Topic : 06/01 "My Kid's a Star"

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Created on : Friday, November 11, 2005, 05:29:55 am
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(Original Air Date: 11/16/05) Every parent believes his or her child is exceptional, but how do you know when you are pushing your children beyond their limits? Bridget is so determined to make her 9-year-old daughter the next LeAnn Rimes, she has had her singing every weekend for the last seven months, and she is constantly criticizing her performances and punishing her when she makes mistakes. The father of the biggest sister act in pop music weighs in. And, Julie is so obsessed with placing her daughters in hundreds of glitz beauty pageants, she has practically bankrupted her family. Her sister, Jamie, says she is forcing her 5-year-old to grow up too soon, and the pageants have torn their family apart. Talk about the show here.

 

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November 16, 2005, 9:03 pm PST

Please give it up

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I am Kara's mother.  I appreciate all the concern you guys have expressed but let me assure you everything you see is not always how it truly is.  My daughter is an extremely talented kid.  She plays soccer and softball and sings almost every weekend at venues across the states of Tx. and OK.  She is in the 4th grade and maintains straight A's.  Her father and I noticed at an early age that she had an interest in singing and also dancing.  We enrolled her in dance lessons but she soon realized that she liked to sing the songs rather than dance to them.  We then enrolled her in voice lessons.  She was a natural and she loved it.  Now 2 years later at 9 years old her goal is to be the next Leann Rimes.  We did not push her into this decision.  She pushed us.  Every weekend she is ready to go .  She loves to meet new people and to see the friends she has made.  The punishment part comes down to this.  It is just like practicing for a basketball game.  You would not let your child play in a game that he or she was not prepared for.  Kara has to practice.  Sometimes she doesn't want to but she has to.  It's like making your kids brush their teeth. your kid doesn't want to brush their teeth but you make them.  Punishment??  We realize that she is just 9 years old, but this is her decision not ours.  Their are times when our family does not want to travel 200 miles for a show but because she loves it and and we believe you have to back up your kids and help them live their dreams, we load up and go.  Is this PUNISHMENT?  We have 2 other children and we would do the same for them.  We just want to see our kids  do what makes them happy.  Yes i agree their are some parents that live through their kids and their are some that go to extremes where some people are concerned but We are not those Parents.  At any time, if my daughter decides she does not want to sing we will support her decision, but we do encourage our kids to finish what they start and not to be quitters when the going gets tough.  And as far as critisism goes, we do not put her down we give her constructed advise because she asks us for it. Check out karahawkins.com and see for yourself!!
Why is it not against the law to exploit your child for your own personal gain?   Did you watch the show today?  I recorded it and constantly had to rewind to figure out what you were trying to say, as every other sentence you contradicted yourself.  And type it all you want, you were there for free publicity for YOU (KaraInc.)  I think the remark that made me the sickest to my stomach was about how it wasn't enough for Kara to be a 9-year-old.  She had to be the BEST 9 year old.  I must be a superior mother, as my 4-year-old is the best 4 year-old in the world just by being her, no need for the Dog and Pony show.   My secret?  Being her biggest fan UNCONDITIONALLY.   The world is a harsh place.  The entertainment world is even harsher.  You and your disturbing husband (if you look real close, you could see the dollar signs in his eyes) have already taken away her only safe haven by being her roughest critics.  I know you will have a bunch of Blah Blah Blah.  I know she has friends that she can/can't see (depending on what you are responding to).  I know she can leave at any time (cult members, sound familiar?).  Stop watching your daughter and start watching yourselves.  Now THERE'S a performance!
 

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November 16, 2005, 9:12 pm PST

Kara's Mom - Are you serious?

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Not only is my daughter a great singer, she is a great performer also.  The camera crew says action and she can cry on que!!  The so called HURT in this childs eyes is the result of 2 years of performing on stage in front of a live audience.  She is also the middle child that knows exactly how to get her way.  So thank you so much for that compliment, Kara was very pleased with her performance.  And she really wants to try acting classes.  And I totally agree it takes a special person to do what my daughter does and we tell her on a daily basis how extremely proud of her we are. 

