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Created on : Friday, November 04, 2005, 02:51:01 pm
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(Original Air Date: 11/10/05) Lies, deceit, sex and scandal. Dr. Phil speaks with husbands and wives who've been caught cheating — and are paying the price. Albert and Camille have been married 11 years, but she hasn't been able to trust him since his affair three years ago. Albert admits to cheating, and says he would do it again if he knew he could get away with a "freebie!" Camille is convinced he's still involved with other women, but Albert says he's not cheating. Then, Danielle and Chris were high school sweethearts, but less than three months after getting married, Danielle found herself in the arms of another man. Numerous affairs later, Danielle is pregnant with another man's child. Can these marriages survive this much betrayal?  Join the discussion.

 

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November 10, 2005, 3:42 pm PST

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So sad!!! I will be praying for you!!!  =(  *hug*
I know exactly how you feel I had just given birth to my second child and on my way to a PTA meeting when my husband told me about his "mistake". The thing is though that I new the lady was making moves and he couldn't see it. We went to counseling and even spoke with the pastor and still it was like we were speaking another language. When he realized that he was going to lose us he was scared and realized the damage he had done. More importantly he wanted to fix the damage. Your husband has to be willing to fix what he has done and if he's not you are truly waisting your time and that affects your children. He has to be willing to do the work to earn your trust.  Find strength in your kids they will eventually see whats going on and it will play a huge role on their marriages.  5 years later and my husband still does things to reassure me of his love. We are friends as well as husband and wife.  
 
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November 10, 2005, 3:49 pm PST

Please don't "do it for the kids"

I grew up from my pre-teens knowing that my dad was cheating on my mom.  Now when people tell me they are "staying together for the kids sake" I think that is the worst possible excuse!  I can't tell you how much it messed me up, and how I thought I should be treated by men.  It took years of counseling to help me overcome my pattern of thought.  Now my husband knows that if he cheats on me - it doesn't matter that we have two kids - he is OUT THE DOOR.  Please ladies, have enough self respect not to put up with this behaviour.  Dr. Phil is so right when he says the best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour. 

Camille - you are beautiful, sweet and intelligent - you deserve more than Albert and SO DO YOUR SONS.  You may think he is 'all that', but trust me, one day you will be with someone and shake your head in disbelief that you ever stayed with your ex!  And even if you don't care to be with someone in the future, it is better to be alone than to be treated with such disrespect.  I wish you all the best because you deserve it. 

 
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November 10, 2005, 3:50 pm PST

Reality Bites

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     To all you people who are having problems in your marriage,  the only way to make it work is to do what it takes TO BECOME BEST FRIENDS!   Would you desrespect your best friend or talk to them like they are stupid or embarass them etc...   NO!    

    So turn the TV off have a drink together go for a walk together talk about everything that comes to mind share secrets date each other compliment each other be thankful for what the other is doing for you,  hold each other be funny be helpful.  I'm sure you can come up with more yourselves.   

    Just dont be  too surprised if it doesnt all lead to awesome feelings and awesome sex!   What more would you want in life than to feel happy?  So work at it!  Most of all let your kids see you laugh and hug!    

Your email sounds very uplifting but in relaity it just doesn't always work that way. My first husband became mentally ill after many years of marriage. He became a pathological liar, sex addict and anti-social personality disorder. We went for a lot of counseling and attempted changes but unless both people want the same thing, it won't work. No matter how good of friends you are or think you are. In reality, some hurts can't be transcended. I prayed for God to bring me peace and he did. Just not in the way I expected it. I wound up kicking the cheating, sicko, ex to the curb, ran into my first love of my life, married him and he died shortly after we married. He was the best thing that ever happened to me, even if it was short lived. He did more for me and my self esteem in a few short years than the ex did in 26 years. Sometimes the best answer is to GET OUT and cut your losses. It is important to look out for yourself once it becomes apparent that your partner is not concerned with your feelings or your self respect. Children also need to see that the parent raising them has a healthy self image.
 
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November 10, 2005, 3:52 pm PST

Chris needs a DNA test AND a STD test!

 His wife has had unprotected sex with at least 13 different men so who knows what she's picked up. She's a liar and a manipulator so even if she took a STD test she'd probably lie about the results.

Since she's currently pregnant with another man's child and can't pretend it's Chris' I'm willing to bet she's lying about that paternity of the other children she has with Chris. Chris needs a paternity test ASAP to find out if those kids are actually his or not.

