Topic : 08/25 Extreme Food Obsessions

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Created on : Friday, October 28, 2005, 02:17:57 pm
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(Original Air Date: 11/03/05) What if you were so obsessed with eating that it almost killed you, or craving food so badly that you yelled, kicked and screamed when you couldn't get enough. Nichelle's 6-year-old daughter has Prader-Willi Syndrome and constantly wants to eat. She once threw a fit so loud, the neighbors called the police. Can Nichelle learn to control her own temper when her daughter has a tantrum? Then, Dr. Phil follows up with Kathy, an anorexic whose condition was so severe, she weighed only 68 pounds. She spent three months in treatment, but her struggle is not over yet. Can her family learn the difference between supporting her and enabling her? Talk about the show here.

 

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November 4, 2005, 6:27 am PST

Support needed

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I watched Thursday's show and I was totally outraged with Nichelle and how she has been treating her daughter. This mother just does not get it. I still don't think she gets it after watching her reaction to the family that had the older PWS daughter. While my daughter does not have PWS she is a special needs child that is diagnosed with autistic spectrum disorders. Her behaviours are completely irrational at times and it is extremely stressful to have a child like her. I am very far from perfect and admit to raising my voice and at times I did yell at her when she was younger. However you have to draw the line when it comes to beating a child with a belt and/or  verbally and emotionally abusing any child. To know that you have a disabled child and continue to abuse your child just makes it that much harder to understand.  To think of what that poor child has been through. I really think Nichelle thought that we were going to feel sorry for her and condone how she has been raising this child. While the child has a very serious disability and is extremely frustrating to raise it offers an explanation for her behaviour but in my opinion it is definately not an excuse.  There will never be an excuse that warrants abusing any child never mind a child with PWS.  

  

 What this mother has been doing is definately child abuse and I am a bit suprised that Child Protection Services were not called regarding this mother and her treatment of her developmentaly delayed/disabled daughter.  I think that this child needs to be removed from the care of her mother until such time that the mother has been given enough training on PWS and gets her butt into anger management classes before this child should allowed in this mother's care. To have a child is privledge not a right, regardless of the disabilities the child may have.  

  

When a child is first born and the doctor announces that you have a healthy baby you immediately start to dream of  your healthy child's future. When the world comes crashing down around you because your child is not like the average ordinarly child you start wondering where you went wrong. Once you have a diagnosis you go through a denial period, then you go through perioid of mourning. You mourn for the loss of your normal child, or at least most do. Then you go through an period of anger and you hate the world because it is just not fair. Then there is acceptance so you can own the problem. If you don't own the problem it will never get better.  Nichelle has neither owned the problem nor does she seem willing to accept that her child will never be normal. Savannah is in my thought and in my prayers as she is going to need so much support to just make it to adulthood.  

  

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 Canadianmom, you miss the point. What is needed here is professional guidance and support, not taking the child away from her mother. Give the mother some help in coping skills, and some respite so she has a life too.
 
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November 4, 2005, 6:41 am PST

Savanah's Mom a monster

I watched the show for about ten minutes before I had to turn off the t.v., I couldn't watch what this poor baby has to endure everyday.  The mom says no one knows what it is like to be me!  if she can't treat her child like a human being then maybe she should have Savanah placed with someone that can deal with her. I don't scream the "F" word at my dog, nor will I scream it at the child I am now expecting.  I am an older mom and I decided up front to for go the amniocentesis, because it doesn't matter to me.  After having suffered with infertility I will take whatever God gives me. 

The bottom line is that Savanah's is being horribly abused by a monster that has the nerve to call herself a mother. 

 

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November 4, 2005, 6:49 am PST

Credit??

