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(Original Air Date: 11/10/05) Lies, deceit, sex and scandal. Dr. Phil speaks with husbands and wives who've been caught cheating — and are paying the price. Albert and Camille have been married 11 years, but she hasn't been able to trust him since his affair three years ago. Albert admits to cheating, and says he would do it again if he knew he could get away with a "freebie!" Camille is convinced he's still involved with other women, but Albert says he's not cheating. Then, Danielle and Chris were high school sweethearts, but less than three months after getting married, Danielle found herself in the arms of another man. Numerous affairs later, Danielle is pregnant with another man's child. Can these marriages survive this much betrayal?  Join the discussion.

 

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November 11, 2005, 7:27 am PST

11/10 Infidelity Aftermath

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I just wanted to let you  know that you really touched my heart yesterday.  I haven't read any of the other messages but I'm sure they're reiterating a lot of what you already suspected about the state of your marriage.  Beyond that, I just wanted to remind you that all the qualities that keep you hopeful that your marriage can succeed - patience, a willingness to forgive, maternal love, marital love, faith, and tenacity -speaks to what kind of human being you are, and I am grateful that you inhabit the same planet as I do.  I hope you understand the value of your generous nature and forgiving spirit since it is the recognition of  your own worth that will help you the most through this difficult time.  You and your family are in my prayers. 

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November 11, 2005, 7:34 am PST

WHAT IS WRONG WITH ......

What is wrong with everyone.  It seems to be to the point where some people who can't control themselves (cheaters) are just like a bunch of animals.  They don't have any remorse or morals and just do anything anywhere with anyone.  Self controll and self respect have just gone out of the window with some people, and it seems to just be getting worse and worse.  And the one's that are being cheated on that know about it just let it happen.  I really like what Dr. Phil said  " don't let the door hit you in the a**, jack".   I did that about a year and a half ago when I found out my husband was cheating on me, and had been during our entire 19 years of marriage.  Only he wasn't cheating with other women, but with men.  I was so discusted and hurt.  I waited till he went out of town on business and I confronted him about it and told him not to come home.   We've been divorce for about 7 months now and I feel so free and happy.  As Dr. Phil says, I got my backbone.  After I found out what he was doing I wasn't going to let 19 years and one day go by and let him get away with it.  I'm a single mother now and I've had some struggles along the way but I'm much happier then I have been in a long time. 

 
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November 11, 2005, 7:37 am PST

Suicide?

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I am going through something just like that. I got married to my husband young and we have one child and one on the way. Well he cheated on me  two months ago and I took him back. Now he is telling me he wants me to move out. I don't think I should have to. I feel for you. I really do. I know you feel like you are worthless but you need to know that your kids love you and that there are people out there that will be so much better to you. I can tell you what to do but I can't seem to do it myself. I am so scared to leave that I would rather stay and be unhappy then go and be alone.  I feel so bad. I DON"T think you should kill yourself cause that would mean she won. I will pray for you. I hope you know that you will make friends on here and listen to them. Let people help you. I hope this helped alittle 

  

Please take care of yourself 

  

  

I think not.  You have already wasted enough time on a worthless cause.  Your life is precious to God and to your family and friends.  You can get a new life.  I know it is hard but no one deserves to be mistreated.  Go to a therapist and get some counseling and set goals for yourself. You may need an anti-depressant for awhile who knows?  But what I do know is that nobody is worth killing yourself over.  If you have children they need your love as a parent.  This is painful I am sure but do not do this to yourself or to your children.   

  

Maybe, there is something much better in store for you.  Just continue to pray to God to give you strength right now to make the right decisions.  You need to stand up for yourself.  Every time you think about this and how much it hurts think about how you could use the same good God given time to do something nice for you and your children.  Be a little selfish right now and focus on yourself! I promise, little by little you will feel better about yourself.  Never allow someone like this to take away your self-esteem again.  I know. I went there myself. God Bless!  