Poor Chris, I feel sorry for him because if he divorces her - and he should since he deserves better - he'll have to pay her child support for all of the kids, even if he's not the biological children, if he lives in a state where the married husband is listed as the father on the birth certificate.

DIVORCE her, Chris! DIVORCE her before she brings home a deadly disease that will kill her and kill you. Your kids - if they're yours - deserve better then the trash she shovels you.
 
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November 10, 2005, 3:53 pm PST

dealt with this before

I have dealt with this before, my husband of 17 months cheated on me the entire time that we dated for the first time. The relationship lasted for 3 months and he cheated with at least 5 girls. Yes, after that we got back together and then became married, the problem is that even to this day, I feel like he is not cheating simply because it is not allowed. He has, and has always had a SERIOUS problem with women. Just the other day he took me shopping in Fort Worth for the first time (I just moved here with him from Arkansas), I got so upset that I walked off away from him. We had been shopping for hours, and its just like EVERY woman that walks by he is looking at, with intent. He watches how he looks to them, how he's acting and everything. Maybe part of the reason that I feel this way is because I am very overweight and he has confessed to me that he is not physically attracted to me, and that we can't do some of the things sexually that he enjoys doing. How the hell do I respond to that? Yeah, with me at 235 and him at 160, he can't pick me up and sling me over his shoulder to take me to bed. BIG FRIGGIN deal!  Anyway, like I was trying to say, he has a problem with women. I don't fulfill his visual appetite. It seriously depresses me. I try to tell him, "stop looking at other women because your wife is not 110 pounds. If you truely love me, and I make you happy, all that is going to do is show you what you could have. Put more into me and us."  I want to lose it, for him and for my kids and for me. But I can't when he makes me feel so unattractive. I have never dated a guy that felt that way about me. It makes me question our entire relationship. Its like, how did you fall in love with someone that your not attracted to?? How is that possible? What I don't know is how to deal with this. I know that I am supposed to just suck it up, feel better about me, focus on me and all that, but it makes me sad for him, how could I be so selfish to stay fat and unattractive?? I want to fulfill him, but with the problems that he has with women, I don't think that it would really matter. Even if I was 110, he would look for something better and thinner. Someone, can you offer advice? Maybe relate?? 

 
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November 10, 2005, 4:03 pm PST

The kids know

I just registered today in hopes that Camille?  would see this.  Something she said stirred me deeply.  I left an abusive and alduterous husband two years ago.  I left with three young children.  I was also worried about  " how leaving my husband would affect my kids"  When I finally left i was amazed at my kids.  Sure they had moments of sadness but, when my oldest child(just 7)  said, "Mom I am glad you left.  I was tired of Dad yelling at you and breaking dishes."  We have been on our own for two years.  People who knew me my whole married life have commented on how much happier and well behaved my children are now.  I think they are this way because they got their Mother back.  They  have a stable functional home with a stable happy mother.  I will be thinking of you and praying for you no matter what you decide.  And remember no one can tell you to leave.  The best friends I have are the ones who supported me unconditionally.
 

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November 10, 2005, 4:05 pm PST

Living a lie

You know for the past 2 years since my wife cheated on me I have just wanted to die.  I never thought that she would do this to uor family.  We were very young when we got married but we were very much in love.  after 5 years she went outside our marriage.  I was devestated and have been extremely depressed.  about 6 months ago she done it again and I am even more depressed.  Today she tells me she wants a divorce.  I don't know how to handle it because I have devoted everything to her.  I am here because I need help.  I have been thinking about suicide all day and just can't steer myself away from it.  This is the hardest thing that a person could go through.
 

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November 10, 2005, 4:13 pm PST

11/10 Infidelity Aftermath

 Why does Dr Phil (and everyone else for that matter) have such a narrow view of what a relationship should be?  Dr Phil is always counseling couples on their relationships, yet he never considers the concept their relationship may not fit within the confines of monogamy?  Perhaps Dr Phil should consider that some individuals don't fit within the parameters of society's restrictive definitions, such as monogamy.  I’ve never seen him address the actual underlying issues of a man’s or woman’s cheating, instead he just tells them flat out that they are immature or wrong to desire more than monogamy.  Open your mind Dr Phil.  You say things like “you’re not being honest” to people but you’re not recognizing that honesty is not saying, “I will make myself and others suffer rather than asking them to consider my needs”.  If a person is cheating on someone else, maybe honesty in society is what they need.  Maybe they need to be honest with themselves, society and all their partners and discuss what would make them feel right.  Dr Phil is right that once a member of this relationship is not comfortable, they should pull themselves out and move on, but discussing it rather than suppressing it is a better idea.  Just a thought Dr Phil.
 
