Topic : 08/25 Extreme Food Obsessions

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Created on : Friday, October 28, 2005, 02:17:57 pm
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(Original Air Date: 11/03/05) What if you were so obsessed with eating that it almost killed you, or craving food so badly that you yelled, kicked and screamed when you couldn't get enough. Nichelle's 6-year-old daughter has Prader-Willi Syndrome and constantly wants to eat. She once threw a fit so loud, the neighbors called the police. Can Nichelle learn to control her own temper when her daughter has a tantrum? Then, Dr. Phil follows up with Kathy, an anorexic whose condition was so severe, she weighed only 68 pounds. She spent three months in treatment, but her struggle is not over yet. Can her family learn the difference between supporting her and enabling her? Talk about the show here.

 

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November 3, 2005, 6:53 pm PST

I am a recovered bulimic...

...yet, when I say "recovered", I mean recovered in the physical sense. I don't purge, anymore, or take laxatives, etc. But every once in a while, that mental aspect comes back of "I feel fat", when I only weigh 113 pounds. It's a tough struggle, but I know I can get through it. I've come so far the way it is. If anyone who is going through this would like help or advice, you can e-mail me at diversimplicity@yahoo.com  

 

Take care <3 

 

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November 3, 2005, 6:54 pm PST

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After watching your show today about the 6year old girl with PWS reminded me of my step-daugther when she was that age.  She is now 28 years old.  I think she might have PWS.  Should I show her the taping of the show and tell her I think she might have PWS or just mind my own business?  We are not real close and she might think I'm making fun of her or being mean.  You can't say anything about her health or well being without her getting upset.  Any suggestion? 

 
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November 3, 2005, 6:55 pm PST

PWS brother

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Jaclyn, 

 

You are so misinformed. You need to do your research before you give professional advice.   Your alley sounds like it might be the back alley. 

 

My son Jeremy had Prader Willi. He passed away just after his 17th birthday.  He was a medically very well managed child with PWS. We did this by limiting his food intake, 1100 calories a day, as well as treating him with Growth Hormone, as prescribed by his doctor.  He was 5ft 6in and 135 when he died.  If we had not properly managed his eating and behavior I am sure he would have been well over two hundred pounds and had many more medical problems than just PWS.  He died when his stomach ruptured after sneaking food and the complications that followed.    

 

There any many good doctors that specialize in Prader Willi, Dr. Dan Driscoll at the Univeristy of Florida Shands Hospital is probally the foremost Genetic expert in the US.   

 

I suggest that people go to the National Prader WIlli Syndrome web site www.pwsusa.org  to get the facts rather than rely on the postings of some on this message board that my or may not be as qualified as they suggest. 

 

Pete 

Pete,  I am the primary caregiver of my brother who has PWS and he has been very successful with sometimes being rewarded with food.  If I tell him that he can have a Subway Sandwich once a week if he has a good week then he is very motivated by that.  He does really well with delayed gratification and he also lives in his own apartment.  He has never been given a growth hormone and  he is only 4'10".  He weighs 140 lbs and his bi-monthly Dr.s appointments are always good.  I think that like anything else, different things work for different people.  Jon loves to get seconds of veggies just as much as anything else and he eats better than a lot of people that I know..I understand all of the struggles with PWS as much as any other family member does and I'd hate for people to rule out something as an option just because it wouldn't have worked for someone else... jesland
 
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November 3, 2005, 7:07 pm PST

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  Hi my name is andrea and I watched the show on nov.3 2005.  I was quite suprised at how (as usual) hard Dr. Phil was on her mother. I am not a therapist or Dr. in anyway. I am however a mother of an ADHD/Bipolar child that poses difficulty on a daily basis.  I fell that Savanah's mother is wrong for the way she handles things, and is trying the best she knows how.  I feel that Dr. Phil more times than not says he "understands" the challenges parents with special needs kids face, and yet he was blessed with children that are "normal"(for lack of a better word).  I think that until you have really faced and lived these challenges you can't understand the difficulty we face. There are days that I too lose my temper, I am human and doing the best I can.  I can say that as my son gets older and so do I doctors and therapists take me and my husband more seriously than they did when we were younger. I have also done as much research as I can to get the info to help me be a better mom day in and day out. Even with a GREAT therapist and Phsyciatrist things are still very hard.  I want Savanahs mom to know that I really DO understand the pain and hurt she feels day in and out.  I am not trying to bag on Dr. Phil, I feel that he is a very intellagent man and offers alot of help to alot of people, I just wish that he could be a little less hard on parents with children that are more of a challenge than he and most other people ever dreamed they could be.  I'm not a perfect mom, and don't claim to know everything.  The one thing I do know is that we too as parents can feel as though we are being kicked while we are down when Dr. Phil is so harsh.
 
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November 3, 2005, 7:24 pm PST

Don't mess with something that you don't understand....

