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Created on : Friday, October 28, 2005, 02:15:29 pm
Author : DrPhilBoard1

(Original Airdate: 11/01/05) Do you know someone who is so exacting about the smallest of things that they are borderline obsessive? Dr. Phil speaks with guests whose perfectionistic  ways are destroying their relationships. Beth does everything in her power to create a "Stepford-like" existence for her family. But her husband, Tony, says, "Don't be fooled, things are not what they appear to be!" Will her façade of perfection destroy her marriage? And what toll is it taking on their children? And, Robin is prepared to give her husband, Brad, the walking papers if he doesn't stop criticizing every move she makes. Plus, a self-described controlling viewer challenges Dr. Phil! Talk about the show here.

 

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December 31, 2005, 4:00 pm PST

Respectfully Disagree About Change

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Brad shows some of the classic signs of Asperger Syndrome, which is a type of autism. Many people with Asperger syndrome, which is far more common in males, have excellent "technical" intelligence and math skills.  

  

Some have truly remarkable abilities to concentrate and produce facts that "normal" people would find completely inexplicable.  

  

In almost all cases such men have the almost complete inability to read body language and understand the emotions of others, particularly their spouses. Brad is such a person. He finds it almost unbearable to have any disorder in his life. Any variation from his own orderly processes is painful.  

  

I saw this clearly in the show today. In some ways I'm surprised the Dr. Phil did not also make this diagnosis. More likely he did, but just didn't want to publicly come out with it.  

  

As a physician, I consider it highly unlikely that Brad can or will change. Some Asperger people can "modify" their behaviors, but the inability to tolerate "confusion and disorder" is the least treatable factor.  

  

Brad's wife probably had no idea about this, and should be informed. Many Asperger people earn an excellent living as an engineer and computer professional. But living with them can be unbearable.  

  

This is a neurologic condition.  Treating it with medications will usually help the OCD characteristics, but have the disadvantage of causing sedation that makes driving impossible. Other medications can produce digestive disturbances and various unwelcome side effects, including interrupting sexual function. This may not be a problem in this situation because chances are this couple is not having sex anyway.  

  

I feel badly for both of these people. But Brad's wife needs to be fully informed. There are a number of excellent web sites on Asperger's syndrome. Brad's wife needs to look them up before she decides to stay with him.  

  

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Rosey1, I respectfully disagree with you that it is "highly unlikely that Brad can or will change. Some Asperger people can 'modify' their behaviors, but the inability to tolerate 'confusion and disorder' is the least treatable factor." 

  

I know you're a doctor, and I know that you are now retired. I don't know if you're a retired doctor because you've reached those "golden years" or for other reasons.  But there is new information every day concerning Asperger's. Also, high intelligence and exceptional verbal skills make it very likely that Brad can, and will, understand both his own behavior and the need for modification.  

  

I was a chemistry major in college (weird for a special ed teacher-turned-lawyer) and knew plenty of engineering students. Yes, many of them are logical, analytical, and seemingly non-emotional. But the operative word here is "seemingly." Just because someone so dominantly displays pure logic and seems to be clueless about how their affect on others and rigid insistence on doing things the exact, precise way each and every time, does not necessarily mean that they do not care or lack emotion. Brad may well feel great sadness that his wife is unhappy. Social skills, cues, and body language can be taught just like reading comprehension skills can be taught. Clearly, Brad also needs to learn how his own body language is perceived by his wife and others. Brad's shrugs and frowns are powerful communicators and he may just need to be instructed on the emotional perception to this nonverbal communication. Brad may feel that he is only conveying that the bathroom sink is not clean enough but the message to his wife is that she's failed again, hasn't measured up, and she feels defeated. I believe that these skills can be taught and that people can learn to appropriately modify their behavior so that they can understand social cues and nonverbal communication. 

