Topic : 06/01 "My Kid's a Star"

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Created on : Friday, November 11, 2005, 05:29:55 am
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(Original Air Date: 11/16/05) Every parent believes his or her child is exceptional, but how do you know when you are pushing your children beyond their limits? Bridget is so determined to make her 9-year-old daughter the next LeAnn Rimes, she has had her singing every weekend for the last seven months, and she is constantly criticizing her performances and punishing her when she makes mistakes. The father of the biggest sister act in pop music weighs in. And, Julie is so obsessed with placing her daughters in hundreds of glitz beauty pageants, she has practically bankrupted her family. Her sister, Jamie, says she is forcing her 5-year-old to grow up too soon, and the pageants have torn their family apart. Talk about the show here.

 

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November 16, 2005, 5:27 pm PST

I TOTALLY AGREE!!

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I am a mother, a grandmother, and an actor by trade, as well a teacher and coach of actors. I can't speak to the entire subject of Bridget's treatment of her daughter, but there is one thing I know: When a performer, especially a child, comes offstage and asks "How did I do?" or "How was I", the ONLY acceptable answer is "Terrific! You were SO good!". If they ask again, "Was it good?", the answer is "Good? It was GREAT!". No matter what the performer asks, all they want to know is that you love them and approve of their efforts. If you are patient and loving and wait long enough, the performer will begin to self-critique: "Well, what about the part where I forgot the words?" Answer: "Honey, that can happen to anybody when they lose focus. We'll work on focus next rehearsal." This is how you love your child performer; by being adult enough to put a lid on your feelings, your disappointments, and your frustrations. How you feel and what you think are of less than no importance at the moment. Bridget is teaching Kara to only seek approval. Not to enjoy the moment, not to explore, grow, and take flight. I'm also a little concerned about Bridget's contant use of the plural '"we" or "our" when talking about career or performance. One more thing: Kara is an immature voice right now. That's not a a criticism, just a fact. She's a little girl. The female voice continues to develop well into the mid-twenties.Her little voice is running only on youth and strength, and, unless she learns suppport and placement (Bridget, do you even know what those are?), her voice won't last. And never mind LeeAnn Rimes. She is a one-in-a-million, God-given freak of nature. Kara shouldn't be held to a standard that's beyond her reach now.

I grew up singing competitively,and acting since I was 5, plus figure skating and piano and a bunch of other stuff that I had the opportunity  - and I HAD FUN and unconditional support from my parents and always got lots of cheers from them.THAT's the way to do it!  

Can I join your class? LOL  You sound like an awesome lady!  Kids probably flock to your class! 

 

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November 16, 2005, 5:33 pm PST

My Thoughts Exactly... on 11/16

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This show was really hard to stomach...one of those times that you just need to turn off the TV and leave wondering how adults can be so, well, ridiculous.  All I can say is that I am so thankful not to have had a mother like Kara's mom.  As we women go through our lives and face all the challenges that life has to offer, it is so nice to have a mother that is supportive and non-judgmental rather than one that puts you down about every perception of wrong doing.  Kara should be allowed to critique and punish her mom for being ...well, a jerk. 

 

I think Kara's mom went on this show to look for more gigs for her daughter to go on.  My projection is that when Kara becomes of age (or maybe before) she will run fast and far away from her mom.  Too bad, as we only have one chance at raising your children. 

So well stated!! 

  

How unfortunate for Kara that her parents appeared to NOT appreciate Dr. Phil's perspective and professional recommendation!   He is the professional after all.  In addition, Dr. Phil appropriately set the stage to include the real world example of how to make it a positive experience based on advise from the managing father of the Simpson sisters.  

  

Her parents seemed to totally miss the message! They appeared to BE UPSET hearing Dr. Phil'a advise, being encouraged to simply be supportive to Kara  "at the moment" - to allow Kara to enjoy the rewards of her efforts, to enjoy the moment - her moment!  They didn't seem to get it!  Or they just chose to ignore and dismiss it.   What are they thinking?    

  

It's sad they cannot see what they've been doing - placing unnecessary demands and pressure on Kara. According to Kara's father, they apparently intend to continue doing it. How sad... 

  

As parents, why not help Kara to appreciate her performance as a  positive, enlightening, fun experience.  Have it serve to compliment a happy, loving, and funfilled childhood. One that she will want to remember!  She has but one childhood to live.  Choose wisely for her - how she will remember it! 

  

Let's also PRAISE her grandmother for speaking out - and having the courage to do so! Yes! We do thank you! 

 
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November 16, 2005, 5:35 pm PST

Mother's don't have it...

