Topic : 08/25 Extreme Food Obsessions

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Created on : Friday, October 28, 2005, 02:17:57 pm
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(Original Air Date: 11/03/05) What if you were so obsessed with eating that it almost killed you, or craving food so badly that you yelled, kicked and screamed when you couldn't get enough. Nichelle's 6-year-old daughter has Prader-Willi Syndrome and constantly wants to eat. She once threw a fit so loud, the neighbors called the police. Can Nichelle learn to control her own temper when her daughter has a tantrum? Then, Dr. Phil follows up with Kathy, an anorexic whose condition was so severe, she weighed only 68 pounds. She spent three months in treatment, but her struggle is not over yet. Can her family learn the difference between supporting her and enabling her? Talk about the show here.

 

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November 3, 2005, 3:43 pm PST

You are a good friend

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    Hi , my name is Melissa and I have known Nichelle for over nine years. We have been through so much together that when she told me she was going to appear on the show I supported her when others criticized and ostracized her . I was there when she met Savannah's dad. I was there when she went on her first date. I was there when she foud out she was pregnant. She was in my wedding and helped me in the worst of times. Nichelle , the person you saw on Dr. Phil today knows she needs help. The Nichelle I know has an extremely hard time admitting it and I applauded her for getting the help (which let me inform you she is). 

    I have almost 5 children . One has autism with developemental delay and Verbal delay due to the hospital he was being born at screwing up in the labor process. I know what she deals with. Her and I handle things differently of course all people do, but, noone on this board has lived with her for a time, known her for as long as me and has seen the things she does exceptionally well.i lived with her and Savannah for a time about 4 years ago.Nichelle was doing it on her own and doing well.What you saw is the worst of it. Noone saw how she freaked when Savannah fell and hit her head and I had to go get to to rush to the ER. (She was with her Grandma when it happened before you think ill and she tripped.) Nichelle freaked all the way to the hospital, almost passed out when she had to see her daughter get stitched up and cried and cried that she should have been there. Though she was working at the time and couldn't have been. 

    You haven't seen the Nichelle who holds her daughters head high by telling her how beautiful she is. She tells her her smile is the best and encourages her in many ways, brags about how well Savannah does in school and rarely ever  freaks out. I agree she takes it to a point sometimes, but how can anyone judge when she is going for help and is in fear of losing her daughter now that family members who have never been there, have turned their backs. Can you imagine being in her shoes?  

  My developementally delayed son is my bright light. He has taught my whole family things we didn't know were possible, he is such a gift that when I think of it I cry. I almost lost him at birth and know how hard it is to know you can't change things, only try to help. Do I get frustarted? Yes. DO I get sad? yes. Do I cry ? yes. Would I take him back ? Never , never , never !  

    Be proud of Nichelle for somethings. She never has had government help.Her and I have this in common. SHe doesn't blame anyone for what happened to her Savannah but tries to help her. Even if she has a few issues, we all do. The people who love her and love her girls will stand by her and try to help her. We will do what we can for her. I know what you saw looked so bad but remember you didn't see the Nichelle some of us know so well.....  

Nichelle is so lucky to have a wonderful supportive friend like you! I am a RN and have worked with disabled children- none with Prader-Willi Syndrome, but many with similar behavoirs. I really felt for her on todays show and knew that many viewers wouldn't understand. I don't excuse Nichelle's outbursts towards her daughter, but I understand them. Keep being her rock!!  Karen RN 

 
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November 3, 2005, 3:48 pm PST

Want more info, too

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Initially I was upset when I saw that one show was covering Prader-Willi and Anorexia, and then lumping them under the concept of "food obsession."  I thought of our society's practice of warehousing those with serious mental illnesses and "mental retardation."  But then I remembered that the "food relationship" isn't the problem here, but merely a symptom. 

  

  

"Living with Prader-Willi Syndrome"  This segment was a real shocker.  I am so used to people, whose child has such a serious diagnosis, being whisked into a world of support groups and treatment.  I feel so bad that this mother was let down, with no understanding or coping skills. 