 
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November 11, 2005, 7:44 am PST

Have Him Followed

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After eight years of marriage, and three wonderful kids, suddenly i'm facing divorce.  I posted last year about my husbands second affair, and that he was begging for another chance.  The lady he was seeing had passed away from cancer, and he seemed so sincere and remorseful....I knew somewhere in my heart that he'd never change, but i loved him and wanted desperately for him to love me back.  I didn't want my marriage to fail, or my kids to lose there father.  After months of counseling, going to church, and many many talks, he moved back in...   I thought for the first time that he really realized he loved me and learned from his mistakes.  This last year has been a rollercoaster of emotions, he said all the right things, he was always home with us, i always knew where he was, and he even called me everyday to say he loved me.  Even still somewhere in me still couldn't trust him completely.  I love him more than i knew i could love someone, and yet he's hurt me more than i thought was possible.   

In the last few weeks i've noticed small changes in him, from his moods, to working late, to being extremely nice, (guilty conscience)  Monday i finally confronted him, said he had to open up to me before we lose eachother again.  THe only words out of his mouth were "I'm just not happy." 

I've heard that so many times before.  Right then and there i knew he hadn't changed at all.   I know in my heart that he's seeing somoeone, but i've decided that i have to let him go.  I cant keep doing this over and over to me or our kids.  Its hurts so much, sometimes i want to just give up, but my kids need me, and i know i can get through this.  He moved out the next day, and seems to be on cloud nine.  I keep reminding myself that this isn't about me. 

The only difference in the woman on the show yesterday and me is he did let me go.  I should have done this last year, but i didn't love my self enough.  Its a slap in the face.  I just know now i have to be strong enough to say "hell no" when he gets lonely and realizes what he gave up. 

I can smile, and laugh now and know that this isn't going to destroy me.  I do cry, i cry for what i thought i had, but i'll grieve him like a death, and move on.   He wont be happy no matter where he is or who hes with, he had the whole world in the palm of his hands and didn't even know it. 

As long as i dont hold anger in my heart, or seek revenge, i know the Lord will take care of me, and my husband will get what he deserves...... 

If you are in doubt have him followed now, while the signs are early. I noticed all of these differences too and by the time I realized what was going on the secretary had been fired.  So follow him and you will know if he is just unhappy or if he is up to his same old tricks.  Sometimes a leopard just can not changes his spots.   

  

You will need this info. to go to an attorney.  If anything it certainly will not hurt! Good Luck!  

 
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November 11, 2005, 7:54 am PST

Get over it?????

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you don't know how great it is to hear from some one who truly knows what I have and am going through.  My husband also never wants to talk about what happened and gets mad when I "harp" on it. As far as he is concerned he made a mistake, it's over I need to get over it.  I just can't and the harder I try to let it go the more resentful I feel toward him.

I was the cheater in my marriage.  I had an affair a year ago that lasted about a month.    The questioning, watching, and checking up on me are simply a part of everyday life now.  If this is what it will take for my husband to feel comfortable and trust me again, then this is what I will do.  I have answered every question about the affair, listened and responded to his feelings, apologized in every way possible and been to couples counseling.   

  

No problem in my marriage in any way gave license for cheating.  There is no excuse for my destructive behavior and how this has demeaned my husband and forever altered our relationship.  This was entirely MY responsibility, not his.  I carry the guilt and shame with me every  day. I can see the pain I have caused my husband and it is my job to do what I can to ease that. 

  

"Harp" on it? "Get over it"? Neither of you will ever get over it.   

  

The greatest gift my husband has ever given me is to forgive me.  I don't intend to squander that.  I think your husband doesn't realize how lucky he is. 

