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(Original Air Date: 11/03/05) What if you were so obsessed with eating that it almost killed you, or craving food so badly that you yelled, kicked and screamed when you couldn't get enough. Nichelle's 6-year-old daughter has Prader-Willi Syndrome and constantly wants to eat. She once threw a fit so loud, the neighbors called the police. Can Nichelle learn to control her own temper when her daughter has a tantrum? Then, Dr. Phil follows up with Kathy, an anorexic whose condition was so severe, she weighed only 68 pounds. She spent three months in treatment, but her struggle is not over yet. Can her family learn the difference between supporting her and enabling her? Talk about the show here.

 

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November 7, 2005, 5:57 am PST

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     If the young lady was diagnosed with PWS at age two, and her mother refused treatment, I believe that a doctor who deals with similar patients could make a legal case for removing the girl from her mother's custody. After all, this is clearly her mother's choice to deny her daughter the treatment and structure needed to manage her PWS. The girl's father needs to get a good attorney; his daughter's life is at stake.
That is what I thought, but no one does anything.  The MANY< MANY doctors you would think would do something, but they haven't.  And her father cannot afford to do anything right now, though I know he cares for his child, I think it is overwhelming for him to even comprehend where to begin.
 
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November 7, 2005, 1:23 pm PST

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I thought the show was quite objective.  I would have thought that the child would have been removed under such abuse.  No parent can afford not to give unconditional love regardless of the child's special needs.  A child with intellectual disability has no concept of the word " consequences" let along the emotion.  Repeativation and Patience are in order with full love.
 
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November 7, 2005, 3:42 pm PST

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OK, first of ALL... until recently I did not know what my daughter had. Second of all, your son is ONLY 21 months....you have NO clue what the future holds for you with a child who has that disorder. Savannah has terrible fits of rage, violent outbursts, and screams bloody murder when she doesnt get her way. DEAL WITH THAT!!! you havent seen anything yet. Im a 24 year old SINGLE mom with 2 spoiled little brats. I try to do the best I can. I DO spoil them sometimes because I love them, but its taking its toll! NO ONE who knows me will EVEN watch my one year old. (she was born a mamma's girl and a screamer!) IM ALL ALONE. I went to Dr. Phil for help because OBVIOULSY I felt I needed it!!! Can I get SOME credit?! People dont air their dirty laundry JUST BECAUSE! Do you think I want the whole world to think Im a jerk?! NO, but I DO Know I need help with dealing with my daughter. I cant handle it by myself. Dont come down on someone that had the nerve to even come forward! its a good thing! I HAD THE "BALLS" TO SAY ON NATIONAL TV WHAT EVERY OTHER FRUSTRATED PARENT IS THINKING, AND I WASNT SCARED!!!! be a jerk if you want, but i think I just opened up a whole can of worms...youll see. TUNE IN!!!! 

  

I applaud you for seeking help.  This is the first message I have ever posted, I actually joined this site because of your show.  Please don't feel like I am beating you up, but when I saw this show, I cried.  When you discovered your daughter had messed her pants, the look on her face was pure fear and it broke my heart.  I can see that you love your daughter and I know you do not mean to make her feel like that.  It is clear that you are giving in to your own frustration with the situation.  I can totally see why you are doing this, the situation seems very difficult.  I have 2 typical children under 2 and i work with at risk teens in placement, and that sometimes drives me to the edge.  You really need to seek out something that allows you to let go of the anger and frustration while it is happening.  For me, when I get frustrated with my older daughter, I just remember that she is being who she needs to be at 22 months and she can't help it...I then choose to enjoy the moment and see it through her eyes, even if it means she is dumping food on the carpet.  This allows me to center myself and talk to her calmly.  I have gotten really good at this with practice, after all, she is more important to me than the carpet, and whats done is done.  I know your situation is much more complex, but if you remember that the solution is within you to lessen your frustration, because it does not seem that your daughter can help most of what is going on within her.  I always tell people that if someone took two photos of me at different times in the same day, they might catch my absolute worst moment and my absolute best, and it would not be fair for anyone to judge me based on one snapshot of one day...  Good Luck!
 