  

  

"Dying to Be Thin"  I wish we got more details about her physical and psychological rehabilitation. 

I'd like more info on Kathy's recovery, too. I visited the website for Castlewood and it has loads of information and I'm going to go back to it when I have more time to read. I don't have anyone in my family or close circle of friends with anorexia but I know someone with bulemia. She restricts her intake until she can't any more and then binges and purges. It's very, very hard for her to talk about it. I'm going to email her a link to Castlewood. I think she needs more intensive treatment right now, more than what it looks like Kathy is getting at the Ranch. That looks like the next step, not the first step. I think people forget that anorexia and bulemia are sort of like a combination of medical and mental illnesses. The mental illness of the disease causes behaviors that create medical problems. Sometimes, like with my friend, the medical problems also contribute to the inability to eat normally. She abused laxatives for awhile and now has trouble with food absorption so sometimes, when her weight starts to get really low from restricting or from purging all of her meals, she has trouble gaining because her stomach isn't working right. It's a terrible disease. I'm glad that Kathy was courageous enough to seek treatment and I wish her well!
 
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November 3, 2005, 3:49 pm PST

People are missing important facts....

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i grew up an over wieght child.. my father called me fat he told me i was ugly for being fat. i was also picked on by my brother and cousins. they didnt really bother me, but my fahter saying those things to me did. The line " i only say it to help her" is WRONG!!!! it dont help u out it pushes ur self esteem down lower. because of being treated that way by my family i have problems with my mairrage now. i also had lost alot of weight in my teen years and as soon as i felt guys wanted me i went on a binge of sleeping with anyone i could, just to make my self feel better. but i am alos a mother now of a 2yr old, and she is very bad.. she hits me she screams in public if i dont let he have her way.. the list goes on. so i know its hard to have a child that acts up, but if ur saying things of the nature this mother is.. u need to have ur daughter stay with a friend or family member for the weekend and enroll urself in anger managment calles... seriously..or ur gonna loose ur daughter, not only phycically but emionialy too. she will grow up and not forgive u for being so abusive. 

Teresa 

The problem showcased with Nichelle and her daughter Savannah isn't that her daughter is overweight, but a child with a terrible genetic disorder that includes compulsive eating behaviors. This child doesn't merely "act up". Your normal 2 year old's worst behavior is NOTHING compared to caring everyday for a child with this disorder. People need to realize the struggles that parents like Nichelle face raising a child with Prader-Willi Syndrome. Karen RN
 
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November 3, 2005, 3:51 pm PST

Prader Willie

 I also have a 13 year old daughter with PWS. We didn't found out what it was until she was 7 years old. We were always told that she had a muscle disoder. She's got diabetes & her diabetic doctor is the one who told us about the disorder & we had her tested & that's what she had. We live in Alabama & not many doctors know what it is so anytime we go to a new doctor we have to explain what it is. She is overweight, but she is not as bad as some kids that fight over food. Her main problem is her behavior!! She can be an angel one minute & the devil the next. She gets in trouble a lot at school because of this ( she's in special ed. ) At home we can kinda control her tantrums but when were out in public sometimes it's embarrassing because everyone stares at her & that makes me mad because it is so rude when people stare at a person with a disability !!! She can be soooo sweet most of the time but when she does get mad , we never know what causes it. Any little thing can set her off. I know how Savannahs mother feels because sometimes it's so overwhelming that I feel like I can't take it anymore. But I have to remember that she can't help the way she is. And if it wasn't for my husband helping me I don't know what I would. So my heart goes out to Savannahs mother, I don't know how she does it by herself. I don't agree with her hitting her because she can't help the way she is. I just hope she learns more about the syndrome so she can help her daughter instead of hurting her. I don't think she is very educated on Prader Willie sydrome. Maybe if she was she would come to terms with it & help her daugher.                   

