us mothers understand.  We're going through the same thing.  The pressure is unimaginable-that book will absolutely change your world!   Read it!   

 
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November 1, 2005, 9:52 pm PST

Wow - that was pretty good

Quote From: selcotracy

You ask why engineers seem to think there is only one way to do things and have an incessant need to share the right way with people.  I am an engineer.  My husband is an engineer.  We met in an engineering class in college.  It gets better.  We own an engineering firm, and we their work together with 40 other engineers.  In college engineers have it beaten into their heads that there is only one way to do things: the Professors.  That the answer doesn’t count unless you show all the steps: So the result doesn’t matter its how you get there.  I have seen engineering professor’s give a student 80% credit for the wrong answer where you show the steps and 10% for the right answer when not showing the steps.  It flies in the face of reason because you think of engineers as being innovative and creative in their designs, but engineering school is designed to make them conform to a ridge non-creative standard.  For some they just can’t let go of the rigidness of college.  This is one reason that many engineers that graduate with straight A’s aren’t able to adapt to engineering outside of the university.  If you want an engineer that can display creativity, look for one that graduates with a C+ or B- average, they are the ones the professor’s couldn’t beat the creativity out of. 

  

Hope this explains some of why we are the way we are. 

As an engineer I think your assessment of who we are and why is very accurate. I hadn't thought of it in the same terms that you have put it in here, but I agree completely. I feels very nice to be understood. 

 
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November 1, 2005, 9:56 pm PST

Oh, I love the title of this song . . .

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I missed the first few minutes of the show today. Once I got into it I remembered an email I got from a friend a couple of days ago. There was a song attached that would have been a GREAT theme song for the show. 

  

"IT'S HARD TO KISS THE LIPS AT NIGHT THAT CHEW YOUR ASS OUT ALL DAY LONG"  by The Notorious Cherry Bombs 2004 

 

 

Great show!  I was in a controlling relationship for 5 yrs. My New Years resolution for 2005 was to take back control of my life. The first thing I did was to get out of the relationship. Instead of feeling sorry for myself I focused on ME. I started to eat properly & take better care of my health... excerise more.... I lost  35lbs in 4 months.   It was best thing I've done for myself in a very long time.    

The only question is: Is there time to cross-stitch it and have it framed before Christmas?! (Only 55 shopping (and stitching) days left . . .) Thanks for sharing this. It gave me the best laugh I've had for weeks. 

 
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November 1, 2005, 10:45 pm PST

So right on!

I had to call my neice to make sure she was watching todays (Nov 1) show. Her life has been a living hell the last several years because her husband just won't "let it go." He even tells her not to laugh!!! And I agree with the suggestion that the first woman on the show today is gay and doesn't know it. How can anyone go through life thinking that it is OK to be THAT miserable!?!?! Hopefully through the help Dr. Phil offered she will quit trying to fit a square peg in a round hole and move on. That poor guy.
 
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November 1, 2005, 10:48 pm PST

Beth

Have just seen the show on the stepford family today.  Had seen the picture on the web site and thought that was two men sitting at the table.  I think some of you might be right about her.  Why bother going there if you ain't going to be honest with the doctor.  Seems a waste of time to me.  Maybe you guys are right and she is a lesbian.   

  

 
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November 1, 2005, 11:10 pm PST

Wow!! Thank you. . .

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Hi -- I'm Robin, the big redheaded chick who was on the show today. I feel for you so much, being married to an engineer can be really hard on your self esteem. Eight years ago I decided that I couldn't change him, but I could change me. I've been seeing the same counselor, off and on, since then. I can't tell you it has been easy, but today it's much clearer to me what I am and am not responsible for.  Is there is any way you can -- maybe through your church or synagogue? -- try to find a good counselor to help you through this rocky time? . . . you're not alone. . . my heart really goes out to you. 

for your reply!  I JUST got done having a one hour discussion with him on this topic.  I didn't show him any of my responses (by the way I responded to the one about the tools at the same time as your response to it was written!), but showed him what many of the others who responded were feeling, and that it wasn't just me.  Because, as you know, you tend to feel like you're the one who's crazy.  And isn't it sad that I was hesitant to show him my responses for fear of what his reaction would be 'exposing' him to the public?! 

But, we did have a good talk and I hope something does come of it.  He is considering, and has asked me to line up counseling.  I explained that I'm not blaming him or trying to make him feel bad.  I just think we need help. 

One more thing I have to tell you that I think is so funny!  Just to let you know how much your story struck a cord with me. . .two things:  #1, I have never in my 38 years written on a message board, and #2, When I was watching the show in my living room, I was holding my near 2 year old trying to 'buy time' so I could hear your story by reading him a book.  When your husband said he was an engineer, I literally SCREAMED at the top of my lungs.  It came out unexpectedly.  But I've been trying so hard to connect with someone that understands, and not many of the people around me do.  It's not something easy to get from the outside.  Do you think? 

