Topic : 08/25 Extreme Food Obsessions

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(Original Air Date: 11/03/05) What if you were so obsessed with eating that it almost killed you, or craving food so badly that you yelled, kicked and screamed when you couldn't get enough. Nichelle's 6-year-old daughter has Prader-Willi Syndrome and constantly wants to eat. She once threw a fit so loud, the neighbors called the police. Can Nichelle learn to control her own temper when her daughter has a tantrum? Then, Dr. Phil follows up with Kathy, an anorexic whose condition was so severe, she weighed only 68 pounds. She spent three months in treatment, but her struggle is not over yet. Can her family learn the difference between supporting her and enabling her? Talk about the show here.

 

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November 3, 2005, 4:10 pm PST

Good luck, Nichelle

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Thank you so much to all the people who posted messages here for me. Nice or mean I have taken the time to read everybodys opinion and take all said into consideration. I apologize that I said the kids were brats. They just act that way sometimes, I DO Love them and Ill do my best to handle the situation. I should not have been so negative in my postings...I guess I was just blown away by all the meanies who hadnt even seen the show yet. Thanks so much to the nice, positive, people who left such great messages. It IS appreciated. "you get more flies with sugar then with vinigar" (not that anyone wants flies! but you get my point! :)Thanks again to everyone. 

 

Sincerely, Nichelle 

Nichelle, 

  

I admire your bravery to publicly open your home life and the struggles that you have dealt with. You were open to change, asking for a new way to deal with the issues that I know you understand are not Savannah's fault.  

  

I think what most people want for you is support for you to learn how to create a structure for your family. That structure gives Savannah comfort and help to learn that there is an order to the day as well as other priorities that have to be incorporated into the day. This structure gives your other child the chance to see that family life has a routine that is normal and creates safe boundaries, and gives you relief in knowing that Savannah is learning the routine, your other child is comfortable in the family stability, and that you can take any challenge in the day and refer back to the routine. 

  

Having worked with street youth dealing with recovery from addiction, and no structure in how to live on a daily basis, I acknowledge that developing the routine and introducing it to an individual - regardless of age, mental developmental level, or other barriers to learning - is the most difficult challenge in starting to gain control and stability in a family. However, the routine is crucial for assisting people who are dealing with behaviour-control issues because the structure is safety. Another key point to making the routine work is posting it in a main area of the house, usually in the kitchen. Use picture magnets, coloured markers, and symbols if that's easier for everyone to recognize and understand.  

  

This isn't something specific for PWS kids or kids in addiction recovery, this is something that is often recommended for every family. My friends use it with their kids showing the daily schedule for going to school, after-school activities, family chores, mealtimes, learning self-care (e.g. brushing teeth and bathing), and bedtime. They see the routine, they recognize it, and it becomes part of everyday life, which is the ultimate goal. 

  

It will be difficult, but I think you have lived through the worst part of it, and are ready to find better tools to help your children become amazing people. There have been some great supportive messages from other people who have worked with or who have children with PWS, and I hope that you're able to find the resources that are available to you. You have beautiful kids, I know you love them, and I believe that when we have better tools, we do great things.  

  

I think you can do great things. 

  

Kelle 

 
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November 3, 2005, 4:15 pm PST

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I am sitting here watching the story about the woman with anorexia getting more and more annoyed. I know the woman on TV today acknowledged that she needed help and kudos to her for admitting it and trying to get better. I just wonder how putting her story on TV hurts others with the problem...they may think "she lived that was for 16 years so what is the problem?".   