 
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November 11, 2005, 8:00 am PST

Infidelity

Hey everybody, 

  

I have been married before with a husband that cheated. He was/is in the United States Navy. He cheated with a 19 year old high school girl, and he was 27 at the time. I was a faithful military wife and a little naive when I married him at 19. I had always believed that marriage was forever, so I stuck around a little too long in the relationship. It literally killed me when I found out. What floored me was at 19 I had already gotten my Associates Degree in Psychology, and this girl was still in high school. I felt that it was a complete down grade on his part. We were married for about two years when he started cheating. I felt I wasn't good enough for anybody if my husband had to go to someone who was not a the same mental level as I was. Part of me felt that he might have a fetish with 19 year olds, but that was a mute point. The relationship got abusive. Because I couldn't let go of my beliefs on marriage, it frustrated him to abuse; plus I think the insurance money he would have gotten because of my demise. He tried to kill me on a few occasions. He cut the breaks on my car, and when that didn't work he hit me over the head with a tire iron.  I had gotten JAG involved, but their investigation went nowhere when it was brought before his Commander. I tried to live with his infidelity, but I could not live with the abuse; so I left.  I haven't seen him in the past couple of years, and  am grateful that I left the situation.  What I learned:  once a cheater, always a cheater; once an abuser, always an abuser.  

 
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November 11, 2005, 8:09 am PST

You don't need proof

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I found out a few months ago that my husband of 20 years, has been talking to this girl on his cell phone since December 2003.  I set up survalliance, trying to catch their conversation.  He found  my listening device and was very mad.  Of course everything is my fault!  Since then I've been tracking his cell bill, and know they are still talking, just not as much.  To top it off, she is a waitress at a local resturant that he eats breakfast at 7 days a week.  It takes him anywhere from 2 to two and a half hours to eat breakfast everyday.  He also eats lunch at this same place about 3 to 4 times a week.  She only works the morning shift, and leaves work at about 1:00, six days a week.  He swears they are just good friends, and that he has stopped calling her.  I know better!  They seems to be no accountability for his actions!  I want the whole county to know!  I want out of this marriage, because I can not trust him, and he is still lying to me!!  My problem is, I'm disabled and financial can not afford to live on my own.  What should I do?  I'm also not stupid, I haven't met a man yet, that can talk on the phone to the same girl, almost everyday, for 2 years, and it be "only a friendship"!!!  I'm thinking of getting a lawyer and suing him for everything, but don't I need proof of adultery??  Open for suggestions in Virginia
You do not need proof to file for a divorce. In most all states divorce is "no-fault" siting only irreconcilable differences. My question to you is do you really have NO options or are the options you have just not very attractive to you? You can live on your own. Will there be financial hardships, sure, might you need to be humble and ask for help from family, friends? Probably. But decide whether you are going to accept and allow it or whether you will leave. To stay is to allow the behavior. I am so sorry that you are facing this trial but I would encourage you to begin to prepare slowly. Meet with an attorney. They will usually charge you little to nothing to meet with you initially. Begin to save money and resources on your own. Scour your community for resources for the disabled, living arrangements, etc. Take a deep breath and have a garage sale, clear out, clean up, and make a little money too. Simplify your life. Make new friends, join a book club, get involved in your church, begin to create a real support system for yourself. Get a fresh haircut, some new make up take care of yourself. You might be surprised a few months of this and leaving will seem like a real possibility and not the end of the world. Heck, he might even notice that you aren't the same little wife sitting home pining for him all the time! He might turn his interest around a bit, and open the door for healing and reconciliation.
 
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November 11, 2005, 8:17 am PST

11/10 Infidelity Aftermath

Camille, I'm glad that you will be receiving counseling for the issues that you are struggling with - self-worth, self-respect and self-love.  I believe you struggle with these things because your father did not instill these truths in you as a child - you are worthy to be loved, you are valuable, and you do deserve to be treated with respect.  You do not have to be a good wife before you are a good mother - you have to be loving to yourself first, then you can be an even better mom.  Dr. Phil was right when he said that Albert's actions had nothing to do with you.  He is being self-centered and immature. Wisdom and integrity are far more valuable than book knowledge and looks.  You are a loving mom, dedicated to your kids, and devoted to your family.  You are hard-working, generous, and a wonderful homemaker. If Albert doesn't appreciate these qualities then you shouldn't waste your time and energy, life is too short.  I find it hard to believe that Albert  has been "flirty" with "friends" for only 3 of the 11 years of marriage.  I know that you are a strong and assertive woman, do not let your insecurites overshadow what's most important in a relationship - character, commitment, and respect.  The boys are picking up on things that you may not realize. They are watching, listening and learning about how a marriage should be from the way you and Albert interact. They are the MOST IMPORTANT people in your life, direct your love and full attention towards them- that is where you will find your purpose!
 
