Topic : 03/13 Infidelity Aftermath

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(Original Air Date: 11/10/05) Lies, deceit, sex and scandal. Dr. Phil speaks with husbands and wives who've been caught cheating — and are paying the price. Albert and Camille have been married 11 years, but she hasn't been able to trust him since his affair three years ago. Albert admits to cheating, and says he would do it again if he knew he could get away with a "freebie!" Camille is convinced he's still involved with other women, but Albert says he's not cheating. Then, Danielle and Chris were high school sweethearts, but less than three months after getting married, Danielle found herself in the arms of another man. Numerous affairs later, Danielle is pregnant with another man's child. Can these marriages survive this much betrayal?  Join the discussion.

 

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November 13, 2005, 7:09 pm PST

Continued Contact

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Boy does it sound like we're married to the same kind of person (for the most part).  I've had several years to deal with this, but it still keeps coming up and slapping me in the face.  Each time I think she's gone away and I can move on, I find that she's still in the picture.  I think I read in a previous quote from you that your husband doesn't like for you to "harp" on it.  Well, ditto - in those exact words.  He doesn't want to talk about it, nor does he want to hear about it.  He says whenever I bring it up, it "pushes him away from me".  I tell him he's already pushed me.  I just don't understand why he insists on continuing to talk to her.  Even if nothing is going on, he should have NOTHING to do with her.  His traveling lately has been the best for me right now.  It gives me that space away from him to figure myself out.   He loves our children, but he doesn't help much with any of the day to day stuff.  EVERYTHING is my responsibility.  He brings home the money - everything else is my job.  That's why I think I'm beginning to lose it.  If that's the way this marriage is going to continue, then I'll have to do it from my own home without him.  Anyway, thanks for listening.  If you want to talk more off the board, let me know and I'll make my email available for you to get.  Take care.  We will get through this.  Women are much stronger and can make things work much better than most men.   (Except Dr. Phil, of course!  :-)  )
Hello and let me say, I am going through the exact same thing as well.  I just found out about my husband's affair September 23rd.  It hasn't been 2 months and he already expects me to not discuss the "issue" any more.  However, just like yours, mine has still been in contact with his "woman".  It doesn't matter to me that he says it was for business purposes only.  My husband sells cars for a living.  He sold a car to this woman for one of her teenagers.  From then on he started talking to her via his cell, then via Yahoo Messenger.  Then they started meeting personally.  They would have dinner together in his car, or other places.  They also had oral relations in their vehicles.  This lasted for about a year and a half.  Supposedly he had ended the relationship the day I found out.  But, just 4 days ago she called him and he didn't tell me about it.  I found out quite by accident, because he was stupid enough to let my daughter-in-law to be borrow his personal cell phone.  There was a voice mail from her in which she told him she was sorry she missed his call and for him to call her back, and closed the message with "Love You".  Devastation is close to what I felt upon listening to that message.  Of course I confonted him about it that very evening and we argued, but we stuck it out until we could talk calmly and discuss it rationally.  I want to believe that he is not still contacting her and that this was just some fluke.  What hurts even more is knowing the promise he made me not to contact her again, he still called her back.   I told him that I was going to contact her and tell her that if she called him again I would contact her husband and tell him about the whole affair.  He later begged me not to, because she has threatened him before that if he ever told her husband, she would have no problem having her family members take care of him.  Could just be bunch of bunk, to protect his little lover (not so litte-matter of fact more overweight than I am), but I can't take that risk with my kids lives.  I did take his cell phone and if that TWIT calls that cell again, I will call her.  I know where she works, I just don't know her last name or where she lives.  I do know that he has her husband's cell phone number somewhere.  As vindictive as he says that she is, I believe I can match her.  I just don't want my children to pay for my vindictiveness.  How else can I let her know that she needs to stay away from my husband?  By the way, the same night I heard that voice mail on his cell is the same night this show was aired on my cable channel.  That was completely ironic, wasn't it?
 