  

My Aunt is 50 years old and has been somehow living with anorexia for over 30 years...she has so many physical problems yet she thinks that the rest of the world is at fault not her. She eats nothing with any nutritional value...she is the most selfish person I have ever met. My mother and my grandmother (before she died) tried to get her into treatment. Her Doctor is an enabler...he has helped her stay this way. He has not even diagnosed her because she doesn't want to hear it...she won't go to any other doctor because they all call her on her eating disorder.  I think her doctor should be sued for malpractice or maybe arrested for assisted suicide after she dies. My other Aunt bends over backwards to try to help her and she just uses her...it is pathetic. The anorexic one will allow the other to do so much for her that she becomes physically ill and does not take care of herself because she is so focused on the anorexic one.  I have suggested that they commit her...have talked to my therapist about whether or not that could be done...but my grandfather (the only one who could do it) doesn't think she has a problem. He even brags that she is eating better then ever and gaining weight...complete denial! She acts like she is some super great Christian but as far as I am concerned she is a horrible Christian...last time I checked suicide was not among the Christian teachings. She manipulates our family and has contributed to the demise of the family unit that I used to love being a part of.  She has ruined everything...God forbid anyone upset her!  I can't even stand the thought of family gatherings with that side of the family and I used to love them.  

  

I am glad that Kathy got help...but she has been every bit as selfish as my aunt. I hope she realizes the hurt she has caused her family and now will work extra hard to show them appreciation and love. It is so hard to be a family member of someone with this problem...it poisons every part of the relationship and the family! 

 I thought that I was alone in my thinking how selfish ,to not care that you are stinking up the whole house , eating everything in sight, greedy and angry and self centered. That all are suppose to watch your slow suicide. Hours spent in hospitals waiting, fear, dread almost losing oneself to the constant stress. seizures and broken bones, knocked out teeth, waiting watching and not being able to do anything.. They are adults, in charge of themselves I am told. but they call and say : YOU CAN COME AND GET THEM NOW. doctors all by the numbers. blood pressure is good,potatium is ok... minds gone, meds have taken away their ability to have any free will or common sense... fill the prescription. dont leave them alone... But its not your problem... I would love to be on your side for the law suit  because I am with you on the lack of  commitment from the doctors. No one wants to make the decision or take the blame or get it. I just read a book written in 1938 with case histories of anorexia /no one knows what happened unless they died. .. It is odd that it is one of the seven deadly sins: gluttony  and it seems to take their souls  and they make every thought action and event .. about them.. I am sure the caregivers go before the patients and they will only wonder What is gonna happen to ME.  I thank you for your words your honesty and I pray that there is divine intervention because everything else is apparently useless
 
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November 3, 2005, 4:17 pm PST

11/03 Extreme Food Obsessions

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    Hi , my name is Melissa and I have known Nichelle for over nine years. We have been through so much together that when she told me she was going to appear on the show I supported her when others criticized and ostracized her . I was there when she met Savannah's dad. I was there when she went on her first date. I was there when she foud out she was pregnant. She was in my wedding and helped me in the worst of times. Nichelle , the person you saw on Dr. Phil today knows she needs help. The Nichelle I know has an extremely hard time admitting it and I applauded her for getting the help (which let me inform you she is). 

    I have almost 5 children . One has autism with developemental delay and Verbal delay due to the hospital he was being born at screwing up in the labor process. I know what she deals with. Her and I handle things differently of course all people do, but, noone on this board has lived with her for a time, known her for as long as me and has seen the things she does exceptionally well.i lived with her and Savannah for a time about 4 years ago.Nichelle was doing it on her own and doing well.What you saw is the worst of it. Noone saw how she freaked when Savannah fell and hit her head and I had to go get to to rush to the ER. (She was with her Grandma when it happened before you think ill and she tripped.) Nichelle freaked all the way to the hospital, almost passed out when she had to see her daughter get stitched up and cried and cried that she should have been there. Though she was working at the time and couldn't have been. 

    You haven't seen the Nichelle who holds her daughters head high by telling her how beautiful she is. She tells her her smile is the best and encourages her in many ways, brags about how well Savannah does in school and rarely ever  freaks out. I agree she takes it to a point sometimes, but how can anyone judge when she is going for help and is in fear of losing her daughter now that family members who have never been there, have turned their backs. Can you imagine being in her shoes?  