  

Brad and Robin have been married a long time, they came on the show because they wanted help. I've seen too many divorces that were too hasty. The best thing I've ever done as a lawyer is get people to slow down and try counseling (not for abusive relationships - those are in entirely diffent class). My greatest achievements have been the reconciliations or the divorces where the parents have truly committed to civility and their children's well-being. 

  

Other than that one part of your post, I appreciare (and respect) your information. Keep writing! You've got lots to offer us here. 

 
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December 31, 2005, 6:53 pm PST

Lesbian Theory

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I believe that none of you should judge Beth. You do not know if she is a lesbian, (obviously she is not if she has children..) I feel she is acting the way she is because she is lacking self-esteem and making everything "perfect" builds it up. In our society it is easy to be roped up into wanting to be "perfect" and have the "perfect" children, but none of you have the right to judge.I also feel that her husband could help her a lot more. He should be boosting her confidence, not letting her feel alone. I disgree about Dr. Phil putting her mother-in-law on the show. She doesn't have anything to do with their marriage. I know when you marry someone you marry the whole family but I believe that letting her voice her opinion is wrong. She has nothing to do with their problem... (obviously she will pick her son's side. Most mothers tend to sweep their childrens problems under the rug, and forget they happen.) I guess I just don't see the point in having her their except to make Beth feel even worse.

Just because you have children does not mean you are or are not homosexual. There are a lot of lesbians and Homosexual males out there that have children now. Either threw adoption or having their own or with surrogates. True you can't judge a person by any means, you seem to be just as short sighted. In other words, learn before you speak. 

 
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December 31, 2005, 7:27 pm PST

CONTROLLING SPOUSE

I was single and self  supporting until 2 years ago. I got into a serious relationship with a man that i had gone to high school with and we got married last year. He has 2 children that he has joint custody of. I love him very much and want to stay with him. I have been out of work and he is currently the sole supporter, i am constantly reminded that " he pays the bills"..well he earns the money and i have to pay them. I am totally dependent on him at this point. I feel that he uses this against me in our arguments. The biggest problem is, he drinks and usually is not a mean drunk. He definetely has a problem, and he refuses to get help. I have noticed more lately he can be argumentative when drinking or the next day. we have a huge fight then he says he is sorry. I love him but he just refuses to change. I have know him and his family for 25 years and unfortunately his mother and father were exactly like us, but the mother just "put up with it". I dont know what i should do.  I am looking for a job to have my own money again.
 
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January 1, 2006, 12:17 am PST

The stepford family

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 I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this. It was so obvious to me. I am gay and in the months before I came out, you wouldn't believe how obsessive and controlling I tried to be about everything in my life. (My house was never cleaner!) It was like a last grasp at controlling *something* since my real feelings just couldn't be repressed anymore. I think that is what she's going through. And I don't say this just because of her haircut. Lots of women have that haircut. It's her overall demeanor. The perfectionism. The comments about her life being like a play she's putting on. The total lack of chemistry between her and her husband. I can't believe Phil threw in that bit about seducing her husband. Right. I hope they do a follow-up on her. I really wish Phil would do more gay-positive shows - I don't mean anything overtly political, just giving us some kind of presence on the show. Enough of us watch it and are fans, we might as well be on there too. He should stop dodging this issue. It's something that a lot of families deal with in one way or another.

I totally agree that Beth has some internal conflict and I would bet that it is the fact that shes struggling with being gay.  Who knows we can all speculate on what is wrong with her but.  I hope that a follow up is done and that possibly some of the responses will be read by Beth and her husband.  I agree that Dr. Phil needs to stop dodging the gay issue and do some gay positive show.  So many people are unhappy because that can't be true to themselves because society sucks and judges homosexuals.  I wish we could all just live our lives and be happy...  Embrace your kids Beth..  They need you! 

 
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January 1, 2006, 9:46 am PST

12/30 The Stepford Family

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Just because you have children does not mean you are or are not homosexual. There are a lot of lesbians and Homosexual males out there that have children now. Either threw adoption or having their own or with surrogates. True you can't judge a person by any means, you seem to be just as short sighted. In other words, learn before you speak. 