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November 13, 2005, 7:28 pm PST

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 I've been reading the postings and it seems there are so many common threads here. I myself am in the same situation as most of you. I've been cheated on (after 20 years and two kids) and i need to move on one way or another. It's fresh so the emotions change over the course of each day.

First off, let me remind you that conflict in yourself is natural. Do I take him/her back? If I do can I trust him/her again? I think the best way to do this is not to commit to anything in the beginning. You need time to reflect and see what's best. I have told my husband that although we are still married on paper, I am no longer married to him in spirit. It is now a daily contract. If I feel that I can commit to the marriage then I tell him, today we are married. If not, or I know I'm feeling hurt or resentful, then today we are divorced. I am free to do what I want with my life and exercise my options. If I find over a period of time that I have more divorced days than married, or vice versa  I will know what is right for me.

Secondly, the cheaters don't want to come back to a life of being reminded that they are wrong every time there is an arguement thereafter. Especially those who do try to make amends are are willing to change for you. There is no use is squeezing their bxlls and ruining their existence or our own. I don't want to live that kind of life, THAT BEING SAID I will not live a life of being blamed. If i were sexier or more fun loving or didn't have bladder problems, then wouldn't have cheated on me. Those are all part of the lies that the cheaters impart on you because it helps them justify their behavior. Men justify by blaming it on male hormones or you. Usually, both. The fact that Halle Berry's husband cheated on her shows that beauty has nothing to do with a cheating mate. This is THEIR PROBLEM.  They knowi t's wrong and destructive.

Understand that a man (or woman) who married you loves you for your qualities and your abilities to love and be understanding. Harmful people seek out innocents by nature. So be true to yourself, if you still want to give it a shot, do it, but protect yourself!

If you want to try to work it out:
  • Seek counseling for both of you. Together and separately. If you can't afford it find ways to cut back, this is very important to make the significant changes you need to move forward.
  • Let go of constant blaming/distrust issues. If you can't, then let him/her go. You deserve a life as well. One without all this constant heartache.
  • Don't let him/her back in until you see the changes and the commitment are there and you are satisfied with them.
  • Make yourself a plan -write it down. What I am willing to accept from this person and what I am not willing to accept from this person and stick to it.  For instance, I am not willing to accept any more cheating. One more and I'm gone... or I will do this as long as I feel that I can trust you. When I start feeling I don't trust you anymore, I'm gone. This is last chance. Let him/her know it.
  • Be nice to yourself. If this happened to your daughter or sister how would you react? Would you tell them to get out? Stay? Make yourself a role model to the other women who love you.
  • Be strong life can be great if you give help youself first.

You have written exactly what my Pastor, and even my Family Doctor has told/suggested to me.  I find that you saying this reinforces it.  My husband and I are seeking counseling from  a Pastor friend of the family.  We have a very long way to go, mostly because I think my husband is still in denial about the true extent and nature of his affair.  He is always making statements to try to minimize his sexual relationship with her.  What he still doesn't seem to get it that is isn't the sex that is tearing me up so much.  It is the intimate relationship with her.  The feelings of Love that he professed for her, the statements that he would rather be with her than with me.  That he would spend time and money with and on her that he should have spent with and on me and the kids.  I have had him get tested for diseases and those have come back clean.  But, that doesn't mean I am ready to trust him with my heart or body just yet.  I know that I will eventually have to forgive him, but I have not reached that in my recovery.  Will I ever be able to, that is the true question?  There are days when I can see that future, but there are just as many days when I can't.  Letting this wall down again will truly be the most risky move.  But I at least have some concrete ideas of how to go about recovering and rebuilding.  Thanks! 
 
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November 13, 2005, 9:27 pm PST

Intuition and Aftermath

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From one strong woman to another....you know in your soul, the truth. Usually, where there is smoke, there is fire.  My advise to you would be to stop asking him about it and let him think he has you fooled. If he is cheating and thinks he has you fooled, he will slip up and you will catch him. In the meantime, start putting aside money so if it turns out he is cheating and you have to leave, you will be financially ok.   If you find out he definately is not cheating you have money put aside for a little get away. 