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November 7, 2005, 4:39 pm PST

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Hello everybody. I have never posted on this message board before, but after yesterday's show I feel compelled to. I want one point to get across and that is that eating disorders are not a choice. Anorexia nervosa is a brain disorder, the causation lies in the brain. Our brains are abnormal, just like the young girl with PWS. Triggers are the underlying issues, not the causation. The causation is in our brains. It is a disease, and there is no cure (management, yes, but no cure). That is the first point I want to make clear. I have been suffereing with anorexia for over 6 years and have been to many treatment centers and researched more than my fair share of information on anorexia. If you don't believe me about the causation being in the brain, see for yourself at this medical page http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?DB=pubmed  

I was very upset with Dr. Phil after yesterday's show. The first thing I  heard Dr. Phil say to Kathy was that she looked wonderful. Hello?? WOnderful, good, great, healthy, etc. all equate FAT in our minds! I was livid by that time and should have turned the channel, but I chose not to. Dr. Phil, don't you understand that eating disorders are not a choice and that any comment on our appereance is not needed and only a trigger? I was also upset by how the show kept flashing Kathy's emaciated pictures and her extreme weight. Weight is not reflective of the amount of pain we are all in. One does not have to be extremely emacaited in order to be suffering imensly. I felt so bad for Kathy because of how her weight and pictures were right there in front of her the whole show.  I'm sure it was a BIG trigger! Kathy, I am so proud of you for having the strength and courage to go on the show and give yourself a voice. You are an inspiration, and girl, you are stronger than you think you are.  

I am also upset because it seemed as if Dr. Phil was saying that Kathy is now recovered. SHe has worked very hard, yes, but the hell will live on for MUCH MUCH longer and it seems to minimalize her pain and suffering. I am sorry if I sound like I am lecturing, but I just cannot stay quiet. Too much misinformation and stereotypes are out there. People with eating disorders are anything but selfish. We did not choose this way of coping. Please understand that. We did not choose this. We live with undescribable pain and hurt each and everyday. The battle in our minds is out of control, however, we percieve anorexia to be the only thing we can control. Anorexia is hell and recovery is much more hell. People do not understand how HARD it is to eat or to not purge. It is a battle each and every day. Our minds scream at us how fat, lazy, worthless, selfish, and undeserving we are. Anorexia is PAIN! If any of you have anything in response to this, I would love to talk with you. Anorexia has killed me every single day I continue to hold on, and I understand just how horrible and painful this road to health is. Thank you all for listening, 

Julie 

I am sorry that you are having such a difficult time. I think you need to believe that while there is no "cure", recovery is possible. If you can't hold on to this hope, it is very difficult to fight this disease.  

Re Dr Phil telling Kathy she looked "wonderful" - I understand exactly what you mean re people commenting on appearance, however the reality is that people do this. I think that Dr Phil had probably made sure that Kathy was comfortable with what he was going to say to her before saying anything. Obviously I don't know, but I doubt he is completely unaware of the potential effects of such comments. I hope that you can find some hope in your struggle. I have been extremely ill with anorexia and hospitalized multiple times. Good luck - try to not get upset with TV shows - use that energy for yourself, I know this is hard. 

