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Topic : 03/13 Infidelity Aftermath

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Created on : Friday, November 04, 2005, 02:51:01 pm
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(Original Air Date: 11/10/05) Lies, deceit, sex and scandal. Dr. Phil speaks with husbands and wives who've been caught cheating — and are paying the price. Albert and Camille have been married 11 years, but she hasn't been able to trust him since his affair three years ago. Albert admits to cheating, and says he would do it again if he knew he could get away with a "freebie!" Camille is convinced he's still involved with other women, but Albert says he's not cheating. Then, Danielle and Chris were high school sweethearts, but less than three months after getting married, Danielle found herself in the arms of another man. Numerous affairs later, Danielle is pregnant with another man's child. Can these marriages survive this much betrayal?  Join the discussion.

 

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November 10, 2005, 7:20 pm PST

You know it!

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call the number or hire a P.I

Tell him that he hasn't fooled anyone. You aren't stupid and he is obviously treating you like you are a moron. 

Tell him how it makes you feel when you beleive he is cheating on you. Tell him as a wife, you have every single right to ask what he does when you're not around.Tell him if he has no way to prove that he isn't cheating, then the calls and the late night visits have to stop RIGHT NOW! 

If these things stop, maybe you will think about whether or not your marriage is strong enough to stay. If they don't stop, he obviously cannot do the simplest things just to give you peace of mind, and make sure that he will do anything to make you stay. 

That's when you know he can get lost! You're a strong black woman - you need a strong man. Not someone who runs around after a lunch-lady! 

 
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November 10, 2005, 7:23 pm PST

I do have a backbone

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hi, ive never been married before, never been cheated on so i cant really relate to what a lot of you are saying but i am just really curios as to what it is about your husbands/wives that makes you stay with them after they have totaly ignored your feelings, the promises they made to you, betrayed you, made you feel like you are crazy for not trusting them, been intimate with another person with NO CONCERN FOR YOUR FEELINGS. I imagine a lot of planning and calculating goes into cheating on someone because there  excusesto make, motels to book, etc, etc. I am just wondering after all this is uncovered what is it that you see in your partner after the lengths that they went to without any concern for the pain that they caused you , what is it that makes them worth a second chance. IF YOU SAY THE CHILDREN I WILL SCREAM i am from a broken home and my mother was much happier after leaving my father and i can tell you seeing the strength in my mother has made me see that i deserve to be treated like a queen but if she had stayed with him i would not view myself that way. PLEASE PEOPLE GET BACKBONES AND LOVE YOURSELVES  
I do love myself, and I do have a backbone. I hope you never need a second chance...I hope you are never in this situation and have to eat your words, because you really do not know what you would do until you are there. It is easy to judge if you are not there.
 
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November 10, 2005, 7:24 pm PST

Thank you

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Thank you for validating my feelings. Sometimes it is hard to get these rollercoaster emotions validated, and I believe only a person who has been there can really give these emotions true validation. It feels so good to be able to talk about this to someone who truly understands.

Thank you.  I think this is the stage I finally am at.  I'm trying to heal myself and figure out who I am again.  I'm not just somebody's wife or somebody's mother, but I am an individual.  We can all talk about leaving or we can talk about finding ourselves and either working out our problems or getting out.  Divorce isn't always the solution.  Lots of marriages can be saved.  Can mine?  I don't know.  I'm still working on that.   

 

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November 10, 2005, 7:28 pm PST

11/10 Infidelity Aftermath

 Danielle could be my mom!!

I had to calm down a bit before I could post  so that I wouldn't say something really nasty, so, here goes.....

WHAT THE H*** ARE YOU THINKING?!!  How bloody selfish can you be?  You're being vicious, not only to your husband (who appears to have the patience of a saint), but also to your children, including the one you are carrying.  I grew up with rumours and innuendoes that my mother's husband was not my father, and it nearly destroyed me.  How do you think your baby will feel growing up KNOWING his/her father is not your husband?  GROW UP and get a divorce if things with Chris are really that bad.  At least your kids will have a chance at not being messed up.
 
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November 10, 2005, 7:32 pm PST

Validation is key to recovery

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Thank you.  I think this is the stage I finally am at.  I'm trying to heal myself and figure out who I am again.  I'm not just somebody's wife or somebody's mother, but I am an individual.  We can all talk about leaving or we can talk about finding ourselves and either working out our problems or getting out.  Divorce isn't always the solution.  Lots of marriages can be saved.  Can mine?  I don't know.  I'm still working on that.   

I believe that to have our feelings validated...anger, betrayal, sadness...depression, is the key to the road of recovery from this deep pain. My family and friends have been extremely supportive with the decisons I have made in handling this, but they still cannot understand truly how I feel, so I make it nearly impossible for them to feel like they are validating my feelings. While I appreciate their support and am blessed to have them in my life, today is helping me more than anything has in the last 15 and 1/2 months. Talking to those in my shoes has helped me tremendously, and I believe I will sleep better tonight than I have in a long time. Thank you!
 
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November 10, 2005, 7:43 pm PST

whats love got to do with it?

Anyone who would cheat on the person whom they claim they love is in complete denial. Cheating is never an accident and as far as I'm concerned can and should not be forgiven. All the apologies in the world couldn't erase the fact of knowing that the one you love completely betrayed you and sacrificed your love for quick pleasure. Before people settle in to long term relationships they should explore whats out there instead of withholding urges and/or fantasies that simply come out later in mid-married life leaving only the spouse to suffer. Cheating is simply unforgivable.
 
