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Eighteen-year-old Natalee Holloway disappeared early last summer during a senior class trip to the island of Aruba. On a recent show, Dr. Phil joined the search for the missing teen and broke new ground in the case. He called for a boycott of Aruba and put his own investigators on the trail. Now, two months later, Natalee's mother feels there is a strong chance her daughter is still alive. Hear, for the first time ever, the evidence she reveals to Dr. Phil. Also, learn how effective the boycott is and why a pair of Dr. Phil's rescuers found themselves in need of a rescue.  Plus, Natalee's disappearance bears similarities to the case of another young woman who went missing in the same region. Meet the parents of Amy Bradley and see what strong evidence has them holding onto hope that their daughter is still alive.  Join the discussion.

 

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November 21, 2005, 6:32 pm PST

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An interesting read, and there are others.  The (worldwide) public claim to know how Arubans (re)acted to the Natalee case, but do they really?  How many people are merely relying on Dr Phil's or CNN's interpretation?  Before you make a decision on your reaction to this case, get more information. Are you making an informed decision or agreeing because a certain celebrity Dr. told you so?   

  

From paradise to paradox in Aruba At first, finding a missing American girl was paramount. Then the American media settled in, and attitudes have changed.

By DAVID ADAMS, Times Latin America Correspondent
Published August 22, 2005
 

  

ORANJESTAD, Aruba - Hurricanes almost never come this far south in the Caribbean. 

It's one of the many attractions that lure hundreds of thousands of tourists each year to the sunny, slow-paced island of Aruba. 

But, when an Alabama teen, Natalee Holloway, disappeared May 30, Arubans had no idea of the storm that was about to hit them. 

Within days of her disappearance packs of reporters - mostly cable TV producers and crews - descended on the unsuspecting island. They were soon followed by dozens of members of U.S.-based volunteer search groups. 

Audiences in the United States are used to the sight of media satellite trucks arrayed outside Los Angeles courthouses, high school shootings and even a Pinellas Park hospice. But tiny Aruba has never seen anything like it. Only 20 miles long and 6 miles across, with 97,000 inhabitants, it is less than one-third the size of Pinellas County, with one-tenth the population. 

At first the Americans were met with open arms by locals. They found them free hotel rooms and meals. They washed their clothes. Arubans are proud of the island's reputation for hospitality and a low crime rate. Auto license plates boast the slogan, "One Happy Island." 

But almost three months later patience with the media - and the Holloway family - is wearing thin. 

"We put out the welcome mat and we were trampled upon," said Julia Renfro, the U.S.-born editor of Aruba Today , a daily English-language newspaper that rallied island support for the family. "We all wanted to help, but we never thought this would become a case against Aruba." 

Arubans say they sympathize deeply with Holloway's family. But unbalanced and overblown coverage by the U.S. media has put TV ratings ahead of professional journalism, they complain. 

Criticism of Americans does not come easily to Arubans. U.S. consumer culture is everywhere to be seen in Aruba, from brand names such as Marriott to Taco Bell. But, as the story grinds on with no end in sight, Arubans are learning there are aspects of U.S. culture they could do without. 

* * *  

Most of what we know about the case was known in the first few days. 

Natalee Holloway vanished hours before she was to catch a return flight to Alabama at the end of a high school graduation trip. 

Authorities detained seven people in the case, but only Joran van der Sloot, the 18-year-old son of a Dutch trainee judge, remains in custody. Holloway was last seen leaving a bar with van der Sloot. 

Despite the lack of major developments, the Holloway story continues to receive prime-time coverage in the United States. 

So what are all these reporters doing? 

On Wednesday, cameramen and reporters staked out the courthouse for a closed-door hearing, hoping to catch a glimpse of van der Sloot entering and leaving in handcuffs. Lawyers were ambushed on the courthouse steps, but had little new to say. 

With networks paying as much as $1,500-a-day for freelance cameramen, $300 to $400 for hotel rooms for producers and crew, as well as $3,000 for satellite feeds, any tidbit will do. 

When a park ranger found a piece of duct tape with a strand of blond hair, it became major international news. Talk shows deemed it crucial evidence. The hair turned out to belong to a local wave-boarder out surfing. 

An arm found off the coast of Venezuela was treated with similar scrutiny. The dubious testimony of two supposed witnesses - a gardener and a homeless man - is endlessly debated. 

One witness led authorities to drain two salt ponds, disturbing a flock of nesting egrets. Journalists clambering for a view accidentally broke a water main, reflooding one pond. The day after the pipe was fixed, reporters broke it again. 

A Texas search group of mostly middle-aged men with large waistlines held a press conference to announce they would appreciate some free food. Another group from Florida accused the Texans of overindulging at local bars, and failing to do a professional job. 

A park ranger accused a Texas volunteer group of destroying a nest of endangered sea turtle eggs while searching on a beach, a charge the group denied. Environmentalists photographed the cracked eggs. 