Thank you so much for doing the show, and thank your husband.  As the wife of an engineer, I know how HUGE that was!!!   WOW!!! 

Jen 

P.S.  You said in the tool response that you are 'artsy'. . .how funny!  I graduated from college with an Art Education degree, and am considered somewhat flighty and very carefree too!!!  I also tend to be somewhat forgetful, but am also extremely caring to the people around me. I think we need to chat off line sometime.  What do you think? 

 

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November 1, 2005, 11:34 pm PST

Good for you, Beth!

I'm a 37 year-old mother of two and a professional woman.  About a year ago, I was close to where Beth is now.  The balls I'd been juggling were starting to hit the ground.   

  

Beth, hang in there -- in retrospect, I can honestly say it was the best that happened to me.  I was forced to rely on my husband in a way I never had before, and it was awesome.   Before that time, you couldn't have convinced me that anyone but me could have helped me manage anything.  But when I let my husband love me the way he had been dying to for years -- and the way it seems like your husband really wants to love you -- it was like the world opened up to me.  I was also finally able to start having more fun with my children when I realized that I was exactly the mom they wanted and deserved.  It seemed so ironic -- but the less "value" I tried to "deliver" to my husband and children through doing things for them, the more value I actually gave them in just hanging out and being me. 

  

Beth, take the help Dr. Phil is offering and dig in!  He's absolutely right that it's going to be hard and scary.  But it's absolutely worth it.    

 
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November 1, 2005, 11:36 pm PST

No, Dr Phil knows and I think she knows too

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I just think he wanted her to out herself.  It was obviously too devastating for her.  I think her intention was to take the big step and do this on national tv but ultimately couldn't go through with it.  I wish Dr. Phil would have more balls in this area.  The Stepford family angle is a great one and I think there are a whole host of issues that people use to cover up being gay or lesbian including perfectionism, religious zealotry (push it down, push it down), obsessive focus on career, amongst others.   

  

Dr. Phil is so willing to call a spade a spade in other situations but weenies out when it comes to gay/lesbian issues.  Like the sisters who didn't get along a couple of week's back because one was religious and the other was gay.  When the religious sister said "You don't have to announce your sexuality with everything you do" or something to that effect.  I was SCREAMING at the TV going but YOU DO THIS TOO!  I was so hoping Dr. Phil would say well you've told us you were married to a man, you have children by a man, you wear a wedding ring, etc etc.  Straight people announce their straightness all the time and it's perfectly acceptable.  By doing the simple things that straight people take for granted, bringing a partner home for holiday dinner for example, gay people are told they are "announcing," or "declaring their sexuality to all," or worse "flaunting their gayness."   

  

Dr. Phil please grow some juevos and treat gay and lesbian issues like you do everything else - you should have asked Beth how being in the closet was working for her. 

  

Cory 

Just watched the show.  I am sure Dr. Phil knew the whole time and it was very interesting how he really wanted her to come out with it all, but she was too scared.  The "I know what is going on and I know you know" conversation left me with an insinuation that there was some prior discussion of it before the taping but she just did not have the courage to come out with it on TV.  It was amazing to see what a severely damaged individual Tony was and couldn't fathom him living through 17 years of this torture.  He should have walked away on his own and I wonder what was left for him to love or try to love, but can also see the same in myself trying to find the elusive miracle to reignite a flame in my ill-fated marriage.  How does he not see this himself when it is so obvious?  The miracle that occurred for me was that my wife discovered this in herself, I have accepted it, and now we are both free.  I can only wish the same for Tony and Beth. 
 
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November 2, 2005, 3:35 am PST

Thanks Grant

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As an engineer I think your assessment of who we are and why is very accurate. I hadn't thought of it in the same terms that you have put it in here, but I agree completely. I feels very nice to be understood. 

Grant,

I've been a Dr. Phil fan since his second season.  I have noticed that we engineers are getting a reputation on the show lately.  I wanted to explain why the way we get to the end is as important as the end itself.  Maybe if people understand where we are starting from they can better understand us.  I actually picked up on the beating the creativity out of us while still in college.  My husband resisted their attempts he is one of those that C+ students that they couldn't get the creativity out of and he is the best engineer I have ever worked with.  I'll be off going the long way around something and he just walks in listens for a few minutes and points out the most direct route.  We have been married for 20 years.  We are the best of friends.  It works for us.

BTW I hope you and Kelly are doing well.  It broke my heart to read the boards after your show.  I knew you had the potential to change, I hope you have and that your marriage is getting stronger.  Tracy
 
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