 
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November 7, 2005, 4:51 pm PST

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November 7, 2005, 5:03 pm PST

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I have been struggling with anorexia for more years than I would like to say. It makes me sad to say that I was jealous that Dr. Phil helped this girl get good help for her eating disorder. I am extremely low income and disabled so I don't have good insurance or much money so good treatment centers like Castlewood are out of my reach. My therapist wanted me to go into Castlewood but they don't take my insurance and I don't have any money or any way of getting any money so when I saw that he helped her to get the help I felt sad. I know this sounds terrible but I want help so badly but just can't afford it. I fear eventually I will die from this.
I have to say that I know exactly what you mean. It is very difficult to see people with anorexia go on TV and get all their treatment paid for (e.g. the girl on Entertainment Tonight). I don't have any good answers for you. My experience was that even with insurance, the cost of residential treatment is not fully covered. However I, and other people I know, have managed to get inpatient/residential treatment. You need to get your doctor (I assume you have one - if not you need one) to help you research treatment centers anywhere in the US. I don't know about your insurance but it may pay for part of the cost somewhere else. Some places also have scholarships. It is a nightmare to get through the red tape to be admitted anywhere (unless you are wealthy) - particularly if you have no help from family and you are sick, but that isn't going to change anytime soon. With the help of my MD I was able to be admitted to Remuda Ranch in Arizona with no money up front. (Unfortunately when I relapsed 4 years later they wanted $45,000 up front immediately ..!?! so I was not able to return, despite being 1000 times sicker....I was admitted to a regular medical hospital for tube feeding since my insurance paid for this). So, hope this helps. 
 
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November 7, 2005, 6:26 pm PST

May God help you through this..

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OK, first of ALL... until recently I did not know what my daughter had. Second of all, your son is ONLY 21 months....you have NO clue what the future holds for you with a child who has that disorder. Savannah has terrible fits of rage, violent outbursts, and screams bloody murder when she doesnt get her way. DEAL WITH THAT!!! you havent seen anything yet. Im a 24 year old SINGLE mom with 2 spoiled little brats. I try to do the best I can. I DO spoil them sometimes because I love them, but its taking its toll! NO ONE who knows me will EVEN watch my one year old. (she was born a mamma's girl and a screamer!) IM ALL ALONE. I went to Dr. Phil for help because OBVIOULSY I felt I needed it!!! Can I get SOME credit?! People dont air their dirty laundry JUST BECAUSE! Do you think I want the whole world to think Im a jerk?! NO, but I DO Know I need help with dealing with my daughter. I cant handle it by myself. Dont come down on someone that had the nerve to even come forward! its a good thing! I HAD THE "BALLS" TO SAY ON NATIONAL TV WHAT EVERY OTHER FRUSTRATED PARENT IS THINKING, AND I WASNT SCARED!!!! be a jerk if you want, but i think I just opened up a whole can of worms...youll see. TUNE IN!!!! 

  

Hi michelle,I watched the show that you were on and at first I was very judgemental,but I just felt so bad for little savannah to be treated like that,but I did have to realize that you were there for help.so I admire that.I really do hope that you understand how important it is to keep trying and do not give up!! I also have an anger problem when things get stressful,I would probably be just like you in your situation.It really must be soooooooo difficult to deal with.I was wondering if you go to a church and/or  if you are saved?? If not,what do you think about seeking jesus to helping you through this and do you want to know what I mean by "saved"?And if so,what church or what religion,etc.? I know that god can play in a huge part in getting you through this situation that probably feels impossible to get through. If you really want to change the way you treat your daughter and are done trying it on your own strength,please try seeking the Lord Jesus.Jesus can help you have self-control and take away all the anger you feel inside about the things that come with raising savannah.let me know.....
 
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November 7, 2005, 8:00 pm PST

All you need is love...

I have known Nichelle and her daughters for quite some time now. She is compassionate at times, and she is stern at times, she makes mistakes, and she is always human. 

  

She came to the show to get help. Not only for her precious daughter, (whom by the way is a great and loving child, but can damage even the strongest of patience) but for herself as well. 

  

Have you ever found yourself so frustrated at work, or by a neighbor, or debt, for example, that you felt like the world may as well just close up and swallow you whole? If not, please don't judge her. If so, show compassion. I have a child with Hydrocephalus, Rhombencephalosynapsis, Arnold Chiari malformation, and many many other issues. Let me be the first to say, IT IS HARD. I find myself breaking down at least once a month. sometimes I'm so frustrated that I'm shaking. 

