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Topic : 12/30 The Stepford Family

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Created on : Friday, October 28, 2005, 02:15:29 pm
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(Original Airdate: 11/01/05) Do you know someone who is so exacting about the smallest of things that they are borderline obsessive? Dr. Phil speaks with guests whose perfectionistic  ways are destroying their relationships. Beth does everything in her power to create a "Stepford-like" existence for her family. But her husband, Tony, says, "Don't be fooled, things are not what they appear to be!" Will her façade of perfection destroy her marriage? And what toll is it taking on their children? And, Robin is prepared to give her husband, Brad, the walking papers if he doesn't stop criticizing every move she makes. Plus, a self-described controlling viewer challenges Dr. Phil! Talk about the show here.

 

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November 1, 2005, 7:43 pm PST

Beths "perfect hair"

Someone needs to tell Beth her hair is NOT perfect 

 
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November 1, 2005, 8:02 pm PST

I couldn't resist . . .

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I'm with you on this one. If you know it bothers someone when you borrow their stuff and don't return it - then common courtesy would say either don't borrow the stuff or return it when you do. Would you treat someone you care about like this? I wouldn't! Do you think she treats other people like this or does she reserve this disrespect and rudeness for her husband?  

  

She's a big girl. Let her get her own tools if she really wants some. Or maybe she could borrow from a neighbour and torture him/her for awhile.  


We each deserve our own things and our own space. What if he took HER stuff and messed it up, or lost it? She's be whining on Dr. Phil about that.  

  

Sure this guy seems a bit obsessive [I wonder if he's been tested for Aspergers but she married him. He hasn't changed that much from what I can see. Did she marry him through the mail? By proxy?  

  

I did think that if the guy gets angered by 'improper vacuuming', one solution to his anger might be to put on some headphones, play a little good music and vacuum the house himself. There's nothing that relieves stress like a little productive exercise.  

I'm the big girl who was on today's show. (Robin) Yep, the big redhead. A few facts that weren't explored on today's episode: 

  

-- Half of the tools on that board are MINE. I bought them prior to our marriage. It doesn't matter -- if it's a tool, Brad has imminent domain. 

  

-- I do many of the "quick fixes" around the house. If I use MY OWN TOOLS -- or leave them out overnight -- Brad gets mad. 

  

--  I bought a special set of jewelry pliers to use for small work. He confiscated those and put them on the board too. (Look closely, they are the little bitty outlines on the left of the board.) 

  

-- Yes I am an artsy type, and somewhat scatter-brained. That doesn't mean I'm disrespectful or rude. I try to give everyone around me the benefit of a doubt. 

  

--robin 

 
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November 1, 2005, 8:11 pm PST

True, but could there be more. . .

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I can understand why your brain is stuck in the Engineer mode. This is what you do probably most of your waking hours. As a person that takes an Engineer's schematic or drawing and brings it to a three dimensional form. You know as well as I do how often the schematic or drawing needs to be red lined. Sometimes the math just does not work or is incorrect. Maybe if you just conceder the changes to your behavior as red lining yourself, then you will be able to not have the anger when things at home are not just as your mind thinks they should be.

My experience w/engineers is that they went into this field because of the way they look at the world.  In other words, I think there is a possibility that it is genetic.  Something passed on.  I have 4 children, and already one of them (currently 6 years old) has shown strong signs of thinking the way his engineer father does.  His father isn't around enough for me to believe that it was an environmental influence, but if so, why isn't the 10 year old (different dad, but has been 'fathered' by engineer since birth.  By the way, she's just like her biological father who she sees 3, 4 days a month) like him, or the 5 year old?  I believe there are strong tendancies from birth towards this way of thinking (my 6 year old would obsessively sort things before he could talk; I had him checked for Aspbergers at 2 where the professionals said that they see alot of children like this with an 'engineer parent'; he was average or below in speaking, reading, socializing etc. . .but when it comes to his math skills he blows his teachers away!  He is extremely particular about peculiar things.).   

But I can see how the reward system you've described with your example of the grading system can furthur imbed this way of thinking.   

  

P.S.  It's funny, but I can tell by the way some of these messages are written which people know or have lived with an engineer, and which ones haven't!!!  They truely are a different breed :-)  and certainly have much to contribute to the world! 