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November 10, 2005, 4:13 pm PST

You make yourself happy.

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I have dealt with this before, my husband of 17 months cheated on me the entire time that we dated for the first time. The relationship lasted for 3 months and he cheated with at least 5 girls. Yes, after that we got back together and then became married, the problem is that even to this day, I feel like he is not cheating simply because it is not allowed. He has, and has always had a SERIOUS problem with women. Just the other day he took me shopping in Fort Worth for the first time (I just moved here with him from Arkansas), I got so upset that I walked off away from him. We had been shopping for hours, and its just like EVERY woman that walks by he is looking at, with intent. He watches how he looks to them, how he's acting and everything. Maybe part of the reason that I feel this way is because I am very overweight and he has confessed to me that he is not physically attracted to me, and that we can't do some of the things sexually that he enjoys doing. How the hell do I respond to that? Yeah, with me at 235 and him at 160, he can't pick me up and sling me over his shoulder to take me to bed. BIG FRIGGIN deal!  Anyway, like I was trying to say, he has a problem with women. I don't fulfill his visual appetite. It seriously depresses me. I try to tell him, "stop looking at other women because your wife is not 110 pounds. If you truely love me, and I make you happy, all that is going to do is show you what you could have. Put more into me and us."  I want to lose it, for him and for my kids and for me. But I can't when he makes me feel so unattractive. I have never dated a guy that felt that way about me. It makes me question our entire relationship. Its like, how did you fall in love with someone that your not attracted to?? How is that possible? What I don't know is how to deal with this. I know that I am supposed to just suck it up, feel better about me, focus on me and all that, but it makes me sad for him, how could I be so selfish to stay fat and unattractive?? I want to fulfill him, but with the problems that he has with women, I don't think that it would really matter. Even if I was 110, he would look for something better and thinner. Someone, can you offer advice? Maybe relate?? 

  

    I have a friend who was 235 just like you and her husband always commented on other women in front of her and whoever was around.  She never said a word.   One day she commited herself to weight watchers and within 6 months there was a significant difference in her appearance and 6 months after that she was down to 120 and looked like a doll just like he wanted.  So yes you can do it if you want it bad enough because she's the proof that it works.  It will make you so much more confident.   You wont change who he is but let me tell you it will change your whole outlook on everything.    So never mind what he sees and what he thinks just do it for you.   

 

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November 10, 2005, 4:28 pm PST

I can relate to this situation and then some

I (and my 3 boys) am currently in a live -in relationship with a guy I met online in June 04.  After 2wks of seeing each other HE wanted to only see each other, I felt the same way so we were BOTH supposed to delete our online profiles and see/sleep etc.. only with each other.  Well, almost a year and a half later I have found out that he was ONLY with me and 6 others and was still online on personal sites of every kind, especially the Bondage sites.  I have since found out that he had ONLY unprotected sex and frequently engaged in violent discusting sexual acts.  Back in May I found out about ONE woman and confronted him, we decided to work on our relationship, I went to counceling and he was supposed to go on his own as well.  Ive since used all 12 allowed visits by my insurance.  He went to 2 visits and would not go back becuase his councelor was too old...(he says) He wanted someone more "hip and younger"  Well in the last month I found out that there have been atleast 6 women as recent as August 2005.  Ive been lied to continually.  I have since found out most or all of the gifts hes given were "guilt gifts." (I got them after he had cheated)   I just last month refused a bouquet of Roses and had them donated to a local hospital.  I then packed his essential items while he was out of town and loaded them into his truck and parked it at his friends house while he was out of town.  Needless to say, hes back like a boomerang and is now seeking Sexual Addiction counceling.  I am sick to my stomace just looking at him at this point.  Im not sure I can stand by him as I promised I would.  I made that promise before I knew that he would spit, slap, and other things I cant type, during his sex acts with one woman...maybe others I only know about one woman for sure.  I would get copies of his cell phone bills, hack into his computer etc... to obtain information that eventually led to his being "busted".  I hope this helps someone to know that they are not the only one out there this type of behavior is being done to.  And also know that it doesnt matter if your fat, skinny, short or tall.  Im a 41 yr old good looking woman.  Im 5' 10" 130lbs and a "good person".  My boyfriend cheated with fat/chubby women and for the most part alot less attractive than me.  I know its not about me....Its all about him, his problem, his sickness etc.... There is alot more to this story, I hope this small part helps.
 
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