You are so right - none of us really know what is going on in your family - between you, your husband and your daughter and your entire family.  However, what was observed on Dr. Phil's program on 11/16  "My Kid's a Star" segment - was a major disappointment to many.   Trust me... Your objective for being on the show was what exactly?  Really, why? 

  

And in your comments above - you are saying that your daughter is also a great actress stating thank you for the compliment? With tongue in cheek obviously.   And I quote:  "She is also the middle child that knows exactly how to get her way."   

  

Emphasizing that your daughter, as a middle child, also manages to manipulate everyone to get her way?  Why would you as her mother say that?  I see a child's manipulation being defined as "a way for a child to get 'what are her perceived needs' met."   Perceived Needs, not their actual needs. Only we as parents can best determine their real "needs", especially the needs of those at age 9. 

  

Implying that Kara's crying comes easily (by design?) due to the past 2 years of acting on stage in front of a live audience.   Are you serious?   Then saying you praise her for that talent.  Are you not talking out of 2 sides of your mouth?  

  

There are far more dynamics going on in this family than anyone had imagined (as with many families - really).  I sincerely hope you consider getting counceling, truly, from professionals who can offer solutions on how to better understand everything, now that you have opened up pandora's box.   

  

Hoping your family's focus and goals improve for a more meaningful and happier life.  Try to lighten up, relax and enjoy each other.  That is where professionals can help... 

  

 
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November 16, 2005, 9:16 pm PST

My kids are the best

None of these parents have a chance in hell of ever having better kids than I do. My kids are funnier, more talented, better behaved, better looking, smarter,etc. etc. etc. I really do have the worlds greatest kids and I feel pitty for all of those parents that need their kids to do something to be proud of them. They are missing the true miracle of being a parent, finding out what love really means. Now I could go on and on about one daughter's artistic talents or the others singing ability but they did everything they needed to do to get my undying affection when they popped out and said " Honey I'm Home" well you get the idea.
 
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November 16, 2005, 9:20 pm PST

Just lighten up

These are not bad parents. They love their kids as much as any other parents do. None of us have all the answers. I think though that for Cara's mom who asked for Dr. phil's opinion she should also look closely at what he said. He did not say she should not do this. He said it should be fun. I would love to be able to do what she does. This is not something she sould have to get frustrated about. I think anyone who can get up in front of people and perform without throwing up did a wonderful job. There is such a thing as pushing kids too hard. I do not believe we were given enough information to make this decision, but the fact that she also play soccer, and softball and gets straight A's does not prove that she is not pushed to perform. I think that those things make it all worse. Does she spend any time not practicing a sport, or her music, or doing homework. I have a teenager who has recently started cheerleading at her school. She is also a straight A student, But between the cheerleading and the homework she is already severely limited in her free time. If we added one more thing I do not see how it would be possible for her to just "chill" ever.  

 
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November 16, 2005, 9:21 pm PST