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OK, first of ALL... until recently I did not know what my daughter had. Second of all, your son is ONLY 21 months....you have NO clue what the future holds for you with a child who has that disorder. Savannah has terrible fits of rage, violent outbursts, and screams bloody murder when she doesnt get her way. DEAL WITH THAT!!! you havent seen anything yet. Im a 24 year old SINGLE mom with 2 spoiled little brats. I try to do the best I can. I DO spoil them sometimes because I love them, but its taking its toll! NO ONE who knows me will EVEN watch my one year old. (she was born a mamma's girl and a screamer!) IM ALL ALONE. I went to Dr. Phil for help because OBVIOULSY I felt I needed it!!! Can I get SOME credit?! People dont air their dirty laundry JUST BECAUSE! Do you think I want the whole world to think Im a jerk?! NO, but I DO Know I need help with dealing with my daughter. I cant handle it by myself. Dont come down on someone that had the nerve to even come forward! its a good thing! I HAD THE "BALLS" TO SAY ON NATIONAL TV WHAT EVERY OTHER FRUSTRATED PARENT IS THINKING, AND I WASNT SCARED!!!! be a jerk if you want, but i think I just opened up a whole can of worms...youll see. TUNE IN!!!! 

  

I think you need to realize hitting your child and not being able to control your anger is never excusable, there are many other people with children that have frustrating disabilities and never resort to being physical with thier child. That is something you need to work on and it is YOUR problem, not your childs. Your daughter didn't ask to be born with this condition and she understands it even less than you do, you know what it is now and have the ability to learn about it and understand it's ramifications in ways she won't be able to for years to come.  You do have to deal with it and you have to be the adult. Always. That's just the way parenting is. I understand it must be very hard being on your own doing it but maybe you should get some kind of support group so you can hold yourself together in front of your daughter. You call you children "two spoiled brats", you make your children what they are. They can only learn what they are being taught so maybe you need to reevaluate some things.
 
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November 4, 2005, 7:38 am PST

Food Obsessions

I have been reading some of the post regrading Savannah. Nichelle is ripping everyone who has offered a kind word.  She comments in a couple of her post she has 2 spoiled brats. I understand her 6 year old has PWS. But knowing that why doesn't she keep healthily foods in the house? Lunchables are so high in sodium.  I really think child services needs to look in on this woman, she may be abusing her other daughter. Is she taking her anger out on Savannah because the dad is not around or because of her condition. 

Nichelle remember your the one who spoiled them.  NICHELlE GET THE HELP DR. PHIL OFFERED, STOCK YOUR HOUSE WITH HEALTH FOODS, INSTEAD OF FATTY FOODS.   

  

  

 
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November 4, 2005, 8:07 am PST

Heartbroken for Savannah

I know this is my first post and so it is going to sound inflammatory, but I was so engraged watching yesterdays program I just had to come and get it off my chest.

  

 

I am a special education teacher and have been working with students with special needs for the past 4 years since I graduated college. I am also a young, 27 year old single mother who had a child at the age of 21. I recorded yesterdays show and watched it before bed and ended up crying myself to sleep. I have had 2 students in the past four years that have PWS. Every desire, every reaction, every craving they have is mentally driven. It is not something they can control, it is not something they can help. It is not something they can correct or work to change.

  

 

  

 

I was repulsed by the actions of this mother. I know first hand how hard it is to be a young single mother. But never is there an excuse to physically beat a child with a belt or use the language that this mother used towards her child, especially one that has no control over her actions. No, the child does not know better they are acting on the symptoms of their disease.

  

 

  

 

As an educator and advocate for children, if I were to see a parent of one of my students acting this way towards their child, I would have an emergency call into Child Protective Services to have the child removed from the home. The environment that this special needs child is being raised in is abusive, dangerous and all around unacceptable. She deserves to be with a parent that is able to effectively control their anger and takes actions and makes plans to improve the child’s life, not make it worse.

  

 

  

 

I sincerely hope the child is removed from the mothers home until the mom can learn how to be an acceptable and effective parent. I am still so angry about it, this is all that I can type for fear I will say something that crosses the line. My thoughts are with Savannah .