Something that I've noticed over the years seeing shows about this topic is that the mothers usually are overweight and not very attractive...is this why they push their daughters into the pageant world???
 

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November 16, 2005, 5:35 pm PST

re: the truth

  

"Check out karahawkins.com and see for yourself!!"  RED FLAG!!! 

 

Why should a child have a website?  If she enjoys singing and performing so much there are many, many age appropriate ways for her to do this.  Autographs?  publicity photos?  This is a business - a career - not a hobby or an interest.  Let this child be a child! 

 
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November 16, 2005, 5:43 pm PST

Pageants have been good for my child

Pageants for my family have been a family affair. We travel as a family, my husband, my son and myself. We have all had fun alongside her at her pageants. Our daughter was placed in her first “glitz” pageant at the age of 13 months. She participated in 1-2 “glitz” pageants a year until the age of 4, mostly local preliminary level pageants. From age 4 to age 7 she did about 5 pageants a year state level. However, at age 8 she wanted to do more. We allowed her but we placed limitations on what we would spend and how far we would drive. She has just turned 12 years old and up until last year was participating in 10-12 national “glitz” pageants a year. “Glitz” pageants have changed a great deal in the 11 years we have been involved, not all for the better. When we began pageants a pretty girl in a $50 dress and an electric personality would be the “Grand Supreme” winner. Now many of the girls wear $1,000 dresses, pay $300 for hair & make-up services for a weekend at a national level pageant, not to mention, spray tanning, countless hours of coaching, retouched photos, pageant entry fees and hotel expenses. I will be the first to admit it is out of control.  

I ran my own pageant system for a number of years. I enjoyed seeing the faces of the children light up to receive a package of gifts. I liked throwing parties for the contestants and their families. It was a different time then. People would easily help one another out if they ran into a glitch. Now many pageant moms only help those in their group or those that they don’t feel are “competition” for their child. There were pageant moms that wouldn’t allow their child to play with another because she was “her competition”. That is the big reason I gave up directing. It ceased to be fun for the kids or me. The parents contaminated the pure joy of the children. Julia Poff was banned from coming to my system due to her actions. She is known throughout TX for making a fool of herself.  Don’t get me wrong; there are still a LOT of great pageant families out there but the old adage holds true “one bad apple spoils the bunch.” Dr. Phil has had 2 of them from TX on his show.   

Our daughter is now taking a break from “glitz” pageants. She wants to focus on school, athletics and band. Pageants have been good for her. She has learned confidence & sportsmanship from pageants. She has learned to win with subdued pride and loose with grace. We still go to some “glitz” pageants to see friends and have fun. When our daughter turns 13 she wants to compete in the Outstanding Teen system sponsored by the Miss America Organization. But, that is a year away and you never know, she may change her mind and want to do other things. Thats the way it should be, let them be kids and set limitations.
 
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November 16, 2005, 5:48 pm PST

Hello?!

I have never seen a set of people so clueless in my life.  Why Were you there?  So your kids could be seen on Dr. Phil?  First of all, those beauty pageants are just for suckers, to draw proud parents in to spend tons & tons of money.  They don't mean a thing to anybody in the real world, & guess who owns all those pageant outfit companies?  The ones where you pay thousands of dollars for a piece of junk?  So they make more money off of you clueless parents.  Of course, the kids want to do this because for a little while, they are the center of everyone's attention, until they don't win the top prize,  & the practicing, & the other bad stuff.  Kids also want to do what their parents want & what they think makes their parents accept them, and what else do they know?  Why would they say the Bad words, I don't want to do this, when they know you'll probably be unhappy with them, & won't let them quit anyway.  You all say you would, but I wonder, I really do.  Not that they're old enough to get the guts or the maturity  or the insight to say they want to quit, & stand up to you.  Please learn to use a little moderation--I don't agree with the pageants, but, I give you the right to make your daughter do some, just swallow a dose of reality, please.  If it is interfering with your family's welfare, monetarily, realationships deteriorating (where was the poor dad?lol), neglecting of other children --attention, etc., you've got a big problem.  Recognize it! 