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I think the reason is not to hurt...but to show those with eating disorders and their families, that if Kathy, being as far into the disease as she was, could go into recovery there is hope for many.  She was in a far place...this is not to diminish yours or anyone else's ED.  But, if Kathy can beat it....where she was, than so can You!  That is the point..... Not to show you shocking pictures or to stir emotions but I am sure Dr. Phil in his "real" ways, wanted to show that it is possible for YOU to beat this....!  It is about healing and hoping....and I truly believe that is what his message was about today. I am sure Kathy will be an inspiration to many…. If she can make it, being this extreme, then there is hope for a lot of people out there with Eating Disorders that didn’t think they had a chance. 

So...I watched the show today, and it was indeed rather triggering. I believe that the phrase "the road to destruction is paved with good intentions" is appropriate here.  The root of eating disorders is not food. It is a symptom. People who don't understand or know about eating disorders focus on weight, appearance, and food. When I have been in treatment, yes, I have gained weight. My biggest (as well as the others I've been with in treatment) fear in coming out of treatment is that those around me will focus on my weight and my appearance. The more you focus on the symptom, the harder it is for a person with an eating disorder to remember that the food is not the problem. For once, I'd like to see a person who actually knows about and works with eating disorders do a show on one. I'd like to see someone talk about the REAL issues underlying the problem. That way, a person warching with an eating disorder can actually begin the road to recovery.  Those who are supporting the person with the ED can start to have a clue how to help. Believe it or not, a person with anorexia knows, at least in a head knowledge way, that their health is in jeopardy. Oh yes...and the last thing that I ever want to see is a before and after picture. Body image is the last thing to get better, so seeing before pictures of myself only triggers that focus-on-my-body mechanism to kick in. For a person with anorexia, thin is actually beautiful and a mark of pride, accomplishment, and self control. Those are just my thoughts.
 
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November 3, 2005, 7:28 pm PST

the lie

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Yes, people that do not have anorexia really a lot of times do not understand how we become triggered hearing about or seeing someone at a really low weight.  I've never read Life Without ED, but I will try to do so.  I am trying to lose weight now. I know it's not for the 'best,' but I feel so lost without it.  Plus, my pants are tight and no sense having to buy new ones when I'd be happier skinnier, right? 

  

I hope that all of us wouldn't feel the need for this in our lives. It's just something to focus on and be in control over. I am so scared of growing up. I am 20, and I just cannot imagine growing old, alone, and........I'm going to cry. I love God, but I hate myself- what an ironic situation. 

Oh....sweetheart. Please don't believe the lie that you are happier thinner. I wish that Dr. Phil would have aired more of the author of Life Without Ed to speak. She is amazing and encouraging and actually knows how to overcome an ED. And it's not by losing weight and listening to Ed....read some of her book on www.lifewithouted.com.
 

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November 3, 2005, 7:39 pm PST

11/03 Extreme Food Obsessions

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After watching your show today about the 6year old girl with PWS reminded me of my step-daugther when she was that age.  She is now 28 years old.  I think she might have PWS.  Should I show her the taping of the show and tell her I think she might have PWS or just mind my own business?  We are not real close and she might think I'm making fun of her or being mean.  You can't say anything about her health or well being without her getting upset.  Any suggestion? 

You have a 28-year-old step-daughter who is overweight and you're wondering if you should mind your own business???   She's an adult!  Of course she's going to think you're just being mean!  Also, you say that you can't say anything to her "about her health or well being without her getting upset", so evidently you have approached this subject before.  She doesn't have PWS.  She has a stepmother who won't get off her case.
 
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November 3, 2005, 7:40 pm PST

11/03 Extreme Food Obsessions

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OMG!! I know that show has not aired yet. However, the story of the mother ( and I use that word VERY loosely) slapping her mentally handicapped child in the face and beating her with a belt is just totally outrageous to me. I am a mother of a 15 yr old boy who has Cerebral Palsy , Autistic, Asthmatic and is ADHD. The thought in his 15 years of life of laying a finger on him in violence yes I will admit has crossed my mind, but being a mother I know would not be in his best interest. He is the one who has issues and I am the adult so it is my job to be a nurturing, stable and loving figure in my son's life. This "mother" need to be in jail and have the child placed some were safe and loving. The violence she is enduring in her young life will have lasting effects in her world. Leaving her to think that to be "loved" she will have to go thru what she is now. I just hope and pray that either her Mom gets her act together or someone comes and carts her off and steps up and protects this little girl.

This mother, by going on national T.V. and admitting that she is overwhelmed to the point of abusing her child, is making a step in the right direction.  It's the mother that can't admit she is out out of control and hides the fact that is a real danger to her children.  This mother wants help and is willing to receive it.  Good for her.  She is to be commended for her honesty. 

  

You are correct that violence from one's parent has a life-long lasting affect.  It has for me. 

  

My mother never admitted she was an abusive parent and denies to this day that she ever hit me with a belt, extension cord, hair brushes, etc., or was so destructively verbally abusive, and I wasn't mentally handicapped and a challenge like this woman's daughter is, although no excuse justifies taking out your frustrations on a child.  I so hated my upbringing that I do not use corporal punishment with my child nor do I call him names.  Part of being a parent and an adult is making choices.  I have made a choice not to react in anger and strike another.  I will admit that it is hard to do at times, but ultimately I am the one that is in control of my emotions.  I think this mother is on the right track just by admitting she has a problem, and I wish her well in getting help. 