 
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November 1, 2005, 8:19 pm PST

I feel for you

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I can't tell you how refreshing it is to read these words that came from someone elses mouth other than my own!!!  You've stated exactly how I feel, and what I'm going through!  My situation. . . I am an artist, my husband an engineer.  I've been with him on and off for 18 years.  I'VE NEVER SEEN HIM CRY, EVEN AT HIS OWN FATHERS BOUT W/CANCER, NOR AT HIS FUNERAL!!!  There is so much to tell, where do I start.  I'll get to the current situation.  Due to a recent move (which he was VERY much nervous about choosing), he has found himself extremely stressed out (bigger bills, not having a 'perfect' product ie. . .the paint job, the flooring etc. . .).  So stressed that his health HAS been affected.  He now has a low white blood cell count.  Yet he continues without getting professional help.  The rest of us, myself and our 4 children, tiptoe around him and walk on eggshells.  IT SUCKS!!!!  If any of us laugh, he looks at us like we're weird.  If I ask him out, or to do something fun, he finds something to complain about (ie. . ."Did you know that glass of wine was $7.00?!?!?"  Even when I only had one, and we RARELY go out!)  I can't take it!  It kills me to see it affecting the kids!  I want him to get help SO badly, and have for years.  But he can't justify spending the time and money on such a thing when he can hardly even see that there is a problem.  I don't know what to do, and I really need help!  I don't want to raise my children without a father whether it is due to his killing himself over being a perfectionist/controller, or my leaving him, or even just not being present for the fun wonderful things that children do!  HELP!!!! 

Does anyone have advice for getting help for someone who doesn't want it and resists it at all costs? 

-Sincerely, 

Desperate 

Hi -- I'm Robin, the big redheaded chick who was on the show today. I feel for you so much, being married to an engineer can be really hard on your self esteem. Eight years ago I decided that I couldn't change him, but I could change me. I've been seeing the same counselor, off and on, since then. I can't tell you it has been easy, but today it's much clearer to me what I am and am not responsible for.  Is there is any way you can -- maybe through your church or synagogue? -- try to find a good counselor to help you through this rocky time? . . . you're not alone. . . my heart really goes out to you. 

 
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November 1, 2005, 8:24 pm PST

Hi Grant --

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Brad and Robin, 

I look forward to seeing the show this afternoon when it airs in Arizona. 

I have been labeled an inventory taking, checklist making overly critical engineer. 

I am interested to follow the message board for this show and hear what either of might have  

to offer from the experience.  

  

Grant. 

This is Robin, who was on the show today. Brad and I are in marriage counseling. He was not happy after the Dr. Phil Show taping, he felt "ambushed." I watched the show and thought it was edited very fairly. Brad says he will watch it "sometime," but not now. Doing the show was definitely an additional challenge for our marriage.
 
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November 1, 2005, 8:35 pm PST

Only saw one segment

"The Stepford Façade" 

 

 

I really feel for Beth, completely wringing herself inside-out over such unimportant things.  She must be so numb with pain and exhaustion. 

 
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November 1, 2005, 8:40 pm PST

Don't get it. . .

Quote From: druidcanuk

I'm with you on this one. If you know it bothers someone when you borrow their stuff and don't return it - then common courtesy would say either don't borrow the stuff or return it when you do. Would you treat someone you care about like this? I wouldn't! Do you think she treats other people like this or does she reserve this disrespect and rudeness for her husband?  

  

She's a big girl. Let her get her own tools if she really wants some. Or maybe she could borrow from a neighbour and torture him/her for awhile.  


We each deserve our own things and our own space. What if he took HER stuff and messed it up, or lost it? She's be whining on Dr. Phil about that.  

  

Sure this guy seems a bit obsessive [I wonder if he's been tested for Aspergers but she married him. He hasn't changed that much from what I can see. Did she marry him through the mail? By proxy?  

  

I did think that if the guy gets angered by 'improper vacuuming', one solution to his anger might be to put on some headphones, play a little good music and vacuum the house himself. There's nothing that relieves stress like a little productive exercise.  