  

 

 
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November 4, 2005, 8:15 am PST

UNBELIEVABLE!

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OK, first of ALL... until recently I did not know what my daughter had. Second of all, your son is ONLY 21 months....you have NO clue what the future holds for you with a child who has that disorder. Savannah has terrible fits of rage, violent outbursts, and screams bloody murder when she doesnt get her way. DEAL WITH THAT!!! you havent seen anything yet. Im a 24 year old SINGLE mom with 2 spoiled little brats. I try to do the best I can. I DO spoil them sometimes because I love them, but its taking its toll! NO ONE who knows me will EVEN watch my one year old. (she was born a mamma's girl and a screamer!) IM ALL ALONE. I went to Dr. Phil for help because OBVIOULSY I felt I needed it!!! Can I get SOME credit?! People dont air their dirty laundry JUST BECAUSE! Do you think I want the whole world to think Im a jerk?! NO, but I DO Know I need help with dealing with my daughter. I cant handle it by myself. Dont come down on someone that had the nerve to even come forward! its a good thing! I HAD THE "BALLS" TO SAY ON NATIONAL TV WHAT EVERY OTHER FRUSTRATED PARENT IS THINKING, AND I WASNT SCARED!!!! be a jerk if you want, but i think I just opened up a whole can of worms...youll see. TUNE IN!!!! 

  

First, Awesome job on your part for getting help.  I can't imagine how hard it was to do that. I'm not going to pretend that I know what you are going through.  Like Dr. Phil said you are in way over your head.  You need a break, you need support, you need counseling.  After saying this....there is NO EXCUSE and NO DEGREE of stress that permits someone to hurt a child!  Walk out of the room, walk out of the house, slap yourself across the face-anything would be better then losing it and abusing your child. When I saw the humilation and hurt in your childs eyes when you ridiculed her about having an accident in her pants- I felt  anger towards you like I've never felt. I wanted your daughter taken away from you that moment.  But I know that because of a love you don't understand right now your daughter wouldn't want you to be taken away from her.  I think you need to be supervised with her until you get the help you need and your child deserves.  Have the human dignity to have someone else take care of  your child while you work out your own stuff.  Otherwise- if you can't do that ,step aside and give your child to someone who does have the patience and unconditional love to nurture her.  Don't wait until the authorities do it first.  You can do this! Please take care of the gift God gave you- your life and your daughters. 

 
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November 4, 2005, 8:28 am PST

THANK YOU :-) FROM THURSAYS SHOW, NICHELLE

THANK YOU :-) FROM THURSAYS SHOW

Thank you so much to all the people who posted messages here for me. Nice or mean I have taken the time to read everybodys opinion and take all said into consideration. I apologize that I said the kids were brats. They just act that way sometimes, I DO Love them and Ill do my best to handle the situation. I should not have been so negative in my postings...I guess I was just blown away by all the meanies who hadnt even seen the show yet. Thanks so much to the nice, positive, people who left such great messages. It IS appreciated. "you get more flies with sugar then with vinigar" (not that anyone wants flies! but you get my point! :)Thanks again to everyone.  

  

Sincerely, Nichelle  

 
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November 4, 2005, 8:30 am PST

THANK YOU :-) FROM THURSAYS SHOW, NICHELLE

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I have been reading some of the post regrading Savannah. Nichelle is ripping everyone who has offered a kind word.  She comments in a couple of her post she has 2 spoiled brats. I understand her 6 year old has PWS. But knowing that why doesn't she keep healthily foods in the house? Lunchables are so high in sodium.  I really think child services needs to look in on this woman, she may be abusing her other daughter. Is she taking her anger out on Savannah because the dad is not around or because of her condition. 

Nichelle remember your the one who spoiled them.  NICHELlE GET THE HELP DR. PHIL OFFERED, STOCK YOUR HOUSE WITH HEALTH FOODS, INSTEAD OF FATTY FOODS.   