open your eyes and ears

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Kara's mom: A bit of constructive advice (not constructed); it's advice that is meant to BUILD something rather than tear down something (destructive advice) FYI ... Just realize that your unbelievable continuing defence of your position is evidence ITSELF of the fallacy of your position. What you believe in is WRONG; your CHILD needs unconditional love, to develop her OWN sense of self-esteem from INSIDE, not from tawdry tacky outside affirmations like these 'pageants'. You delusion is SO obvious that it is really amazing you fail to recognize it; I have read many of these postings and they are SO on the money about the state of the 'moms' in most of these sagas also - why not invest some money in a gym membership, spa days, hair and makeup lessons for yourselves, if it's what you're so into, and if it is that from which you feel you will get your own affirmation. Sorry to join the chorus of voices stating this the obvious! And READ all the messages from ex-kids who are now performers, or from the teenagers who have had the chutzpah to post messages -- and BE forewarned, you are pushing your kids away from you rather than endearing yourself to them - BET on that! Here's a suggestion: Why not ONLY participate in those things that you can afford on the spot from budgeted savings for such folly, and why not invest in the saner suggestions given throughout this board - college tuition savings, VOICE lessons (or at least an hour of time from a regional professional who is NOT looking to take your money away from you even if your child is tone deaf (which they may well be for all I know). Coming from a music industry background, I tell you this: I watched this television show today, and cannot remember the name of, or music sung by, your child - what I can recall recognizing glimpses of was ATTITUDE, and that will be fatal in the business - fatal. Personality strength is one thing, but attitude that the world revolves around one on the way UP at least will be the kiss of death. And finally, if your offspring HAVE talent, it will find its way out to self-expression. Why not lighten up, suggest hockey, or softball, instead, or reading one book a month and discussing it in a family 'club' or something, or picnics and family outings where there is no 'audience', and let your kids be KIDS? They are young for SUCH a short time - you are making a decision for them that may haunt you, and are you in a position to make those choices for them without future recrimination or alienation? I don't think so ... finally, make sure whoever's songs you are using on your 'promotional' cds really are being used by you legally, or else you'll be screwed. Can't believe you didn't listen to a stage father like Mr. Simpson - he does know what he's talking about, you know? You perhaps DON'T compared to him. And lastly, I am utterly appalled you continue to flaunt your child with reference to a website; that makes me really feel creeped out. You should finda therapist and solve your OWN self-esteem issues (both of you) - THEN dish out criticism if you really dare!

I just got done watching the show and I have to say this is the first of all Dr Phil's programs which has made me want to log on to this message board.  The parents (in both segments) totally missed the advise given to them today.  I personally think it is wonderful to help your children find something they are interested in and support them in it...but not at the expense of harming them in the meantime.  I have more of a problem with Kara's parents.  First I would like to say...every weekend for 7 months??...where is her childhood going??  She might enjoy singing but does it have to be like a job?  She is not old enough to make those decisions for herself and the parents are doing her a grave injustice by allowing it to happen.  I don't doubt Kara loves to sing but how long will she love it with both of them (especially her mother) criticizing her during and after her performances.  To see the look in lil' Kara's eyes when here mom was yelling at her and punishing her in the car...yeah, that looks like she enjoys it.  I wanted to reach through the TV and cover the mom's mouth and hug that little girl.  I am 35 years old and as a young girl I was involved in all sorts of sports (cheerleading, soccer, softball, track, golf, bowling...you name it).  I can still remember the events where I did not perform the way I wanted to but every time I walked to the car with my parents, with a smile of their faces, they both told me how proud they were of me and pointed out the best part of my game that particular day.  I knew there were things I could have done better but I felt like I was on top of the world to hear those things from them.  It was those words and that type of encouragement which made me prepare more for the next event.  Dr. Phil was absolutely right when he said the things that need "fixed" should not be addressed right after the event but rather after the emotion of the event has past.  How ignorant of the mother to continue to defend herself and flat out lie about things she had said during the interviews and then for the father to comment that he is not going to lie to his daughter. 

As Kara and her voice matures, she might very well be a great talent in the music industry but the way they are going about it, none of us will ever find out.  

 
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November 16, 2005, 9:31 pm PST

LOL What a great Idea!!!

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That would be an interesting concept - moms and daughters competing as a team to be judged.  I think a lot of moms see it that way now, only the moms are "behind the scenes" contestants.  It would be interesting to see the mom's have to their own looks, clothing, talent, poise, and composure judged on stage while people are judging their children.
I'm just imagining the two mothers on the show going through what their kid goes through!!!  What a great lesson!!!
 
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November 16, 2005, 9:34 pm PST

Selfish Parents-Want to be Stars

I just finished watching the "My Kid's a Star" program.  I am still upset at how kind you and the audience were to these two sets of parents.  Clearly, they are not putting the children's feelings and emotions first.  The primary focus of both MOM's  were award trophy's and contracts. Neither were expert or trained coaches in their kids chosen fields. And what about the long term financial burden they are putting the entire family through.   College education?   Retirement?   I believe both Mom's are trying to fufill a hidden need and both need counseling.   I was really suprised the Dad in one case was suprisingly silent (who wears the pants in that family). 

