Topic : 08/25 Extreme Food Obsessions

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Created on : Friday, October 28, 2005, 02:17:57 pm
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(Original Air Date: 11/03/05) What if you were so obsessed with eating that it almost killed you, or craving food so badly that you yelled, kicked and screamed when you couldn't get enough. Nichelle's 6-year-old daughter has Prader-Willi Syndrome and constantly wants to eat. She once threw a fit so loud, the neighbors called the police. Can Nichelle learn to control her own temper when her daughter has a tantrum? Then, Dr. Phil follows up with Kathy, an anorexic whose condition was so severe, she weighed only 68 pounds. She spent three months in treatment, but her struggle is not over yet. Can her family learn the difference between supporting her and enabling her? Talk about the show here.

 

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November 3, 2005, 5:40 pm PST

A missed issue

Dr Phil,  

  

             I watched the show about the mother with the Prader-Willie child and yes I found her behavior as frightening as you and the others watching,  I do think that a major issue was not mentioned and needs to be addressed by you and the other health care professionals who see this kind of behavior.  

       I am the mother of a 20 year old son who has autism, mental retardation, aggressive behavior and he keeps growing and growing.  As a the mother of 3 year old Chad I remember the feeling of fear and dread when I saw adults who had similar diagnoses. You feel overwhelmed, angry at the world and at God at times for putting you in this position with this strange child.  You long for normalcy and think of life in  "what if" terms.  Life seems very lonely most of the time.  These early years are so hard for parents and dealing with their own emotional issues  as well as the physical and mental disability of a child . 

         I watched this mother today,  she was so lost and became so frighted when she saw an adult with the same disorder.. although I  do not  agree with her actions with her daughter I did want to reach out and hug her.  She has a long road to travel down and it will not be an easy one.   Most people she meets along the way will not understand what it takes to get through a single day,  every one is quick to either criticize or over praise every single action.     

        The last 20 years of my life have been both terrifying and joyous. Chad is the purest soul I know and  has been my greatest teacher.  Although my life will never be normal in the most common terms...  who wants normal??  I prefer interesting.. its been a lesson learned.  

  

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November 3, 2005, 5:41 pm PST

Eating Disorder

 Today, after watching the Dr. Phil show, was the first time I had ever heard of PWS.   I started to wonder if it was possible that my 13 year old daughter could have this disease because she seems to have an obsession with food and would eat constantly if I did not limit her.  She is overweight and nothing seems to deter her desire to eat.  I have had her tested to see if she had a thyroid problem, something I have, and was told that she was fine.  The difference in her behavior compared to the children on the show is that she doesn't become quite so angry  and upset when she is denied food so I'm wondering is there a degree of severity?  In other words, could someone, say, have a trace and is this something that developes over time or do the symptoms present themselves early in a child's life?  I hope this isn't a silly question but I'm  so worried about my daughter.   She is close to 200 lbs.  We have a membership at a gym, she plays sports but is not very active otherwise.  Also, she doesn't have any of the developmental issues the children on the show have.  That's why I'm asking if it's possible there could be a trace of the disorder without it being full blown.   Any comments will be appreciated.
 
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November 3, 2005, 5:42 pm PST

They never feel full.

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I agree with the people who say stop buying junk food.  Sometimes genetic disease are made worse by the environment. You should be reading up on what food research has shown alleviate PW Syndrome.  I thought I heard something from another parent about not eating any dairy products or maybe it was only dairy products.  Reward your daughter by feeding her.  My professional advice is that she always have a cold bottle of water (so she feels full) or milk and a box of a dozen popsicles a day is not going to hurt her.  Tell her she can have unsalted homemade potatoe cubes but  ask her if she first will drink a full cup of kool-aid and then ask her if she wants another, before she can have the potatoes.  Something where you used healthy foods to reward her.  Plan ahead that you will have to feed her veggies and sandwich halves 12 times a day.  