 
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November 3, 2005, 3:55 pm PST

Proud of my PWS "Sister"

Although Karen, a 7 year old, isn't my biological sister, I treat like one.  And to see how Nichelle treated Savannah made me sick. Yeah, Karen has tantrums, and she can be a real brat. But to call her those terrible things is uncalled. What part of mental disorder doesn't she understand?  Now, I don't think there is anything wrong with trying to treat her like a normal kid, I do that all the time with my sister. But to call her fat and what not, oh please, that's not helping, she knows it. I don't feel sorry for Nichelle because there are a million other people in even worse situations than her and they're doing what they have to do to survive. I feel sorry for the little girl because she's not getting what she needs and that's love and support from her mother.
 
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November 3, 2005, 3:57 pm PST

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Hi, 

I have a six month old who was recently diagnosed with Menkes Kinky Hair Syndrome, a genetic disorder.  I was very upset when I saw the preview of Thursday's show.  I just knew I'd be coming on to go off at Nichelle.  We hope, but it is not likely with how his disease is progressing, that our son will live to be six.  He may never be able to talk or walk or even lift his head.  We would never think of hurting him physically or with words over something he can't control.  However, once I heard the story I understood where she was coming from.  Dear Nichelle, you're doing the right thing by getting help.  I understand how long denial can take over your life.   It's rough realizing your child is not like other children, and that they have a different calling in life.  Do I wish my child could be like others? Yes, every day I wish he didn't have to overcome the obstacles he has to overcome every day.   Would I exchange him for any other child? Never.  I know your heart is in the right place.   I think you know you are her life, and I know it is frustrating.  But don't give up, do the right thing.   It sometimes feels like we're alone with genetic disorders, half his doctors had never seen a case of Menkes.  But there is hope, and there's life, and I think you are doing the right thing.  "To the world you are just one person, but to one person you are the world." 

Michelle 

 

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November 3, 2005, 3:58 pm PST

Amen, Karen RN!!!

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So nice that you didn't watch the show, have no idea what the show was about or even what this child's disorder is. Before you form all these opinions, you should get the facts. She doesn't have an "over eating disorder" she has a genetic disorder and the part of her brain that controls hunger is affected. She has multiple problems, not just that. Why don't you go into Google and put in Prader-Willi Syndrome and read about this disorder. I suppose it is easier to just talk trash and put someone down and think how much better you are than them, instead of taking the time to understand. How do ppl like you live with yourselves?   Karen RN 

In our neurology classes we studied the areas of the brain that affect how we eat , feel hunger, stop eatting, feel full.  You are exactly correct, this is a problem in this child's brain.  This very young woman has so much new information to process and still has ALL of the same concerns single parents of  "normal" children deal with on a daily basis.  The last thing she needs is for someone not even concerned enough to watch the show...give their uninformed opinions...shame on them!  I am very glad I watched this show.  I never know when someone with this particular disorder might walk into my office.  Now, I know where to get them the help they may need!  We never learn how to help others by putting our heads in the sand and pretending they do not really need our help.  They do and we will be held accountable...one day!!! 

Dr. Debra 

 
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November 3, 2005, 4:00 pm PST

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       Dear Dr. Phil       Hi i watched your show today and i could not believe my eyes . I was so upset with the way she treated her little girl . Doesnt  she know its not that babys fault , Its hers maybe instead of buying junk foods all the time and giving her junk food all the time . She needs to start buying healthy foods . also she should never call her daughter rude things to make her upset. It really upset me to see her talking like she really didnt even care about her.      Sincerely , concered and very angry.                                                                                                                      
 
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November 3, 2005, 4:06 pm PST

Abusive Mother

I am the mother of a child with special needs. When my son, who is now 10 was diagnosed when he was three with autism, I thought my world was going to fall in. It didn't. With some help, 7 yr's later, he is a smart, funny, strong loving child. He may not ever be independent but he will have every available opportunity to hopefully be. This mother can justify her behavior any way she sees fit but the bottom line is that I wouldn't treat any child the way she was treating her child. Her daughter is not capable of understanding what is happening to her. She will never be able to rationalize her behavior because in addition to being six yrs old she has a cognitive impairment that doesn't allow her to appropriately process information and she has a speech delay so she cannot express it even if she could!!  I would like to share a poem that was given to me many years ago and I hope she sees this and reads it and get's the help she needs to give her daughter what she deserves. 

