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Topic : 11/17 The Search for Natalee and Amy

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Created on : Friday, November 11, 2005, 05:33:38 am
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Eighteen-year-old Natalee Holloway disappeared early last summer during a senior class trip to the island of Aruba. On a recent show, Dr. Phil joined the search for the missing teen and broke new ground in the case. He called for a boycott of Aruba and put his own investigators on the trail. Now, two months later, Natalee's mother feels there is a strong chance her daughter is still alive. Hear, for the first time ever, the evidence she reveals to Dr. Phil. Also, learn how effective the boycott is and why a pair of Dr. Phil's rescuers found themselves in need of a rescue.  Plus, Natalee's disappearance bears similarities to the case of another young woman who went missing in the same region. Meet the parents of Amy Bradley and see what strong evidence has them holding onto hope that their daughter is still alive.  Join the discussion.

 

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November 16, 2005, 3:26 pm CST

Amy

Dr. Phil - Thank you so much for supporting these families.  For years I have prayed for the Bradley's and have been so disappointed to see the decline in the publicity given to this case.  Especially when they received information after her disappearance from the individual who actually spoke with her when she asked for help.  So many years have passed since Amy's disappearance and this show will reach a whole new generation of viewers.  Dr. Phil - Thank You!  Viewers - Continue to pray for Amy and Natalie! 

 
November 16, 2005, 3:51 pm CST

11/17 The Search for Natalee

Quote From: kmsusa

I'm sure it's hard for you to give a subjective look at the Natalee Holloway investigation, Aruba78, because it is your home and probably has a special place in your heart.  Just so you're aware, I vacationed on Aruba for ten days about 2 years ago, and I LOVED it.  The people were friendly and it was a perfect vacation, and you're right, the island is safe.  What concerns me, is the competancy of the investigators of the case.  When Dave Holloway first went to the island to look for his missing daughter, one of the police officers asked him how much money he has.  That is totally unprofessional!  Also, the prosecutor (in the earlier days of the case) is good friends with Paulus van der Sloot.  I'm convinced that this had much to do with the incompetancy of the Aruban police force/investigation team throughout the whole investigation.  Also, the FBI WAS NOT ALLOWED TO HELP WITH THE INVESTIGATION, they were only allowed to view documents and observe interrogations.  It also is a proven fact that the interrogations were totally messed up.  There were no follow-up questions during questioning; in a signed statement by Joran van der Sloot, he said that he thinks "Deepak raped and killed her."  The Aruban investigators left it at that, they didn't bother to ask why he killed her, or where her body is.  I know you might think that because crimes like this don't happen on Aruba, that they didn't know how to handle it as good as investigators in the USA could.  But it has nothing to do with that, it's common sense to ask follow up questions, even I would know how to do that and I have no experience in law enforcement and I'm from a town in Iowa that has not had any crimes in the last twenty years.  There seems to be an extreme lack of common sense on the part of the Aruban officials.  They've yanked the family around so much hoping they'd give up.  I don't think that's going to happen.  The only way to get the officials to wake up and realize they need to get their incompetant butts in gear is to hit them where it hurts--their tourism industry.  I shall be vacationing in the U.S. Virgin Islands this year.

I just want to ask you to reread you comment. Do you realise that the comments you gave, are based on just one side of  this whole story? I don't blame you though, I understand it's the media coverage, news should be sensation right? Otherwise people wouldn't watch or listen to it. But did you ever get the side of the local authorities in this case? Did you ever hear the local police say that they 'wouldn't allow the FBI to help with the investigation'? I'm sure the only documents that were released to the public were the ones that were worthy enough to 'make the news'.   

  

You stated that the police here asked Dave Holloway how much money he had. Well I have seen statements of Beth Twitty talking on the news too, saying that the Aruban officials said many bad things about her daughter. She stated that she could 'understand everything' that they were saying, I find that really hard to believe, and you who have been here, should know what a difficult language Papiamento is for a foreigner to understand. So I really do believe that many things that may have been said have been taken out of context. 