  

I have two wonderful boys who enjoy many seasonal sports programs.   It it up to me as a parent to set limits and boundaries on how many sports/extra curricular activities they can become involved in.  I truly believe they must also enjoy every day life experiences which includes non-competitive time spent with friends.   I see some of my children's friends become so involved in wrestling that it has consumed their entire family life.   The once social and bubbly family have become distant (personally and because of travel) and they are not as happy as they once were.  My kids even comment on how they wish their friend could spend more time with us - but they are always gone to a tournament.      I would love to see a follow-up program on these two families in a year or two.   I hope both parents go home and discuss as a family what extremes they are putting their children through and limit their activities in the immediate future.  

 

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November 16, 2005, 9:34 pm PST

Both Sets of Parents are Unbelieveable

It's difficult to choose which mother was worse.  (And father in the 2nd segment).  The first mother was willing to bankrupt (or almost bankrupt) their family in order to have her kids compete in a beauty pageant.  A contest to choose which child is the prettiest.  How shallow is THAT?

And the second mother (and father) - they were no better.  Making their daughter work so hard -  I wonder if it's so she can make the money and support them one day.  Or is it just for fame? 

You can tell who wears the pants in the 2nd segment - the mother.  She was a jerk to her mother-in-law but the husband didn't even step in.  If someone were to treat my mother unfairly, I'd certainly stand up for her!  All she wanted was for her grandchildren to have a childhood - I guess that was too much for her son and daughter-in-law.

Both sets of parents  were critical as hell of their children but couldn't take it  themselves - when Dr Phil gave his opinion of what they're doing to their kids, the mothers backtracked, gave excuses and (IMO) outright lied in order to look better.  It didn't work, though.

For example, that second mother said her daughter had been booked every weekend for the past 7 or 8 months - when Dr Phil asked if the girl was missing out on kids' activities, the mom said, "No she's not."  Then he showed the tape where they mother admitted it. 

The father in the 2nd segment was no better.  Dr Phil (and Simpson) gave excellent advice - he rejected it completely.  Flat out said he wouldn't follow their advice - even though Dr Phil and Mr Simpson KNOW better.

Saying their daughters  "wanted" to be a contestant or singer  was such a  cop-out.  They are KIDS - they don't always know what's right.  That's what parents are supposed to do - guide their children and keep them safe.  Don't push them until they're miserable.

Those parents are going to look back one day and regret not allowing their daughters to have a childhood.  It goes so fast - before they know it, their daughters will be adults and having their own children.  But, in their quest for fame and/or fortune, the parents are cheating their kids - and themselves.
      

 
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November 16, 2005, 9:38 pm PST

I wouldn't go that far...

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I am a professional musician and former music educator and I thought the girl singer sucked.  Even though the mom puts her, down, I see her having a big ego(so typical of singers) in the future.  She already goes to the principal or whatever and asks why she wasn't invited to sing the anthem at certain sporting events.  As a former educator, I've had to deal with attitude problems from kids with pushy parents...We should never allow bad singers to butcher the National Anthem!!!  Obviosly, the mom has no clue about music and the kid did not seem to be having fun.
I'm not a professional musician, but I've had a lot of training and I also noticed she was rough, but she's nine and she definitely has a good voice.  For as much as her parents argue about how good this is for their daughter, they haven't helped her stay on pitch and listening to her songs on the website, she's needs some work getting through her breaks.  No reason at all she can't work on that, but her mother seems so set against anyone's opinion but her own, I could see how a voice coach would have a hard time getting the point across.
 
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November 16, 2005, 9:53 pm PST

She paid to win

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What truly puzzles me, however, is how Emily has ever won a pageant.  Let's face it -- without the TON of make-up, fake hair, very expensive outfits, etc., she is "just" another little girl -- certainly no prettier than any of "our" little girls. 

 

Isn't it obvious?  If you were one of the sponsors of these pageants wouldn't you pick her?  Her mom has spent $90,000 over the last few years.  Other parents there ask her how she did it.... "Oh, well, I bought this and this and this..."  No better way than success to keep a paying customer in the pageant business...
 

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