Sounds like you are probably right about your husband. It sounds as if your decision has already been made and you are just waiting for the proof  to come in. But think about it, do you really want to invest the time, energy and (not to mention) the heartache that comes with that proof? Don't spend your time on being the detective here. It can become your life's mission and know that it is a painful game with no winners.

You sound to me like a strong and determined woman. For example you could just sit him down and say, "You know I don't tolerate infidelity, and I don't feel secure in this marriage anymore. I want out." Save yourself the running around with detectives, following him in rental cars and all those indignities.

It doesn't have to be about getting the proof. The fact that you don't feel that you are in a trusting relationship is enough to take action.

Give yourself the dignity you deserve.


 
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November 13, 2005, 11:25 pm PST

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Our stories are incredibly similiar.  My husband is also in sales and like you said sometimes his traveling alot is helpful.  I also think of myself as a single mom especially when I am feeling the most vulnerable and wonder if he has really ended the affair.  It does help me to distance myself so I can assure myself that if I do find out he is up to his old habits, I can stand on my own, but it is a double edged sword because I am distancing myself from him so much that it is making it difficult to work through my anger.  It would help alot if he didn't take the attitude that I just need to get over it.  Don't you just feel like you are stuck on the most nauseating fair ride of your life and you just want to get off?  Like you said, there is a big part of me that loveshim.  He is the only man I have ever been with.  But there is a big part of me that is so hurt and I am VERY unforgiving.  The biggest issue is that he is a good father and I know no matter what goes onbetween he and I, he will always be my kids father and their happiness comes first.
I agree with you completely, Yes, I do feel like i'm on a bad ride and just want to get off. Wish it could work that way, but unfortunately, it doesn't.

Something I wanted to share with you that helps keep me sane is that I very quickly dropped all the questions and discussions of the details of the "cheating." I don't want to harp on it, not because it's not important but because we've already established that he is a liar and a cheat. I know that. He knows that. So what do I do now?

I think, "do I really want to wrap my life around this incident?" I don't want to fuse my life to his problems. I don't want to know the sordid details, I don't need closure, because there is no closure. This will always be with me. Do I want to spend the rest of my life talking or thinking about this? NO, THANK YOU. I deserve much better than that and I demand that I give that to myself.

Basically, I have shifted the focus to where it belongs. Away from HIM and to ME. Think to yourself, "What do I want? Enough of me devoting my energies and thoughts on HIM. Now I want to find and save ME."
 
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November 14, 2005, 10:04 am PST

The Epidemic

I've been reading these message boards and god its so sad!! I only thank god i never had children with my finance. I just wish for one second the cheaters and their partners could have a look inside the minds and souls of those lives they shattered.  It your self worth your self esteem that is crushed but then again thats to say any of them have a conscience!!  

  