  My developementally delayed son is my bright light. He has taught my whole family things we didn't know were possible, he is such a gift that when I think of it I cry. I almost lost him at birth and know how hard it is to know you can't change things, only try to help. Do I get frustarted? Yes. DO I get sad? yes. Do I cry ? yes. Would I take him back ? Never , never , never !  

    Be proud of Nichelle for somethings. She never has had government help.Her and I have this in common. SHe doesn't blame anyone for what happened to her Savannah but tries to help her. Even if she has a few issues, we all do. The people who love her and love her girls will stand by her and try to help her. We will do what we can for her. I know what you saw looked so bad but remember you didn't see the Nichelle some of us know so well.....  

Hi Melissa - 

           Although it;s good to know that Nichelle has a good friend like you, you are doing her a disservice by making excuses for her. I dont care what her child has, there is no reason to call your child the awful things she calls her daughter. NO EXCUSES - you should both take that literally. 

 

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November 3, 2005, 4:17 pm PST

Fillers in our foods!

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I am not sure if it is just a bad turn that Americans are taking but I didnt really hear that much about being obese until the past decade. I dont know if it is just that were are fatter cus of laziness or hi tech gears or that were just need to over indulge and try to blame it as a medical thing that we can not control. I think that the human spirit can do better than that . I sometimes think that it is just an excuse to over indulge or for laziness.. 

  

  

After you watch the show, you will know, this is not the same thing.  A brain disorder isn't the same thing as other types of obesity.  Read Kevin Trudeau's book "NATURAL CURES THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT."  It explains a lot about the fillers in our processed foods that cause people to eat more, and more, and more.  I had a friend who traveled to her homeland last winter for 3 weeks.  She ate overseas exactly the same way she eats here in the U.S. and LOST 20 pounds!!!  Many countries WILL NOT import our foods because of all of the GARBAGE allowed in it like Hormones in our meat to cause our animals to grow faster...why wouldn't those same hormones cause our children to grow faster?  Common sense, guys!  Those with the gold rule and they can afford the lobbyists to allow it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Read the book and wake up!!! 

  

As far as this disease, it is a disease, Dr. Phil even said IT HAS NO CURE!  Therefore, the best we can do is help this young mother learn to cope with the disease and be the best they can be!  She does not need to feel guilty.  She will do better with the help she is getting and she will be able to make educated decisions concerning the care of her daughter, even if it means allowing someone else to help her!   

If you have never walked in her shoes, keep your mouth shut and your ears open!  God gave us 2:1, to listen twice as much as we talk!!!!!!!!! 

Dr. Debra 

 
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November 3, 2005, 4:17 pm PST

God does not give us more than we can.....

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    I agree that it is sad that Nichelle's daughter has been living with this kind of treatment for who knows how long.  I am sorry that Nichelle's daughter has the condition that she does and it must be hard for Nichelle to swallow at times.  I am a firm believer that GOD DOES NOT GIVE US MORE THAN WE CAN HANDLE.  I believe that Nichelle has the smarts, the patience, the know how some where in her to handle this situation very well.  I just think that she has, unfortunately, resorted to letting the frustration she must feel get the best of her.  I hope that this trip to Dr. Phil's show has opened her eyes to the damage that she has done to her daughter.  I also hope that she took away from being on the show a desire to educate herself more on the condition her daughter has and to make the best of life for her and her kids. I think that adoption would only cause more pain and tumoil in both of their lives.  It's a wonderful blessing that there is still a chance for Nichelle and her daughter to make up for time lost.  If Nichelle decides to seek the proper help and support that they could both benefit from I do believe that they will both be a lot happier when all is said and done.  I just hope that the abuse...no matter what form...is at it's definet end.  There is never any reason for it!!!!  EVER!!!!!!!
I, too, believe that God will not give us more than we can handle.  I just wish He didn't trust me so much.  ;  )  There are as many ways of caring for PWS children as there are humans on this planet.  I watched my in-laws deal with my brother-in-law with PWS until he died of heart disease in his 40's, & it was heart breaking.  Don't get me wrong.  They had the patience of saints.  It was just so heart breaking to watch them care for him day in and day out.  They never had a moments rest.  They also had another son with Cerebral Palsy who wasn't able to attend school.  Unfortunately, my father-in-law died at 51, leaving my 46 year old mother-in-law at home to care for both sons by herself.  When her PWS son died in his mid 40's, she only lived another 5 years.  At 51 their CP son is still alive (although he looks like a 15 year old) & is living with his 50 year old healthy brother.  I just wish there could have been something I could do to ease their burden, but they were a proud family, and didn't want any help from "outsiders".   As the ex-wife of their other healthy brother (who they were ashamed of for leaving me & our sons for the proverbial other woman), they wouldn't even consider letting me help when their own son was emotionally unavailable for his own flesh & blood.  I can only hope that this family will find some kind of happiness for the rest of their lives.  Good luck Nichelle.  God bless you & your family.
 