  

The singing girl's parents, please loosen up & appreciate your daughter's talent.  You could see that the mother was being critical constantly, even on the video where she was watching her daughter perform.  She was stiff, nervous, & looked extremely unhappy and stressed.  How can that be fun, for anybody?  Silently, she was constantly broadcasting criticism (help?) to her daughter as she performed.  When she was standing next to her, she was giving her audible criticism (help?!}.  Get a life, loosen up, chill, enjoy your daughter performing, like everybody else  is.  Also, haven't you ever heard of pointing out the positives instead of the negatives?  You should be proud of your daughter, not so negative.  I know, I know, we've got it all wrong.  I just hope you saw yourself & maybe got a little insight, both of the mothers, expecially.  And ,of course, she asks what she got wrong!!!!!!   What is the typical pattern, LOL!  It's probably like, OK ,let's get it over with, because I know I  did something that I'm going to be put down about, or punished, so I can't even enjoy the performing.  And that was so on, what DP said, of couse she thinks she's nothing if she's not performing, because you have made it become the price of your love and validation, as I see it.  Don't make excuses, just try to be more relaxed & positive, this is not life or death, really! 

 
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November 16, 2005, 5:56 pm PST

more parents living their lives thru their children

What's with these parents.  I agree with the thought they were only on Dr. Phil's so their children would be seen plus please note you were given Kara's internet address several times!!!!  They wanted no advice whatsoever; that was so obvious.  They just don't get it.  Suffer the little children!!!  And by the way, does Kara's father have a backbone....how dare this woman treat Kara's grandmother in this manner (her husband's mother forevermore)!  Loved the grandmother but the mother is a shrew!!  She needs a dose of reality as does the Dad; young country singers are a dime a dozen.  As for singing in sleezy bars, how does she think Shania Twain started out in Canada, it is called "paying your dues".  

  

Jan from TN 

 
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November 16, 2005, 5:56 pm PST

Like talking to the Wall!!!!

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People...RELAX!! 

  

I really don't think you should be jumping all over these people and making them out to be child abusers pushing their precious babies into a life of pain and suffering!!  Since when do you really know these people??  Kara's mom is just like a million other mom's out there who just want her child to have fun and explore a talent.  Obviously Kara loves to sing...so let the kid sing!!   

  

My parents followed me around to ball tournaments every weekend from when I was 7-21 years old.  It was my life and I loved it.  Don't tell me that Kara would rather be wasting time sitting on the couch than doing something she loves.  Sure...practicing sometimes sucks...and ya...critism sucks....but look at the whole picture!!   

  

Why does everyone assume the worst from Kara's parents???   

  

Kara's Mom....I support you 

You may as well have been talking to the walls then trying to get through to today's guests.  MY GOOD LORD, you couldn't even make a reasonable arguement with those parents.  I can't believe how critical the parents were when their children didn't perform according to their expectations.  Like Dr. Phil said, She's 9!!! and 5!!!   Ease up!!  They just didn't want to listen to some excellent advice. 

 
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November 16, 2005, 5:57 pm PST

hmm..

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People...RELAX!! 

  

I really don't think you should be jumping all over these people and making them out to be child abusers pushing their precious babies into a life of pain and suffering!!  Since when do you really know these people??  Kara's mom is just like a million other mom's out there who just want her child to have fun and explore a talent.  Obviously Kara loves to sing...so let the kid sing!!   

  

My parents followed me around to ball tournaments every weekend from when I was 7-21 years old.  It was my life and I loved it.  Don't tell me that Kara would rather be wasting time sitting on the couch than doing something she loves.  Sure...practicing sometimes sucks...and ya...critism sucks....but look at the whole picture!!   

  

Why does everyone assume the worst from Kara's parents???   

  

Kara's Mom....I support you 

If this family  didn't have questions or want some advice why are they on the show?  By applying to be on this show they have made their family's business public, and put themselves out  there to be  criticized,  whether positive or negative.  If you are sticking up for them, may I ask you, shouldn't someone stick up for their daughter?  Hopefully at their ages they can accept a few negative remarks.  After all, they should be able to ignore it as well as they ignored Dr. Phil today.  I can guarantee you, if Kara's parents had been on the show discussing how they continually tell their daughter how great she does instead of how they give her the silent treatment or ground her for trying her best and having her best not be good enough, many, many of these people would not be sharing their frustrated thoughts today. Oh, and I don't know about everyone else, but I think I would assume the worst of Kara's parents because of the way they completely neglected to show any consideration for any advice ANYONE had for them today.  Why even bother being on the show...really.
 
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November 16, 2005, 5:57 pm PST

website say what?????

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"Check out karahawkins.com and see for yourself!!"  RED FLAG!!! 

 

Why should a child have a website?  If she enjoys singing and performing so much there are many, many age appropriate ways for her to do this.  Autographs?  publicity photos?  This is a business - a career - not a hobby or an interest.  Let this child be a child! 

I so agree....something else for the pervies to gander on.....geez!!!!
 

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