  

Now let's assume for a moment that an Aruban girl was missing in the U.S. Do you really believe that Aruban authorities could just jump in and take over the entire investigation? It should be a JOINED effort to find the truth, so I don't understand the arrogance of some people to just assume that it is 'just a case of US officials coming in and taking over'. Here in Aruba we have laws too you know. Aruba did get help from the Netherlands, they send specialists who were also present at these interrogations, so weren't they competent enough in your view? I am sure that there are many documents surrounding these interrogations that have not been released to the public. So why judge when you really don't have all the information? I can also understand that the investigation didn't go 'perfect'. But I also believe that many people tried the best they could to find the truth about this case. People who joined in the search when they didn't have to, that's just the nature of the Aruban people, always being helpfull. So with this supposed 'boycott' it is really those people that you will be hurting, those people who are hard workers trying to support their families. But I really do hope you enjoy your vacation in the US Virgin Islands.  

And I'm sure the people who really love Aruba will always come back. 

 
November 16, 2005, 4:04 pm CST

About Amy Bradly

Below I've attached to links that give some information regarding Amy Bradly.  The first link comes from the FBI missing persons case and the second comes from America's Most wanted missing persons case.  I'm assuming these are two honest sources. 

  

In short, I'll tell you what these two links say, but I'll let it up to you to decide what happened.  Amy Bradley went on a cruise that went to several islands in the carribbean.  Aruba and Curacao being two stops.  The Bradly family stopped in Aruba, and the next day, they would arrive in Curacao, however at docking in Curacao, she was reported missing.  Amy went missing after the ship was already sailing, near the port of Curacao.  There is evidence that she was onboard while they were sailing (her family for one).  For those who have been on a cruise, know that you have to go through customs and you're counted so that the ship knows that everyone is onboard to go to the next destination.  If someone is missing, an alarm is sent.   

  

The Bradly family and the cruise ship, acknowledge that she left the island of Aruba, so my question is this:  How is it possible that the news suddenly says she went missing in Aruba?  Something is up here. 

  

http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/kidnap/bradley.htm 

  

http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/case.cfm?id=24282 

  

Note:  the distance between Curacao and Aruba is about 300 miles, she was seen onboard by her family prior to docking in Curacao.  Conclusion, she did not go missing in Aruba. 

  

  

  

  

 
November 16, 2005, 4:12 pm CST

Error with info

Quote From: teamamy2

Our Amy is also missing after being asked to go to Carlos and Charlies.We think these two may be related. Please visit our site. http://www.tggweb.com/amybradley/

Amy did not go missing in Aruba. 

  

http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/case.cfm?id=24282 

  

http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/kidnap/bradley.htm 

  

Get your facts strait. 

 
November 16, 2005, 4:22 pm CST

Amy Bradly did not go missing in Aruba

Amy Bradly did not go missing in Aruba, here is my evidence, where is yours? 

  

http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/kidnap/bradley.htm 

  

http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/case.cfm?id=24282 

  

I'm just doing this to seperate rumors. 

 
November 16, 2005, 6:00 pm CST

Thank You Dr Phil

Dr Phil~ 

Thank you so much for keeping the spotlight on this story.  I truly hope that because of this attention, we will find out what is really going on over there!  I am so disgusted at how this whole thing has played out and hope and pray that this will soon be solved and over with.   

  

  

 
November 16, 2005, 8:16 pm CST

Ty Ritter - A real life hero

I'm truly looking forward to the 11/17 show re Natalee Holloway and the efforts mad to recover her and Amy. I'm also familiar with your guest, Ty Ritter, a modern day hero and a "superman" who dedicates his life to the rescue of kidnapped children and young women who are sold into the sex slave trade.  For more information on Ty Ritter, see his personal website at   http://tyritterprotection.com/  and his new website specifically for his Child Recovery Efforts at www.projectchildsave.com.   

  

Thank you, Dr. Phil, for caring enough to keep the public informed as to what really happens to these stolen children.   Perhaps by educating the public openly we will be able to make a difference and save a life. 