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November 3, 2005, 4:23 pm PST

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I don't understand what is the difference between this disorder and a spoiled child? I can see that they always need to eat, but why does it have to be junk food? Why can't you just feed the child food that is good for them? And what does that need to eat have to do with other behavior issues, like if she wants to stay at the park and can't, or going to the bathroom in her pants. I don't get how the craving to always eat has anything to do with bad behavior. None the less, this mother should know that calling her child names is not acceptable, she is old enough to know that she needs help and there are many places that can give her that help. What about that Man that was sitting on the couch in one clip? Is he the father, isn't there someone in this family with a brain? I just can't believe these people just sit by and let this mother verbally abuse her child and that is also unacceptable.
 
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November 3, 2005, 4:29 pm PST

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Although Karen, a 7 year old, isn't my biological sister, I treat like one.  And to see how Nichelle treated Savannah made me sick. Yeah, Karen has tantrums, and she can be a real brat. But to call her those terrible things is uncalled. What part of mental disorder doesn't she understand?  Now, I don't think there is anything wrong with trying to treat her like a normal kid, I do that all the time with my sister. But to call her fat and what not, oh please, that's not helping, she knows it. I don't feel sorry for Nichelle because there are a million other people in even worse situations than her and they're doing what they have to do to survive. I feel sorry for the little girl because she's not getting what she needs and that's love and support from her mother.

I am so proud of Cathy for her courage and strength to overcome anorexia! There is nothing more sad to me as a women then to watch my friends and other women diminish their divine nature as women. I can't relate to all eating disorders, but I can understand the need to be thin. I am almost 19 years old and I weigh 135 pounds and am 5'5" tall and I have had people come up to me and say I was fat. Those pants look too tight, or stop eating because you don't want to be over weight, and I have thrown-up my food because of these comments, but it never got serious like Cathy. Everyday is a struggle I believe for all women to recognize their beauty. And everyday I look at myself and I see an imperfect body, but I shrug my shoulders and say, "good morning sexy lady!" Everyone is beautiful and has a unique characteristic that will always make them who they are. I just want Cathy to know that if she does get better she will be the center of everyone's attention because she is so beautiful and what a role model she is to me because right now I am struggling through some personal stuff and I watched her today fighting against a 10%  chance to live and still strive to her goal, and I look at myself and I probably have a higher percentage to reach mine and yet i'm not. But watching her make it, I know that I can. So thanks Cathy and please don't be afraid to smile:) 

 
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November 3, 2005, 4:33 pm PST