 
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November 3, 2005, 7:49 pm PST

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 I thought that I was alone in my thinking how selfish ,to not care that you are stinking up the whole house , eating everything in sight, greedy and angry and self centered. That all are suppose to watch your slow suicide. Hours spent in hospitals waiting, fear, dread almost losing oneself to the constant stress. seizures and broken bones, knocked out teeth, waiting watching and not being able to do anything.. They are adults, in charge of themselves I am told. but they call and say : YOU CAN COME AND GET THEM NOW. doctors all by the numbers. blood pressure is good,potatium is ok... minds gone, meds have taken away their ability to have any free will or common sense... fill the prescription. dont leave them alone... But its not your problem... I would love to be on your side for the law suit  because I am with you on the lack of  commitment from the doctors. No one wants to make the decision or take the blame or get it. I just read a book written in 1938 with case histories of anorexia /no one knows what happened unless they died. .. It is odd that it is one of the seven deadly sins: gluttony  and it seems to take their souls  and they make every thought action and event .. about them.. I am sure the caregivers go before the patients and they will only wonder What is gonna happen to ME.  I thank you for your words your honesty and I pray that there is divine intervention because everything else is apparently useless
Hi. I am a 28 year old who has struggled with anorexia for 18 years. I am on the road to recovery right now. If I was not, I would not be posting this reply. You see, bottling up my emotions and always trying to make everyone around me happy was the root of my eating disorder. Individuals with eating disorders are incredibly sensitive. They are the least selfish people I know. You have no idea what it is like to try to eat, to know that you NEED to eat, but to have a voice in your head shouting as loud as it can, "DO NOT PUT THAT IN YOUR MOUTH! YOU ARE FAT AND UGLY AND WORTHLESS! YOU DO NOT DESERVE THAT FOOD! YOU HAVE NO SELF CONTROL!!! YOU KNOW THAT IF YOU EAT THAT, I AM NOT GOING TO SHUT UP UNTIL YOU THROW IT UP!!! IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT?" A person can fight that voice for a little while, but please tell me, if someone were shouting like that at you, and you had no idea how to shut them up, and you could never ever get away from them, what would YOUR life be like? Especially if the one thing that gives you pleasure is trying to make other people happy? After a while, I didn't even know that anyone around me existed because all I could hear was that voice. Day in. Day out. Telling me not to trust the doctors, or my family, or my friends. Telling me that I was special because my ED made me special. Telling me that I could not live without it.  The one thing that a person with an ED is not...is selfish. So, just for me and my sanity, I am letting you know that I am angry. I will not try to please you and apologize for my selfishness because I am not a selgish person.
 
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November 3, 2005, 7:49 pm PST

Knowledge is Key!

Quote From: alorentson

  Hi my name is andrea and I watched the show on nov.3 2005.  I was quite suprised at how (as usual) hard Dr. Phil was on her mother. I am not a therapist or Dr. in anyway. I am however a mother of an ADHD/Bipolar child that poses difficulty on a daily basis.  I fell that Savanah's mother is wrong for the way she handles things, and is trying the best she knows how.  I feel that Dr. Phil more times than not says he "understands" the challenges parents with special needs kids face, and yet he was blessed with children that are "normal"(for lack of a better word).  I think that until you have really faced and lived these challenges you can't understand the difficulty we face. There are days that I too lose my temper, I am human and doing the best I can.  I can say that as my son gets older and so do I doctors and therapists take me and my husband more seriously than they did when we were younger. I have also done as much research as I can to get the info to help me be a better mom day in and day out. Even with a GREAT therapist and Phsyciatrist things are still very hard.  I want Savanahs mom to know that I really DO understand the pain and hurt she feels day in and out.  I am not trying to bag on Dr. Phil, I feel that he is a very intellagent man and offers alot of help to alot of people, I just wish that he could be a little less hard on parents with children that are more of a challenge than he and most other people ever dreamed they could be.  I'm not a perfect mom, and don't claim to know everything.  The one thing I do know is that we too as parents can feel as though we are being kicked while we are down when Dr. Phil is so harsh.
 I too watched tonights episode on Robin, the 6 year old with PWS.    I can't begin to understand the daily challenges that Nichelle goes thru with her daughter.  I am also a mother, and yes I have days that I just want to scream at the top of my lungs.  What bothered me the MOST about this mother was her lack of information about her daughters condition.  I think her "Im in denial" excuse is lame.  When my son was 2 weeks old he was diagnosed with "Pyloric Stenosis". I had no clue what that was, but you can bet your a** that I buried myself in research about it until I knew all there was to know about it.  Thankfully, it was curable by a surgical condition. My point is, I think Nichelle showed lack of concern and responsibility when she did not FULLY educate herself about her daughters condition. 
Also, where was the father in all of this??  There was no mention of the father at all, was just curious.
 

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