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November 11, 2005, 9:21 am PST

Need Some Advice

Hello! 

  

Watching yesterday's show was difficult and painful. It sure hit home with me, the diffence being... my husband of 20 yrs (3 children) would not come clean about his affair. It all started last year...we were about to put our house up for sale, things were great, excited about moving ietc. Unfortunetly, I came down with a horrible 7 day case of food poisening. It was during that time I 1st noticed a change in my husbands behavior. He showed little concern for my health....I was literally bedridden & lost weight . He didn't even offer a glass of water. When I questioned why, his excuse was...he didn't want to catch what I had. I now know that was not the reason. 

  

We finally moved and settled into our new home. This particular day when my husband came home from work  I noticed a long, black curly hair on the floor directly where he laid his sweater. I didn't think too much of it at the time, but saved it, just in case.  I didn't say a word, only kept my eyes opened. Well, let's just say the red flags and my gut instinct were working overtime.  The next couple of months I continued to find these hairs, only when he came home from work or wherever. Also, peroidically I've seen what looked liked scratch marks on his back . He was overprotective of his cell phone. He was cranky, became suddenly interested in exercise, he was distant, yet seemed more experienced sexually. He was making nightly trips into our garage, secretly checking his cell for messages etc. You can imagine how draining and horrible this was. One evening while he was taking a shower I decided to check his voicemail. I heard a very sexy, flirtatious message from an an older female co-worker. She's an architect who worked in a seperate building but had ties to my husbands job. She didn't incriminate him, but , I knew instantly this was the woman he was messing around with. The message was not business like at all...it oozed sex. She was asking him to call her and that he knew the number. My heart was pounding out of my chest. I also found her number on his cell phone late at night. 

  

Anyway, I finally confronted him and he denied EVERyTHING!!!!! Although he did say  he didn't feel like I was very interested in him, which is not true at all.  He was just saying that, I believe,  to cover his own butt. We're still together, but I feel empty inside. I just wish he would tell me the truth...but he won't. Unless I walked in on him ...that's the only way I'll  get a confession . Sadly, I believe he's done this before (11 ys ago), while I was pregnant with our last child. I confronted him and same damn thing, he denied everything, even though he lied about driving this girl home late at night . I found a fine, dainty gold chain under my sofa cushions when I came home from the hospital...yup, he didn't have a clue where it came from. Right!!! All I know is that it sure as hell didn't belong to me or our children, 

  

I don't know what to do. I'm not financially capable of leaving right now.  He will not attend counceling. I don't believe he's involved with this woman anymore, but who knows. I'd appreciate some advice!!  He's trying to get close to me but I'm not there yet!!! 

  

Any advive?? 

  

Thanks. 

 
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November 11, 2005, 9:46 am PST

you've got support Camille....

When I watched this show I could not believe it! I am going through the exact same thing right now. The feelings of betrayal, lack of self worth etc.... can eat you up, but don't let it!! Albert has the problem not you, although it is easy to wonder what you could have done differently ,there isn't. This is about Albert's insecurities. This is what I have been doing; go to the gym (working out helps you cope with the stress of it all), find someone to talk to and start your emotional healing. Dare yourself each day to be the best woman and mother you know how. The best source of revenge is success! It is your obligation to regain your life; regain the woman you were before this happened! The more you exercise the better you will feel about yourself and the situation. You will build your confidence and truly I believe by taking care of yourself, you'll be a better mother and in turn will make good choices as to what the next step will be. My prayers of strength and best wishes are with you. You WILL be happy again, we both will.
 
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