There are many men and women that were married and had children and later "came out". 

  

 
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January 1, 2006, 2:52 pm PST

12/30 The Stepford Family

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Maybe her shame is that she can't do it all.  What you said offends me a bit.  I am a perfectionist and it isn't fun at all.  You constantly feel like you are being judged and your comment doesn't help one bit.   

Some people feel the pressure to be perfect, it is what is expected of them.  Maybe they have confidence issues.  Or maybe, they watch too much Martha!   

To make such a blanket statement is your right, that is true, but do you really think it is the right thing to do? 

  

  

I never said for a minute that being a perfectionist would be fun. I just said that it is a constant source of shame because the perfectionist never feels that anything is good enough. They always feel inferior. Perfectionists are often 'amazed' at the incompetence of others, and feel as if they themselves, and others, could have done a 'better' job. I believe she is in much pain. 

  

Evidently you feel my post and opinion isn't good enough. Unfortunately, that is not my problem.  

  

  

  

  

 

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January 1, 2006, 4:51 pm PST

12/30 The Stepford Family

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I was single and self  supporting until 2 years ago. I got into a serious relationship with a man that i had gone to high school with and we got married last year. He has 2 children that he has joint custody of. I love him very much and want to stay with him. I have been out of work and he is currently the sole supporter, i am constantly reminded that " he pays the bills"..well he earns the money and i have to pay them. I am totally dependent on him at this point. I feel that he uses this against me in our arguments. The biggest problem is, he drinks and usually is not a mean drunk. He definetely has a problem, and he refuses to get help. I have noticed more lately he can be argumentative when drinking or the next day. we have a huge fight then he says he is sorry. I love him but he just refuses to change. I have know him and his family for 25 years and unfortunately his mother and father were exactly like us, but the mother just "put up with it". I dont know what i should do.  I am looking for a job to have my own money again.

Good for you.  Have your own job.  Make your own money.  Do things for yourself that you like and you need.  If he doesn't get his drinking under control it will become a toxic situation for you if you don't make a way for your self somehow.  You can either choose to stay there and 'put up with it' or you can choose to do something about it where you are concerned.  No body can make someone else do something else.  He has to be the one to decide that he is going to get help.  You are going to either have to stay there and put up with it or do something about it and leave.  Nobody derseves to be in that type of situation.  And if he doesn't get his drinking under control...his verbal abuse can lead to physical abuse.  check out this website and look under the manipulatoer files.  www.heartless-bitches.com.  from your description it doesn't seem that he is that type but can very easily fall under that catagory when alcohol is involved.   

 
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January 1, 2006, 5:03 pm PST