  

I'll go to the university library and research you conditions myself..It may take a week, but I will post my finding. 

  

Please feel free to add me to you mailing list, and contact me some time.  Your path is right up my alley. 

  

Jaclyn

 

 "Reward your daughter by feeding her ... always have a cold bottle of water (so she feels full) ... "

WHAT?  I think you do need to do some research.  The whole point is that people with PWS - NEVER FEEL FULL.
 
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November 3, 2005, 5:46 pm PST

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i am the father  of a 12 year old boy logan he has pws i could feed him a 10 course meal of steak and salad and when his plate was empty his response would be one more bite please. pws also has a real down side effect in that he does not develop lean muscle so he cannot metabolize calories. he must observe a very strict calorie limited diet he has 200 cal for breakfast 100 cal snack at 10am 200 cal lunch 100 cal snack at 4pm and 200 cal dinner. 800 cal a day or he puts on a pound for every 3000 he has in excess. the answer is not to let them put on weight because you have to starve them to get it off. the behavior you saw is some what typical our biggest battles are fights over food. you as a caregiver are limited to the same menu and portions or he feels you are cheating him. you must keep on schedule or he stresses about when he will get his food. his ocds are at times enough to drive you insane he repeats the same question over and over like a scratched record. you cant tell him an event in advance unless that is all you want to talk about till then. logan is soooooo cool he is my best friend he has a love for every one around him and cannot stand to see someone un happy he will hug a stranger, tell the cook at the restaurant thanks for the food, and greet every one with a smile when he has a melt down he feels so bad for often they become violent he feels so bad and cant get over it until he has the reassurance that the relationship is OK. I'm not gonna kid you this is the hardest thing i have ever had to do. to keep your cool when hes out of control is hard. this takes so much patience and time and money. i wouldn't trade him for anything in the world
I just wanted to say thank you for giving me hope that not all these children are being treated that way.  You sound like a very loving father and Logan is lucky to have you.  Keep up the fantastic work and continue to get the help you need when you feel stressed out and ready to crack!   
 
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November 3, 2005, 5:48 pm PST

11/03 Extreme Food Obsessions

In response to the people who have posted who are implying that children with PWS are "spoiled" or  "why can' t they just feed them healthy foods" -- this is a real illness that is caused by a deletion on the 15th chromosome.  The area of the brain called the hypothalamus does not work properly and in addition to affecting hunger it also controls growth hormone, metabolism, temperature regulation and behavior. etc.  It's not a matter of just feeding healthy foods -- imagine ALWAYS feeling hungry no matter what you eat and then having your daily caloric intake reduced to accomadate your slow metabolism -- many with this syndrome are on 800 calories a day and still gain weight. This child is not being a brat -- she is responding the only way her little body knows how to respond in an environment where food is not controlled and she is not receiving the support she REQUIRES.  Children and adults DIE as a result of this syndrome. Nichelle I urge you to get the help you need to care for Savannah --her life depends on it!! There's a wonderful network of Moms (and some Dads and Grandparents too) who are going through exactly what you are going through and have found ways to not only deal with this but to make life enjoyable!!  

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November 3, 2005, 6:04 pm PST

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Quote From: jalyn4wilh

Also,  

I agree with the people who say stop buying junk food.  Sometimes genetic disease are made worse by the environment. You should be reading up on what food research has shown alleviate PW Syndrome.  I thought I heard something from another parent about not eating any dairy products or maybe it was only dairy products.  Reward your daughter by feeding her.  My professional advice is that she always have a cold bottle of water (so she feels full) or milk and a box of a dozen popsicles a day is not going to hurt her.  Tell her she can have unsalted homemade potatoe cubes but  ask her if she first will drink a full cup of kool-aid and then ask her if she wants another, before she can have the potatoes.  Something where you used healthy foods to reward her.  Plan ahead that you will have to feed her veggies and sandwich halves 12 times a day.  