 

WELCOME TO HOLLAND

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Emily Perl Kingsley 

I am often asked to describe the experience of raising a child with a disability - to try to help people who have not shared that unique experience to understand it, to imagine how it would feel. It's like this...... 

When you're going to have a baby, it's like planning a fabulous vacation trip - to Italy. You buy a bunch of guide books and make your wonderful plans. The Coliseum. The Michelangelo David. The gondolas in Venice. You may learn some handy phrases in Italian. It's all very exciting. 

After months of eager anticipation, the day finally arrives. You pack your bags and off you go. Several hours later, the plane lands. The stewardess comes in and says, "Welcome to Holland." 

"Holland?!?" you say. "What do you mean Holland?? I signed up for Italy! I'm supposed to be in Italy. All my life I've dreamed of going to Italy." 

But there's been a change in the flight plan. They've landed in Holland and there you must stay. 

The important thing is that they haven't taken you to a horrible, disgusting, filthy place, full of pestilence, famine and disease. It's just a different place. 

So you must go out and buy new guide books. And you must learn a whole new language. And you will meet a whole new group of people you would never have met. 

It's just a different place. It's slower-paced than Italy, less flashy than Italy. But after you've been there for a while and you catch your breath, you look around.... and you begin to notice that Holland has windmills....and Holland has tulips. Holland even has Rembrandts. 

But everyone you know is busy coming and going from Italy... and they're all bragging about what a wonderful time they had there. And for the rest of your life, you will say "Yes, that's where I was supposed to go. That's what I had planned."  

And the pain of that will never, ever, ever, ever go away... because the loss of that dream is a very very significant loss. 

But... if you spend your life mourning the fact that you didn't get to Italy, you may never be free to enjoy the very special, the very lovely things ... about Holland. 

  

 

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November 3, 2005, 4:09 pm PST

shame on Nichelle

I just finished seeing this show, and I was outraged! 

  

Seeing that little 6 year old girl crying and screaming on the floor of that bathroom, because her mom found it gross that she had pooped on her pants, broke my heart. I am no relative to that child, and I felt so sorry for her--but her own MOTHER treats her that way! No mother is put here on earth to call their kids "stupid", "moron", and "idiot", no matter what "kind" of child you were blessed with. Her job is to put so much self-worth and love in that little girl, that she doesn't have to think twice about her individual value as a person. Even though she has disibilities, every child can feel love. Every child, perfectly healthy, or doomed to live with a disibility like that, knows when they're loved. I didn't see once, that Nichelle say that she absolutely loved her daughter. That she thought she was beautiful, and wanted to make her feel that way. Chances are, if Savannah knew how much she was worth as a person, and knew that she had a mom who was there to love and guide her, and be there when she needs her, she wouldn't be so "out-of-control".  

  

I know how hard dealing with a child with special needs can be. My youngest son has speech impairment, constant tantrums, and learning disibilities. It can be very hard, especially when you have four other children to deal with. My husband and I knew that it would be best to homeschool him. He is nine and a half years old and is barely learning to read and write properly. I always worried about my older kids getting jealous if I treated my boy with more patience and made special exceptions according to the situation. On the other hand, I worried if I was dealing with him too harshly sometimes. It can get very hectic. I have NEVER treated my son anything like what I saw today. I love him, I think he's a beautiful person, and I am very proud of all his achievements. I want him to see all that. I wish I had seen that with Nichelle. 

  

She has to make the decision on whether she wants her daughter or not--disibility and all. If she does, she has to make the right choices. She has to develop the patience. She has to develop the self-discipline. If she isn't willing to do that, give her up for adoption! She is a gorgeous little girl, and there are many people (believe it or not) who are willing to take on that challenge just to be able to have the honor to raise that beautiful little girl. 

  

Shame on you for treating your daughter like trash. 

  

Also, I want to say to Kathy, that I was so suprised how much twenty pounds made a difference! You look awesome, and I am proud of you. Keep going. 

 

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