my story---  

Well after a long 6 yrs relationship (which I'm so embarrassed to admit the signs were all there) 4 months ago i got a phone call from a 20 year old telling me my finance was her boyfriend!! Sadly i guess i knew r relationship was doomed from the beginning but i guess i was to weak to walk away.  Within the first year his x was calling and clamming that they were still together, the first lie 1 "She cant get over the fact that its done", however i found cards, phones bill (which conversations went both ways), gifts.  Then she went away for awhile about 8 months. Now into or 2 and 3 year she moves to Vegas and its starts all over again cards, calling text message, gifts.  My heart was broken and my self esteem just crushed but i stayed, god i don't know why.  Then her mom passed and little did i know that on a day everyone would remember the Black out of the east coast, he left me at his up north cabin for 3 days while he went to her moms funereal. No he didn't tell me, i later found out when i found her thank cards.  Shortly after that a tragedy happened to him and i couldn't leave him (or wasn't stronger enough once again).  That x-mas she sent gifts once again.  Did i mention we started living together into our 1st year.  So ya merry Christmas to me.  The sickest part is his own mother hid the gifts for him after clamming they were sending them back to her.  Anyhow. Just the year i moved out about 7 months ago finally having enough and at the very least gonna try and put me back together.  Well on 4th of July while visiting my mother in the hospital i get a phone call from a 20 year old girl saying "I've been with him".  My heart just sank, even with the problems before the other girl never would say they were intimate and in the last 4 yrs just wanted to be his friend, but now heres the real deal.  The hole time he was with her he begged me "Baby please come home".  We went engagement ring shopping 3 weeks before i moved out which would've been during the 1st month of there "Whatever"!  He took to what was our home, slept with her in my bed that i left behind because i had no place for it!  I spent that entire day talking to this girl whom i felt sorry for she was only 20 and i just kept telling her how sorry i was she was brought into an already messed up situation.  I never yelled at her 4 what!   The girl and her sister were telling me they'd pray for me.  Here i am thinking I've spent 6 years with him she(self-admitting) was with him for 2months, and I'm consoling her.  Then come to find out that she didn't call to tell me to be a good person she called cuz he ended it with her a month before and she was stalking him, she showed up at his house July 3 completely drunk barley able to stand up crying and saying she took a bottle of volume.  which stupidly mad me feel worse for her.  Well after that day i never contacted her again, my boyfriend calls me up saying that that day she cut herself had her sister punch her a few times then call the police saying he did it.  Her brother was a cop and was going to somehow get him in trouble.  Which to my own stupidity pulled at my heart strings and i talked to him. Then the next day his father had a stroke, and i had 2 deaths in my family one being a very close relative.  Which in my own state of depression made me allow him to still be apart of my life.  I know I'm stupid!  So i decided that after 6 years i would try to get passed his infidelity.  Why promises from him to go work on himself with a professional.  About 3 weeks later after her calling  20 times a day he changed his phone number.  Within 3 days the real side of her was shown to me, she started calling my phone leaving graphic disgusting messages, leaving message to him crying saying i love you, and having her girlfriends do the same.  So i just changed my number i figured she was freaking out cuz she couldn't get a hold of him so mess with me and my head.  Her own sister leaves a message to me saying sorry and that shortly before she met him she was involved with a married man that she drove his wife so crazy she tried to run her off the road.  So i thought its over!!!! GUESS again she somehow begged one of his friends for his new number and has been calling sending text messages and so on.  No he didn't tell me. But i think i had told him when it first happened was if you have any contact ANY what so ever I'm done.  Little did i know its been going on for a couple months now, his excuse is "I didn't want to tell you cuz i was afraid you wouldn't believe that she got my number", "I just messed back with her and ripped on her telling her was a psycho loser she was".  All i know is i can't take it any more!! I haven't spoke to him in days and I'm trying to be stronger and just move on.  I feel lost and alone and devastated.  The worst part i blame myself!!!!!!
 
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November 14, 2005, 10:16 am PST

11/10 Infidelity Aftermath

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I am hoping that I can get over my botfriend of 7 years has done to me. I have breast cancer and was undergoing chemo when I found out that he was having unprotected sex with a co-worker. He cheated on me when we first got together and gave a STD and I forgave him for that. I have raised his son for 6 and 1/2 of his 8 years of life and love this little boy the same as I love my 3 daughters. The hardest part is that he gave me another STD. Both of the STD that he gave me I will have for life now. I made him move out but 3 weeks later started seeing him again. Now he uses his son as a weapon to get sex and make sure that I don't move on with my life. I do love this man and really wish that I could get over him and stop hurting. His excuse was that I didn't trust him so why not go ahead and do it. Plus he was very mentally abusive and still is about my body and the changes after the masectomoy and chemo. I just can't seem to get any self respect back and figure out how to get over this. He says just forget and move on, but he is still trying to blame me for what he did. I need him to take the responsibility for what he done and make a real apology to me. I have been sitting here for 6 months now since I kicked him out but still seeing him why he is living at his mothers taking it easy. He wants to stay there but still me and I want to do counseling and put this back together or move on. Now he won't even try to get out of his moms house cause she is paying all the bills and watching his son and he do whatever he wants. He is 34 years and old and needs to grow up. My daughters are having a rough time not seeing his son. He has been a huge part of our lives and we would like to still see him. I cannot get him to really talk about what he has done. He says that is why he is staying at his moms so he won't have to talk to me about it, cause he is not ready. But he is ready to come back here several nights a week for sex. I feel used and don't know how to deal with my feelings. I am still going through surgeries for the breast cancer. I had 15 surgeries while he was cheating on me. Any help you can give me would be appreciated means this is something that you have been through. Thank You