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November 10, 2005, 7:47 pm PST

talking to other woman

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Talking with the other woman did no good for me...it only allowed me to hold on to the anger longer and harsher. I was obsessed with talking to her and rubbing it in to her that we were still together, and in that sense, she still won.  It hurt me more to talk to her than it did good, but that is something only you can decide. I do know that if she was dishonest and uncaring enough to have an affair with your husband, she will serve you up no truth. You are in my prayers.
 when  I found out my husband was spending hrs & hrs on the phone with a coworker & I couldnt get straight answers from him I called her..she got real smart & hateful, said "I had no right to call her-that I "crossed the line calling her" then she tried to have me arrested for harrassing her!!! the bitch had talked to my husband for hrs & hrs but that was ok...it's so heartbreaking what we go through...the calls have supposedly stopped but can we ever stop wondering??????????
 
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November 10, 2005, 7:56 pm PST

There is a difference between adultery and polygamy.

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 Why does Dr Phil (and everyone else for that matter) have such a narrow view of what a relationship should be?  Dr Phil is always counseling couples on their relationships, yet he never considers the concept their relationship may not fit within the confines of monogamy?  Perhaps Dr Phil should consider that some individuals don't fit within the parameters of society's restrictive definitions, such as monogamy.  I’ve never seen him address the actual underlying issues of a man’s or woman’s cheating, instead he just tells them flat out that they are immature or wrong to desire more than monogamy.  Open your mind Dr Phil.  You say things like “you’re not being honest” to people but you’re not recognizing that honesty is not saying, “I will make myself and others suffer rather than asking them to consider my needs”.  If a person is cheating on someone else, maybe honesty in society is what they need.  Maybe they need to be honest with themselves, society and all their partners and discuss what would make them feel right.  Dr Phil is right that once a member of this relationship is not comfortable, they should pull themselves out and move on, but discussing it rather than suppressing it is a better idea.  Just a thought Dr Phil.
 You're right about that there are relationships that do not fit within the confines of a monogamy however, lying and sneaking behind your partner's back is a far cry from a consensual agreement of either an open relationship or a polygamious one. If one partner does not agree to the other sleeping around then it's a problem. When one partner has to sneak around, lie or be open about the affair but don't give a damn then it's a problem.

Those in open relationships - see whom they want, have sex with whom they want or even have three (or more) way sex is one where all the people involved agree to the type of relationship it is. Those in polygamous relationships also have to agree to it or it won't work.

These people who come onto the show to discuss their cheating spouse in no way have agreed to let their partner do what they do. That's why Dr. Phil does not discuss with the partners who are victims that they should be open to either an open relationship or a polygamous one. If one partner wants such relationships and the other doesn't then it's time to go their seperate ways rather then make each other miserable.
 
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November 10, 2005, 7:57 pm PST

Just another cheated on Wife

Well, I too have recently found out my husband of nearly 20 years was cheating on me.  I thinkg I must have deliberately blinded myself to his infidelity.  Our marriage has always been a bit fiery.  We haven't had the best of intimate lives in over 6 years.  We have 2 children (boy 19, girl 12), and an daughter-in-law to be (who also happend to be carrying my 1st grandchild).  I found out on September 23rd the truth of his infidelity, through his email account.  I had been very curious for about a week before.  His emails were very devastating.  He had even written a "contract" for them to meet every other Monday morning where they would spend time together enjoying mutual friendship, passion, pleasure and more.  His last email to her said "lets get married".  Yes, he wasn't actually proposing, but the message was clear.  It turns out that the "affair" has been going on for about a year, with a woman that he has known for about 2.  He sold her a car for her daughter, and from then on it began.  At first he said it was friendship, then he started having oral sex with her.  He swears it never went farther, even his emails state that.  Then he says it went back to being just friends and him helping her with her studies.  By the way, she is married with 2 teenagers as well, her husband is military.   I so wanted to kick him out on the day I confronted him.  He cried and said he wanted to save our marriage.  He had been with her that very evening, supposedly breaking it off with her.  He says it is over, he promised to never contact her again.  But just today I found her number on his cell phone.  I also found a voicemail from her stating that she had missed his call and asking him to call her back, then closed the message by saying "I Love You".  I am sure many of you on this board can imagine my thoughts and feelings at discovering this.  The schmuck hd let our son's fiance borrow his cellphone for job hunting purposes, and didn't even thing to clear out his evidence.  Man, I really don't know what to do.  We have been going to counselling, with a pastor that I trust implicitly, for over a month now.  As a matter of fact, we were supposed to go to a session tonight.  Unfortunately our pastor couldn't make it, so we went to the mall with the kids instead.  The other day he asked me how committed I was to making this work (I had been having a real bad week where everything he did was making me mad), I told him if I wasn't he wouldn't still be in the house.  Our 20th anniversary was last Wednesday.  I didn't acknowledge it at all, he was very upset about that.  I just didn't know how to, or whether I even wanted to, acknowledge it.  I realized 2 days ago that was the reason for my bad week.  But, now I find myself ready to ask him the same question, seeing as how he is still in contact with this woman.   

Thanks for letting me vent.  Any advise is welcome 

 
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November 10, 2005, 7:57 pm PST

NOPE

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 when  I found out my husband was spending hrs & hrs on the phone with a coworker & I couldnt get straight answers from him I called her..she got real smart & hateful, said "I had no right to call her-that I "crossed the line calling her" then she tried to have me arrested for harrassing her!!! the bitch had talked to my husband for hrs & hrs but that was ok...it's so heartbreaking what we go through...the calls have supposedly stopped but can we ever stop wondering??????????
No, I do not think we ever stop wondering. It will always be with us.
 
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