Gods ledger book

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I, too, believe that God will not give us more than we can handle.  I just wish He didn't trust me so much.  ;  )  There are as many ways of caring for PWS children as there are humans on this planet.  I watched my in-laws deal with my brother-in-law with PWS until he died of heart disease in his 40's, & it was heart breaking.  Don't get me wrong.  They had the patience of saints.  It was just so heart breaking to watch them care for him day in and day out.  They never had a moments rest.  They also had another son with Cerebral Palsy who wasn't able to attend school.  Unfortunately, my father-in-law died at 51, leaving my 46 year old mother-in-law at home to care for both sons by herself.  When her PWS son died in his mid 40's, she only lived another 5 years.  At 51 their CP son is still alive (although he looks like a 15 year old) & is living with his 50 year old healthy brother.  I just wish there could have been something I could do to ease their burden, but they were a proud family, and didn't want any help from "outsiders".   As the ex-wife of their other healthy brother (who they were ashamed of for leaving me & our sons for the proverbial other woman), they wouldn't even consider letting me help when their own son was emotionally unavailable for his own flesh & blood.  I can only hope that this family will find some kind of happiness for the rest of their lives.  Good luck Nichelle.  God bless you & your family.
My Daughter has Angelman Syndrome, another genetic disability on the same area of the same gene as Prater Willies, some behaviors are similar, she is a food thief and is so sneaky!!!  As I look at life I sometimes think that God must have dropped some coffee on my leger page, sometimes enough is enough, but we always get by, so that proves...? Anyhow, no one should abuse another, all we need in life is the golden rule, and remember "first do no harm". Smile, laugh, be kind and keep dancing through life....
 
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November 3, 2005, 4:33 pm PST

I think your a great friend

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Hi Melissa - 

           Although it;s good to know that Nichelle has a good friend like you, you are doing her a disservice by making excuses for her. I dont care what her child has, there is no reason to call your child the awful things she calls her daughter. NO EXCUSES - you should both take that literally. 

Melissa thank you for taking the time to write about Nichelle. People can be very judgemental and as we know, not everything said on the show is shown. Yes, she is abusing her child, but it is not her fault and it took allot of strength to go on national tv and tell the whole world that she hurts her daughter.  That step shows that she is a caring mother, who just couldn't take it anymore. So thank you for saying those kind words about your friend. I think sometimes the viewers forget that NO ONE IS PERFECT, NOT EVEN THEM and atleast Nichelle has finally reached out for help.
 
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November 3, 2005, 4:41 pm PST

11/03 Extreme Food Obsessions

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After you watch the show, you will know, this is not the same thing.  A brain disorder isn't the same thing as other types of obesity.  Read Kevin Trudeau's book "NATURAL CURES THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT."  It explains a lot about the fillers in our processed foods that cause people to eat more, and more, and more.  I had a friend who traveled to her homeland last winter for 3 weeks.  She ate overseas exactly the same way she eats here in the U.S. and LOST 20 pounds!!!  Many countries WILL NOT import our foods because of all of the GARBAGE allowed in it like Hormones in our meat to cause our animals to grow faster...why wouldn't those same hormones cause our children to grow faster?  Common sense, guys!  Those with the gold rule and they can afford the lobbyists to allow it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Read the book and wake up!!! 

  

As far as this disease, it is a disease, Dr. Phil even said IT HAS NO CURE!  Therefore, the best we can do is help this young mother learn to cope with the disease and be the best they can be!  She does not need to feel guilty.  She will do better with the help she is getting and she will be able to make educated decisions concerning the care of her daughter, even if it means allowing someone else to help her!   

If you have never walked in her shoes, keep your mouth shut and your ears open!  God gave us 2:1, to listen twice as much as we talk!!!!!!!!! 

Dr. Debra 

 "As far as this disease, it is a disease, Dr. Phil even said IT HAS NO CURE!  Therefore, the best we can do is help this young ... "

NO!  That's NOT the best we can do.  We could HELP find a cure.  AIDS has no cure, yet we are spending billions to find one.  PWS has no cure yet we are spending only pennies to research this disorder that afflicts 1 in 13,000 innocents.

If u want to HELP, search the net. There are several organizations that are working very hard to raise money to find a cure for this disorder.  Any donations are tax deductible too.
 

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