  

  

( I posted this yesterday or the day before....you just couldnt see it due to all the posts.) THANK YOU :-) FROM THURSAYS SHOW

Thank you so much to all the people who posted messages here for me. Nice or mean I have taken the time to read everybodys opinion and take all said into consideration. I apologize that I said the kids were brats. They just act that way sometimes, I DO Love them and Ill do my best to handle the situation. I should not have been so negative in my postings...I guess I was just blown away by all the meanies who hadnt even seen the show yet. Thanks so much to the nice, positive, people who left such great messages. It IS appreciated. "you get more flies with sugar then with vinigar" (not that anyone wants flies! but you get my point! :)Thanks again to everyone.  

  

Sincerely, Nichelle  

 
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November 4, 2005, 9:08 am PST

Walk a mile in someone else's shoes before offering a diagnoses.

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Nichelle, 

In my opinion, I think that you are totally letting your child get over on you. For one I understand that you are a single Mother of two and you are only 24, but let me tell you something. I am am also a young Mother of two. I am only 21 years old. But, I feel like this if you really want your daughter to stop going on like she does then you need to buckle down and get yourself some guts! I totally understand that it is hard for you to deal with your little girls violent tantrums but, as a parent sometimes you have to go through a lot just to get to where you want to be. Eventually she will get tired of throwing her tantrum and calm down and if its that bad put her in her room until she can calm down. See my kids are one and two yrs. old perfect ages for throwing tantrums but, I can assure you that they NEVER carry on like that because I made it clear that I am the Mother and when I say no, thats what I mean and there are no if -ands, or buts about it!!  Somewhere along the line you need to teach your daughter self-disapline and you also need some yourself! No one ever said that being a parent was easy. Let me break it down for you.........no, I am not a single Mother but, I am the one who is home with my kids all day long and i teach they right from wrong eventually you need to teach you daughter that NOBODY in this world gets everything they want just when they want it. But let me also say this if you dont feel like you can handle your childs tantrums just that much try changing what she is eating. You are the on in the house buying the food so buy healty food change your eating habits and change hers. Instead of eating chips for a snack and getting mad when your daughter is right there ready to eat some with you why not try eating fruit for a sncak or something like that. In my opinion your whole situation is all about self-control and you need to get some and install it into your daughter. Cause let me tell you anytime there is something in here to eat or drink my kids want if I say no, I dare them to act up, you really have to get on you daughters level and let her know whos boss! To me it looks like right now she thinks she is, she is 6 yrs old and I can promise you she knows that if she wants something and you tell her no all she has to do is throw a fit and she knows she will get. My two year old is smart enough to know what to do to get what he wants so I know she is. You shold have nipped whats going on in the bud a long time ago, and if you dont get some self control to get her where she needs to be it will only get worse.  

Obviously, you were not paying attention to the true circumstances of Nichelle's daughter.  Nichelle's Age as a parent has a lot to do with it because she does not have any years of experience as an adult to know WHERE & HOW to ask questions regarding this very rare condition that her daughter has.  She doesn't have time or background to pickup workable discipline techniques.  Also as a single parent, there is no one else to fall back on so that she can take the time to make numerous phone calls, appointments, and research or even just have a moment to think on her own.   

  

Comparing her life to yours is like apples and oranges, especially when you lay this all on the issue of discipline & self-control.   Children who are physically or mentally challenged are unable to see the world as your healthy normal kids do.  Her daughter does not learn as easily as your babies do.  When she does learn, she has a much more difficult time with situational applications.   You have NO CLUE about what you are talking about in this situation regarding a special  needs child with this or any disorder.   