See this is what is sick and unforgivable!! Your a woman going through the fight of your life and he's a coward.  All i can say is fight for U and your life and your daughters thats whats important.  I hate to say this but he put your life in his hands god forbid he gave you a STD with a death sentence.  I swear there should be laws against people knowing infecting others especially there own wife!! Love yourself get help! There is a man out there waiting to love and take care of you and see all the beautiful qualities you posses.  Your obviously a stronger woman fighting breast cancer so Please please don't let this worthless human being strive on your strength and beauty!!!!!!!! 

  

 
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November 14, 2005, 2:59 pm PST

Me too

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See this is what is sick and unforgivable!! Your a woman going through the fight of your life and he's a coward.  All i can say is fight for U and your life and your daughters thats whats important.  I hate to say this but he put your life in his hands god forbid he gave you a STD with a death sentence.  I swear there should be laws against people knowing infecting others especially there own wife!! Love yourself get help! There is a man out there waiting to love and take care of you and see all the beautiful qualities you posses.  Your obviously a stronger woman fighting breast cancer so Please please don't let this worthless human being strive on your strength and beauty!!!!!!!! 

  

I had the same thing happen to me. My husband of 8 years dumped me while I was going through Chemo for breast cancer. He said he was attracted to big breasted women. What a piece of garbage. I blamed myself for years. I am fully recovered and married to the doctor who treated me. Life is truly amazing.
 
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November 15, 2005, 6:24 am PST

keep in touch

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Boy does it sound like we're married to the same kind of person (for the most part).  I've had several years to deal with this, but it still keeps coming up and slapping me in the face.  Each time I think she's gone away and I can move on, I find that she's still in the picture.  I think I read in a previous quote from you that your husband doesn't like for you to "harp" on it.  Well, ditto - in those exact words.  He doesn't want to talk about it, nor does he want to hear about it.  He says whenever I bring it up, it "pushes him away from me".  I tell him he's already pushed me.  I just don't understand why he insists on continuing to talk to her.  Even if nothing is going on, he should have NOTHING to do with her.  His traveling lately has been the best for me right now.  It gives me that space away from him to figure myself out.   He loves our children, but he doesn't help much with any of the day to day stuff.  EVERYTHING is my responsibility.  He brings home the money - everything else is my job.  That's why I think I'm beginning to lose it.  If that's the way this marriage is going to continue, then I'll have to do it from my own home without him.  Anyway, thanks for listening.  If you want to talk more off the board, let me know and I'll make my email available for you to get.  Take care.  We will get through this.  Women are much stronger and can make things work much better than most men.   (Except Dr. Phil, of course!  :-)  )
I think it would be good for both of us to keep in touch. At least for me it helps to know that there is someone who is going through and has gone through a situation so remarkably similiar  to my own.  You can reach me on yahoo at the same e-mail name.
 
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November 15, 2005, 8:42 am PST

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November 15, 2005, 1:00 pm PST

talking to the other woman

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I meant to say love yourself enough not to put yourself through that again. 

Thank you for your reply   I think maybe you are right.  Iknow that this is about me and my husband and our marriage, and I feel that I should not let her have the satisfaction of being included in my struggle to make my marrige work.  However it is tormenting me that I know he lied to me about things that happened in their relationship, like the fact that it was ending anyway when for the last month before I found out the text and phone messages increased  He says that is because they were ending it and talking things thru Very hard for me to believe  Then I think to myself he was a lying cheating so and so anyway so why do I expect him to tell the truth now!!!!  he is trying very hard but everytime he goes out I want to follow him and see if he is meeting her  Will the pain ever end I ask myself? Please God things will get easier. 
 

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