  

  

 
November 16, 2005, 11:25 pm CST

11/17 The Search for Natalee and Amy

Quote From: aruba78

I just want to ask you to reread you comment. Do you realise that the comments you gave, are based on just one side of  this whole story? I don't blame you though, I understand it's the media coverage, news should be sensation right? Otherwise people wouldn't watch or listen to it. But did you ever get the side of the local authorities in this case? Did you ever hear the local police say that they 'wouldn't allow the FBI to help with the investigation'? I'm sure the only documents that were released to the public were the ones that were worthy enough to 'make the news'.   

  

You stated that the police here asked Dave Holloway how much money he had. Well I have seen statements of Beth Twitty talking on the news too, saying that the Aruban officials said many bad things about her daughter. She stated that she could 'understand everything' that they were saying, I find that really hard to believe, and you who have been here, should know what a difficult language Papiamento is for a foreigner to understand. So I really do believe that many things that may have been said have been taken out of context. 

  

Now let's assume for a moment that an Aruban girl was missing in the U.S. Do you really believe that Aruban authorities could just jump in and take over the entire investigation? It should be a JOINED effort to find the truth, so I don't understand the arrogance of some people to just assume that it is 'just a case of US officials coming in and taking over'. Here in Aruba we have laws too you know. Aruba did get help from the Netherlands, they send specialists who were also present at these interrogations, so weren't they competent enough in your view? I am sure that there are many documents surrounding these interrogations that have not been released to the public. So why judge when you really don't have all the information? I can also understand that the investigation didn't go 'perfect'. But I also believe that many people tried the best they could to find the truth about this case. People who joined in the search when they didn't have to, that's just the nature of the Aruban people, always being helpfull. So with this supposed 'boycott' it is really those people that you will be hurting, those people who are hard workers trying to support their families. But I really do hope you enjoy your vacation in the US Virgin Islands.  

And I'm sure the people who really love Aruba will always come back. 

You make some good points.  If an Aruban girl was missing in the USA, it probably wouldn't even be necessary for Aruban authorities to step in because it is such a big country with an extremely well trained law enforcement system.  I don't really fault Aruba for their lack of expertise in that area, because they're a small island and this doesn't happen much there. 

  

You're right, Papiamento is an extremely obscure language, and for someone fluent in Spanish, I could not understand a world of this blend of languages.  Don't all the government officials speak English anyways?  Don't they speak it to Americans, like the Holloways and Twittys?  I don't understand this communication glitch otherwise. 

  

I just wish the FBI were allowed to question, because they are extremely well trained in interrogations, these are the people that make hardened criminals and international terrorists crack, I'm sure they could have gotten the truth out of some teenage boys. 

  

As for the boycott, I'm sorry that it has to affect the good people of Aruba, because the people of Aruba are really top notch.  But as a mother myself, I can almost imagine what Natalee's family must be going through.  All of their efforts to date have been fruitless, so they really see this as the last resort.  I think the actual purpose of the boycott is to put pressure on the government to hire a new investigative team.  The assistant prosecutor that resigned the case did a fine job I think, and even she was frustrated with Karin Jansen (spelling?) and the current team of investigators.  Instead of being mad at the family for the boycott, the Aruban citizens should put pressure on their government, because they are the ones that made this boycott happen.  Even Dave Holloway, who has been extremely patient and well tempered is in support of the boycott. 

  

Let's not forget about the "new witness" that was found by THE FAMILY, and the authorities have yet to question him.  It's just so much like the beginning of the investigation when they didn't arrest the real culprits for ten days, maybe they wanted to give the judge's son enough time to destroy all the evidence so it would look like Natalee just ran away.  They wanted to cover this crime up from the beginning so it wouldn't hurt their tourism industry, but that plan totally back fired because this isn't going to go away. 

 
November 17, 2005, 12:27 am CST

This fighting of words is ridiculous!!