  

Cause and effects of misbehavior to this child are much different than for your 1 & 2 year old.  Tantrums can rage for hours and feed on themselves with non-special needs children.  My brother is deaf and I remember the nightmare he put my very strong & firm parents through with his physical tantrums.  They would last for hours... not just a couple, I"m talking about 8-10 hours.  Furniture & people were broken.   My mother had pictures of the bruises he inflicted when he was only 6 years old.  He never ever learned that screaming would get him nothing.  Even as a teenager, he was having them.  As an adult, people still give into him than risk his wrath.  Oh, he's a charmer when things go his way.  At least now he just cuts you out of his life when you say something he doesn't like.  Years go by without words from him.  But he's what my parents truly wanted for him -- a fully functioning independent adult member of society.   I'm not saying that his life is what ALL challenged individuals are like, but this world is so completely different than yours, that you cannot even fathom it.  By stating that all she needs is self-control & discipline, you minimize what her daughter must face to survive.   

   

 In the 1960s there was no one to help my mother through her day.  She had to drive long hours for him to be educated.  Raising a deaf child back then was equated to 5 children at one time.  Everyone told her to institutionalize him.  I"d hate to think what Nichelle goes through.  Despite abhoring her mindset that her daughter will learn not to overeat, comprehends 'pushing buttons,' and will be self sufficent despite mental retardations, I have to admire her willingness to be the scapegoat on national tv for everyone else who is mishandling their own situation.  I cringe at what she was doing, especially losing her temper at her child for losing hers.   With the right help & tools, I believe that her household environment will get better.  It can only improve :) 

  

 Stating your experience of dealing with your one and two year old children are complete successes at such an early age (theirs) is nothing but arrogance on your part.  It's much too soon to tell if your techniques actually work.  Remember, child rearing is not a sprint, but a marathon.  Let us know when they're 22 & hopefully independent how things work out :)   

  

My own daughter is 26 months old and she knows very well that tantrums are usually just ignored.  She'll end up talking to me or wandering off to do something else.  Right now, things are really good, but who knows what paths our lives will take.  I just know from the environment I was raised in, that her having no disabilities is so much easier than what my parents endured.   She is such a blessing no matter how strong willed, contrary, and moody her actions are.   

 
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November 4, 2005, 9:10 am PST

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This is the first time I find myself inclined to write to a talk show, but, given that I have a very personal connnection with the issue, I suppose it is not surprising.  Watching Michelle's pain come through was horrific - I don't condone the coping techniques - but she clearly stated that she wanted help.  I found out my daughter had PW when she was three and my reaction was to take a garbage bag and empty the entire contents of my kitchen into it!  I have not always coped well, but I did get help from some amazing professionals.  My daughter is now 23 and is 125 pounds.  She is awesome.  Although I realize that Dr. Phil was probably trying to shock treat Michelle by showing her Mirabelle's story, I was pretty angry that he could did not take the trouble to find a different scenario to show her, to give her hope.  I was just as distressed seeing Mirabelle's tape as I was seeing Michelle's.  Although I have no doubt that the family love Mirabelle, I did not see alot of evidence that she had been given many coping strategies or that her environment was very encouraging for other's to see.  Believe me, that is NOT the way it has to be. 

  

Michelle, please know that your daughter does NOT have to be obese, she can be taught to react appropriately and she can find her place in society.  But, it does require compassion, patience and love on your part.  It does require that you realize that she may hear what you say, may seem to even understand your rules, but that does not stop the impulses.  You have to teach her ways to cope that are realistic and you have to give her an environment that lends itself to helping her use her coping strategies.  She will require constant supervision, a group home environment when she is older - but she can have a great life and so can you. 

  

In all of this, please don't forget about your other child - of which little was said.  They too, deserve compassion, love and patience and they too, need to learn to cope with and love their sibling. 

  

Take heart, this is the beginning.  It was indeed brave of you to come forward, but the world is now watching to see where you will go from here.  I would love to find a way to help you.  I certainly would never presume to judge you - especially since we only knew you for 30 minutes. 

  

Diane 

 

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