  

It's hard. Only one thing is harder: Going on national television and yelling to the whole world that you need help. Sitting and listening to everyone that happened to have an opinion, and actually taking that opinion to heart. That's harder.  

  

She has showed more control, and self sacrifice than any of you here. Haven't you ever had a dark moment where you felt such rage? Have you never seen yourself in a position where your kids are simply driving you crazy? Well she told it all. It's not a thought deep inside her head, like most of you here, she, unlike most of you, could admit what she did was wrong, and she knew she needed help. Now I know most parents don't hit their children, disabled or not, but most people aren't on Dr. Phil asking for help either. And of those parents who have hit their children, very very few actually admit to it. 

  

She is a good person. She IS young, she IS ignorant of the condition, but keep in mind they just got diagnosed a couple of months ago. 

  

She has made some changes in her life, and things can only get better from here. Please help her be better. Encourage her to get better, don't point out what she already knows to be a fault. She is working very hard to bring you all an inspiring update show. She wants to share with you all the great changes she has made and will continue to make. She loves her daughter, and as hard as it is to believe, she felt that the strong words, and actions that she showed her daughter were a "tough love" approach.  

  

As for the "bad light" on PWS, Although eating is only one aspect of the syndrome, and sometimes not the most important aspect, I think that any one person who honestly believes that this one child represents every child with PWS, and this one parent represents every parent of a child with PWS, isn't competent enough to have a valid opinion. This is one story, as a matter of fact, they state that in the very beginning of the show. 

  

Thank you for taking the time to read this,  

  

Sarah  

 
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November 8, 2005, 6:59 am PST

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OK, first of ALL... until recently I did not know what my daughter had. Second of all, your son is ONLY 21 months....you have NO clue what the future holds for you with a child who has that disorder. Savannah has terrible fits of rage, violent outbursts, and screams bloody murder when she doesnt get her way. DEAL WITH THAT!!! you havent seen anything yet. Im a 24 year old SINGLE mom with 2 spoiled little brats. I try to do the best I can. I DO spoil them sometimes because I love them, but its taking its toll! NO ONE who knows me will EVEN watch my one year old. (she was born a mamma's girl and a screamer!) IM ALL ALONE. I went to Dr. Phil for help because OBVIOULSY I felt I needed it!!! Can I get SOME credit?! People dont air their dirty laundry JUST BECAUSE! Do you think I want the whole world to think Im a jerk?! NO, but I DO Know I need help with dealing with my daughter. I cant handle it by myself. Dont come down on someone that had the nerve to even come forward! its a good thing! I HAD THE "BALLS" TO SAY ON NATIONAL TV WHAT EVERY OTHER FRUSTRATED PARENT IS THINKING, AND I WASNT SCARED!!!! be a jerk if you want, but i think I just opened up a whole can of worms...youll see. TUNE IN!!!! 

  