  

I'll go to the university library and research you conditions myself..It may take a week, but I will post my finding. 

  

Please feel free to add me to you mailing list, and contact me some time.  Your path is right up my alley. 

  

Jaclyn

 

Sorry,  there is nothing that alleviates the symptoms of PWS. Dairy products have nothing to do with it......a cold bottle of water will NOT make her feel full -- you do not understand that NOTHING will make her feel full. They will eat until their stomach expands so much that part of it dies off. You NEVER reward a child with PWS with food! You could feed them an entire bag of "potatoe cubes" and a gallon of Koolaid (which by the way is something a child w/ PWS should not have) and they would not feel full. I'm horrified that you are attempting to give advice to someone when you obviously know nothing about this syndrome. Veggies and sandwich halves 12 times a day would turn a child with this syndrome into a very obese child!!  

 

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November 3, 2005, 6:07 pm PST

Some kids do better in a Board and Care homes

I think board and care home situation might be an alternative that should be looked into for this little girl.  Even short term to try out whether a more structure environment brings out better control of her behavior.  This would also give mom time center herself so she feels good about being a mom again.  This is not like a foster home where social workers are in charge Mom would be able to say how much time she spend and how she wants to spend that time.  She would still retain full custody but get some much needed help.   

  

  

  

There are some great board and care homes that provide ridged structure and if chosen correctly I think this little girl would thrive. 

  

  

  

Sometimes when it is not working it’s a good idea to let someone else help out for a while.
 
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November 3, 2005, 6:16 pm PST

Kathy and Doctor Phil.

Kathy and Doctor Phil. Kathy I think that you are doing well at the ranch and Doctor Phil I think that some people do have eating disorder aswell. I donot have a eating disdorder aswell. Well see y- 

ou tomorrow. Friend your Russell

 

 
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November 3, 2005, 6:16 pm PST

Nichelle is abusing her child with PWS

 Watching the show today, I was so angry at Nichelle!  She said she knows her child can't help the way she acts when Dr. Phil asked her, but then she said that her child "knows the rules" but misbehaves on purpose.  How can you want your child to hear abusive things from you, rather than from people at school??  Home is supposed to be your haven, not where your own mother calls you names!  I can't even begin to imagine how much patience and love it takes to raise a child with PWS, but this woman obviously doesn't love her child!  She wants her to be "normal" and seems to be trying to beat the normality into her.  I pray that Dr. Phil keeps a close eye on this woman, and that he contacts the authorities in Nichelle's area to alert them to what she is doing to this poor child!  I have never agreed more with what Dr. Phil says than I did today, and I really hope Nichelle got the wake-up call she desperately needs!  Thank you, Dr. Phil, for helping this poor child.
 
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November 3, 2005, 6:21 pm PST

There is a light

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I know Dr. Phil tries to help people with shows about anorexia, but all he does is trigger me to lose the weight I've gained. I feel so huge, and whatever Kathy has gained, if anything, is probably no where near what I weigh now. Just looking at the smallness of other anorexics make me feel like you-know-what. I'm still underweight, but on the borderline I think. I just don't see it- I just see extreme fat. My metabolism is completely messed up now, so it is extremely hard for me to lose weight, and super easy to gain.

I think the reason is not to hurt...but to show those with eating disorders and their families, that if Kathy, being as far into the disease as she was, could go into recovery there is hope for many.  She was in a far place...this is not to diminish yours or anyone else's ED.  But, if Kathy can beat it....where she was, than so can You!  That is the point..... Not to show you shocking pictures or to stir emotions but I am sure Dr. Phil in his "real" ways, wanted to show that it is possible for YOU to beat this....!  It is about healing and hoping....and I truly believe that is what his message was about today. I am sure Kathy will be an inspiration to many…. If she can make it, being this extreme, then there is hope for a lot of people out there with Eating Disorders that didn’t think they had a chance. 

 

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