Engineering Males

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Every one of the situations that mirror mine is the male in the relationship is a professional engineer.  I was trying to explain to a friend(the one time that I did get to go out for lunch,he's controling,but getting better)about home...and a woman at the table behind got so excited...her husband was an engineer and the same way.  Very analitacle(sp),very cold&stern,somewhat robotic.  but they love a person that is outgoing because that's what they lack, they want to become a little more fun...but what they end up doing is becoming controling,perfectionists,and it really brings a person who is fun loving down, because they become jealous,they feel unloved,they feel unaccepted.  But the happy person they fell inlove with, has been beaten down,it's hard to come back smiling and bubbly, and they don't get what they've done.  Am I making sense? 
Bellasun.... I couldn't agree more.  I am currently engaged to a mechanical engineer and live in the same type of situation.  Everything muxt be done "just so".  And what's more, is that there is always a "project" that is being worked on...in addition to the stress of running his own company.  He stresses himself out by filling his life with deadlines and demanding everything be perfect... It cant happen.   I am 3 1/2 years into this relationship...and doubting....????  But only sometimes.  Sometimes, he can be great - its a Jeckyll and Hyde situation. We both work full time but I was previously married and have a  son .  This man had SERIOUS ADJUSTMENTS to make in order to learn how to live with a child! We're still adjusting...  Him to my child and ME to him.  He has to control EVERYTHING !!  And he alwayyyyyssss has to give me "direction" in EVERYTHING.  Especially parenting.... forget the fact that he's not actually a parent himself!  Never mind if I ASKED for the advice or not.  Whenever I point out that he tries to control me he says he's only trying to "help" me.  I say he's trying to force his way of thinking on me.  He will argue his point into the ground.  I often tell him he should have been a lawyer.  I find myself feeling like I don't live up to his standards.  Im trapped in my own fairytale nightmare.  Everyone thinks my life is great...  and sometimes it is.  We built a brand new house together last year that is everything I have ever dreamed of.... unfortunately every tiny flaw within it was picked apart -- some were warranted, some were not.  It still took away from the excitement of something so special. And  let's not get into the fact that it's frequently pointed out to me how much $ he put down on the home.  We split all bills equally but he makes double my salary.  Then most recently he "bought" me a Lexus.  He put the down payment on it and is paying for over 1/2 of the monthly payment... I pay the other half of the payment and it's in both of our names. But now, guess what im starting to hear.... yep, how he "gave" it to me.  I'm not ungrateful for the things I have but I would rather have something less extravagant and have it be "mine" than have someone do something and throw it in my face down the road.  I met another lady who was married to an electrical engineer and she swears he's the same way.  She's most recently started taking Prozac.  Unfortunately for me, I already take it!  Where can I possibly go from here?
 
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January 1, 2006, 6:52 pm PST

the stepford family

My husband says that I am controlling. He says I like things done my way on my time and no one is allowed to make mistakes. I disagree with him totally. But recently while discussing my son's attitude over with him (my son), he told me he felt like I wanted him to be perfect and that he feels like he cannot mess up (make mistakes) while I am around. I try not to be too demanding, but it is hard. I expect my family to treat me with appreciation, love and respect that I show towards them. I allow for mistakes. But it irritates me when the same mistakes are made over and over again. It's like I didn't tell them anything at all. I want my family to listen to me and value what I try to say to them. I feel that they do not value the same as their father(my husband). This is due to them wanting to be around him more than me. He allows them to be free(do what they want)whereas, I set limits to what they can do. I expect them to do chores (when I say so, not on their time) and my husband allows them to do them whenever they want(which is never) or when he gets tired of me nagging about it. I often tell them if they would help me out more around the house and allow me to unwind by having a day to myself that things would be different. Everybody from the outside think we have the perfect family. If they knew all of the problems we have going on in our home, it would shock them. This is due to the image we give off. We do not do it intentionally. Everyone just assumes we have it together because we are always doing things together such as supporting our son in sports, participating in school functions, etc. I help out everyone who needs help. Everyone does not know the inner turmoil I am having dealing with trying to maintain my family, etc.. I don't know if this is a stepford family situation. What do you think?
 
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January 2, 2006, 5:08 am PST

12/30 The Stepford Family

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I never said for a minute that being a perfectionist would be fun. I just said that it is a constant source of shame because the perfectionist never feels that anything is good enough. They always feel inferior. Perfectionists are often 'amazed' at the incompetence of others, and feel as if they themselves, and others, could have done a 'better' job. I believe she is in much pain. 

  

Evidently you feel my post and opinion isn't good enough. Unfortunately, that is not my problem.  

  

  

  

  

Why then would you accuse someone of hiding something?  Your opinion is your opinion, I respect that.  I just don't appreciate the blanket statement you made.   

And yes, I too am amazed at the incompetence of others.  When mistakes are legitimate, that is one thing, but to blatantly not do the best you can, that is a sin.  Isn't that what life is about?  Doing your best and being the best you can be?  Why do something if you aren't going to give it your all? 

 
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