     I have just read every post on the boards on this subject so far and the majority of them infuriate me.  Our (Alabama's) governor recently issued a proclamation declaring a boycott of Aruba......Dr. Phil asked for a boycott of Aruba the first time he had Natalee's mom on his show, after hearing what she had to say, doing his own investigation into the FACTS of the case and the circumstancial evidence of the case.  The people of Aruba cannot understand why, some here in the USA cannot understand why.  Here is why and Dr. Phil said it as plain and simple as it can be said..........We are the people of the United States of America.......Natalee is a citizen of the United States of America.  That is OUR FELLOW AMERICAN missing in Aruba and as Americans we have a duty AND the freedom to boycott a country whose government  only went through the motions of investigating what happened to our American sister.  And we have the freedom to not boycott.  But you people need to stop and think.....if that were your sister, brother, daughter, son or parent that disappeared without a trace and the investigation was screwed from the very first second, would you not hope, pray and expect the kind of support the family of Natalee is getting?? And YES, I have experience in law enforcement and it WAS screwed from the beginning.  To the people of Aruba...........if your "Natalee" disappeared here in the United States, a stranger in a foreign country (no matter what the crime rate), would you not be raising as much noise as you could, do everything within your power to find her, and then when our government said "well, we have this and this, but we don't have anything, sorry, can't help you, go home without your child" no matter how nice the citizens were or how helpful they were, you would be calling for a boycott also.  Or at least I would hope you would.  This is about a HUMAN BEING, not who's right and who's wrong, who did what, who disappeared where. 
 
November 17, 2005, 3:44 am CST

Boycot?

Quote From: aruba78

I just want to ask you to reread you comment. Do you realise thatthecomments you gave, are based on just one sideof this whole story? I don't blame you though, I understand it's the media coverage, news should be sensation right? Otherwise people wouldn't watch or listen to it. But did you ever get the side of the local authorities in this case? Did you ever hear the local police say that they 'wouldn'tallow the FBI to help with the investigation'? I'm sure the only documents thatwere released to the public were the ones that were worthy enough to 'make the news'.

You stated that the police here asked Dave Holloway how much money he had. Well I have seen statements of Beth Twittytalking on the news too, saying that the Aruban officials said many bad things about her daughter. She stated that she could 'understand everything' that they were saying, I find that really hard to believe, and you who have been here, should know what a difficult language Papiamento is for a foreigner to understand. So I really do believe that many things that may have been said have been taken out of context.

Now let's assume for a moment that an Aruban girl was missing in the U.S. Do you really believe that Aruban authorities could just jump in and take over the entire investigation? It should be aJOINED effort to find the truth, so I don't understand the arrogance of some people to just assume that it is 'just a case of US officials coming in and taking over'. Here in Aruba we have laws too you know. Aruba did get help from the Netherlands, they send specialists who were also present at these interrogations, so weren't they competent enough in your view?I am sure that there are many documents surrounding these interrogations that have not been released to the public. So why judge when you really don't have all the information? I can also understand that the investigation didn't go 'perfect'. But I also believe that many people tried the best they could to find the truth about this case. People who joined in the search when they didn't have to, that's just the nature of the Aruban people, always being helpfull. So with this supposed 'boycott' it is really those people that you will be hurting, those people who are hard workers trying to support their families. ButI really do hope you enjoy your vacation in the US Virgin Islands.

And I'm sure the people whoreally love Aruba will always come back.

I just have to react to this topic. I saw the first show on the search for Natalee and I really feel for her family and hope and pray they will get some clarity on what happened soon - and I'll pray tey will find Natalee.  

  

But, after the first show I was really dissapointed in Dr. Phil; in my view the show was not objective and only showing the point of view of Natalee's mother - which is understandable but not fair. And now with this talk about boycotting Aruba; how can he do that? Like there isn't any crime going on in the US, what's next? Boycotting L.A., San Francisco, New York? Dr. Phil, you know you have a big influence on people's lives and points of view and I am sorry, but you should know better. There are always different sides to a story and just showing the side of Natalee's family is not right.

  

Do the show, try to find new information and keep the search on going but please, do not judge a whole island for something that maybe just one or two persons did!   

 
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