I respect what you are saying regarding taking care of yourself and showing respect by doing what you can to please your spouses needs.  But my experience with an engineer husband (to save on time I will only respond to the examples you've used in your statements and not my own numerous ones) is this. . .tools.  "Return them, you're not a teenager who uses such an excuse."  Well, are you perfect?  Don't you forget things once in a while?  Do you have children at home, phone calls etc that can easily distract your attention from such a minor thing as forgetting to return the screwdriver?  Or your statement "Let her get her own tools. . ." Again, this is only my experience, but whenever I do something of that nature, my husband would be very angry at me because he would see it as a waste of $ and that why buy your own set when we already have a perfectly good set. It's not worth the battle.  Yes, "we each deserve our own things and own space".  But the controller doesn't always see it that way.  THAT'S the problem. 

And last but not least. . ."she married him.  He hasn't changed that much. . .did she marry by mail etc. . ."  When I met my husband, he put on a pretty good face, and hid most of what he controlled.  As time went on, the situation changed (children, mortgage, etc. . .) and even though I had a pretty good idea of what it would be like in a marriage, I didn't realize how extreme it would get.  It just magnified with each new challenge or change.  \ 

An example. . .to figure out how he would be as a father. . . besides having discussions about it (a man of few words), I would watch him with his neices and nephews.  He was carefree, sweet etc and still is. . .to the outside world.  In his own house w/own kids, he is a complete control freak.  A loving father w/good intentions, but FAR too controlling.  Who could see this until he fathered his own children??? 

 
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November 1, 2005, 8:42 pm PST

cool show

 i hope she gets some help i feel bad for her husband, he loves her so much.
 
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November 1, 2005, 9:16 pm PST

Follow up

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I'm the big girl who was on today's show. (Robin) Yep, the big redhead. A few facts that weren't explored on today's episode: 

  

-- Half of the tools on that board are MINE. I bought them prior to our marriage. It doesn't matter -- if it's a tool, Brad has imminent domain. 

  

-- I do many of the "quick fixes" around the house. If I use MY OWN TOOLS -- or leave them out overnight -- Brad gets mad. 

  

--  I bought a special set of jewelry pliers to use for small work. He confiscated those and put them on the board too. (Look closely, they are the little bitty outlines on the left of the board.) 

  

-- Yes I am an artsy type, and somewhat scatter-brained. That doesn't mean I'm disrespectful or rude. I try to give everyone around me the benefit of a doubt. 

  

--robin 

Robin, I am dying to know how you and your husband have reacted to the airing of the show. Did you feel well represented? How did your husband react to the show? Did he feel understood? I am sure that the show was actually taped a few weeks ago so how has life been for you guys since then? Did your husband feel like Dr. Phil had some valid comments? Did he ever feel like DR. Phil did not give some of his concerns enough attention? Did you feel validated from the show?  My husband and I were recently on the show as well and my husband is an "engineer" too. We were dying watching the show as we have many of the same issues.  I noticed posts making suggestions here and there and they are often insightful. But when you look at the big picture, it is difficult because of the over all general feeling of discontent your husband portrays? Just a guess. Just wondering how things are going for you. From one  wife to another I applaud your efforts. It takes courage! Kelly 

 

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November 1, 2005, 9:38 pm PST

Finally someone gets it

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Brad seems sooo similar to my husband (unemotional, very logical, neat freak, odd mannerisms, tech savy, etc.)... We're in the process of trying to have my husband evaluated for Asperger's for the reasons listed up above and a whole lot more. I just thought that it might be helpful to have Brad evaluated for the same. I truely sympathize with Robin, because it's tough being married to someone who says that they care, but rarely smiles, laughs or just relaxes long enough to be carefree. It's been a true struggle for our family and my thoughts are with you Robin! 

  

After seeing the Stepford Family show I came to the message board just to see if anyone caught on that Brad may, indeed, have Aspergers Syndrome. I lived with an Asperger spouse for 10 years before I realized that he lived in a different world and that I wasn't crazy. My epiphany came only after my six-year-old son was diagnosed with Aspergers. While people with Aspergers do have many wonderful traits, their spouses often feel like they are emotionally, physically and spiritually bankrupt. I finally had to leave when I became incredibly self-destructive and I realized that my ex would never change. I'd love to know why Dr. Phil hasn't done a show on Asperger spouses? There are so many people suffering, unaware that their spouse is neurologically wired to think differently.  

 
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