I first of all want to say that you state your kids are spoiled brats, how do you think that makes them feel to hear their mother say that? You have said some pretty rotten and hurtful things to those kids and especially Savannah. That poor girl didn't ask to be brought into the world, she sure as heck didn't ask to have a disability. You also didn't ask for her disability, but it is there, you have ti understand that. You cannot sit and do or say the things you do to those kids. Savannah is a beautiful little girl with a big heart and a beautiful smile. You need to be grateful for having her, there are so many people out there that cannot have kids, you can and did, so take it as a gift and stop doing the things that could make you loose those angels. I understand frustration, I am a single mom of 3 girls and I am only 30, I have days where I want to lash out, but I look at them and think "how could I say or do anything to hurt them?" and then I go take a time out to regain my composure and then go out to deal with the problem with a level head. I have illnesses, I have 2 children with illnesses, 1 ADHD and 1 with a bad heart and a pacemaker, the 3rd one is just plain out a teenager, but I am lucky to have them, I am lucky to be alive. You have to live everyday as if it were your last or the last day of your children's lives, love them, nurture them, hug and kiss them, tell them they are beautiful and show them how much you care. You cannot make them truly happy with material things, those things loose meaning, you have to use love and words to spoil them, that is what will matter in the end. If you keep on the way you were/are, you will loose their love and respect. Please, get some help, research, go to support groups. I know that the state and county you are in can help, have you looked into respite care? I have and it helps allot, my ADHD daughter goes to respite every other weekend, that gives me time away from the stress that goes along with her, and it gives me time to focus on my other 2 girls and my relationship with my boyfriend. You need to reach out to all that can help you, there is TONS of help and if you need help finding it, ask, email me, i will help you! kay.cadotte@student.mnwest.edu   I am going to college for Child Development and Special needs, I can and will help you in anyway I can. I don't check in here daily, so email me with any response to this or if you want help. In fact, if there is anyone who needs some help, for anything, email me. I too suffer from an eating disorder, I have many physical and mental illnesses (Bipolar, depression, Adult ADHD, Lupus, Fibromyalgia, Rheumatoid Arthritis, and an eating disorder and I have a child with ADHD and one with a Heart defect) I am studying and have been in college for awhile now and I want to help children and families. I am here for anyone!! All you have to do is reach out. *********HUGS******** 

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I first of all want to say that you state your kids are spoiled brats, how do you think that makes them feel to hear their mother say that? You have said some pretty rotten and hurtful things to those kids and especially Savannah. That poor girl didn't ask to be brought into the world, she sure as heck didn't ask to have a disability. You also didn't ask for her disability, but it is there, you have ti understand that. You cannot sit and do or say the things you do to those kids. Savannah is a beautiful little girl with a big heart and a beautiful smile. You need to be grateful for having her, there are so many people out there that cannot have kids, you can and did, so take it as a gift and stop doing the things that could make you loose those angels. I understand frustration, I am a single mom of 3 girls and I am only 30, I have days where I want to lash out, but I look at them and think "how could I say or do anything to hurt them?" and then I go take a time out to regain my composure and then go out to deal with the problem with a level head. I have illnesses, I have 2 children with illnesses, 1 ADHD and 1 with a bad heart and a pacemaker, the 3rd one is just plain out a teenager, but I am lucky to have them, I am lucky to be alive. You have to live everyday as if it were your last or the last day of your children's lives, love them, nurture them, hug and kiss them, tell them they are beautiful and show them how much you care. You cannot make them truly happy with material things, those things loose meaning, you have to use love and words to spoil them, that is what will matter in the end. If you keep on the way you were/are, you will loose their love and respect. Please, get some help, research, go to support groups. I know that the state and county you are in can help, have you looked into respite care? I have and it helps allot, my ADHD daughter goes to respite every other weekend, that gives me time away from the stress that goes along with her, and it gives me time to focus on my other 2 girls and my relationship with my boyfriend. You need to reach out to all that can help you, there is TONS of help and if you need help finding it, ask, email me, i will help you! kay.cadotte@student.mnwest.edu   I am going to college for Child Development and Special needs, I can and will help you in anyway I can. I don't check in here daily, so email me with any response to this or if you want help. In fact, if there is anyone who needs some help, for anything, email me. I too suffer from an eating disorder, I have many physical and mental illnesses (Bipolar, depression, Adult ADHD, Lupus, Fibromyalgia, Rheumatoid Arthritis, and an eating disorder and I have a child with ADHD and one with a Heart defect) I am studying and have been in college for awhile now and I want to help children and families. I am here for anyone!! All you have to do is reach out. *********HUGS******** 

Kay Cadotte 

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I am also on MSN messenger, you can add me by searching using my email address. 

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