"We don't know who did it," said Edith van der Wal, secretary of the island's sea turtle foundation. "But all these years we never had any man-made destruction." 

She also stopped another search team member from riding over another nesting area on an all-terrain vehicle. 

"They don't do it intentionally, but they have no idea about our nature," she said. "There's a lot of reward money" - Holloway's family has offered $1-million - "It's like gold-digging." 

It's a gold mine for the cable shows, too. 

Ratings at CNN and Fox have soared since this story first broke, especially for the Fox show, On the Record with Greta Van Susteren, who is averaging more than 2-million viewers a night, up almost 60 percent from a year ago. 

Perhaps that explains why at the end of a slow news day last Wednesday, the nightly shows on Fox and CNN still managed to find something to discuss. The spokesmen for the two search groups revisited their continuing feud, but sought to downplay the animosity. 

"We feed them (the media) chum to keep them happy," said Jim Knox, a West Palm Beach businessman who is sponsoring a two-dog search team on the island. "We don't like doing it. We do it to keep the story alive." 

Not everyone in the media is grateful. 

Last week, Bob Costas declined to fill on Larry King Live because the show planned to cover the Holloway case. 

"I didn't think the subject matter of Thursday's show was the kind of broadcast I should be doing," Costas said in a statement. "I suggested some alternatives but the producers preferred the topics they had chosen." 

* * *  

The Holloway case caught authorities woefully unprepared. 

"They are the "Not ready for prime time island,"' said Matthew Felling of the Center for Media and Public Affairs in Washington, D.C. 

Felling, and other media watchdogs, say Aruba is a victim of a network fascination with missing white women as ideal fodder for 24-hour cable TV. 

"The networks realized that there is nothing more durable than the damsel-in-distress," he said, reciting a growing list of cases, going back to Chandra Levy, Elizabeth Smart and Laci Peterson. 

At first, Aruban authorities handled the Holloway case as they would any other. 

Like most European-based police and judicial systems, little public information was released. That smacked of a coverup in the minds of the U.S. media, which is used to a steady diet of tips from police and judicial sources. 

The government tried to counter that by staging a handful of press conferences. They explained Aruba's discreet judicial system. They explained that 20 percent of the 500-man police force was working the case. Behind the scenes, FBI and Dutch authorities were also involved, they said. 

But the damage was done. 

The Alabama legislature passed a resolution calling for a tourism boycott of Aruba. 

The family wrote a letter to Alabama Gov. Bob Riley rejecting the idea, saying it "could severely harm our relationship with the people of Aruba, who have done so much to assist us." 

On TV, the family strikes a different tone. 

"The level of ineptness, the level of omissions of things, blatantly orchestrated errors ... just was incredible," Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, told CBS last week. 

That kind of talk has exasperated many islanders. 

"They are giving Aruba a very bad name," said Juan Chabaya Lampe, 85, a beloved Aruban musician, painter and writer, who composed the country's national anthem in 1954. "The American media should apologize." 

Clearly, criticism wounded the nation's pride. 

After all, hadn't islanders leaped to help the Holloway family when news first broke of the disappearance? They treated them with the famous hospitality that entices 550,000 tourists every year, nearly three-quarters of them American. 

One of the first people Holloway's mother contacted when she arrived on the island was Renfro at Aruba Today . 

"Beth called and said, "I've lost my daughter, can you help me?"' said Renfro, 37. It was late and the paper was set. Renfro ordered printers to stop the presses, a first in the paper's history. 

"We are all mothers and have daughters and we all wanted to help them," said Angela Munzenhofer, a reporter at the paper. 

More than 200 local volunteers turned up the first day. They went house-to-house with fliers. They tied yellow ribbons on trees. When they ran out of yellow ribbons, they used white ones. 

They searched for 19 days. Government offices closed so workers could join the search. 

Staff at the paper grew close to the Holloways, arranging interviews with cable networks. They did the search teams' laundry. 

"Did we get a thank you for washing their clothes?" said Munzenhofer. "No, instead we got in trouble for mixing them up." 

What they saw reported on TV made the reporters even more uncomfortable. 

Suspects and witnesses were incorrectly portrayed, say the women. Holloway was described as the victim of sexual assault, though no evidence has confirmed that. The father of the main suspect was identified as a politically influential judge, when in fact he was still studying and had failed exams for the bench. The family lived in relative obscurity in a modest home. 

Media analysts continually speculated about van der Sloot's guilt, suggesting he was a difficult teen with behavioral problems. Van der Sloot has admitted to lying about some of the details of his last night with Holloway. But his school teachers deny any class problems. He graduated as an honor roll student and has several offers from U.S. universities. 

"CNN used to be held in high regard. Today we don't even consider them respectable media," said Aruba's government spokesman, Ruben Trapenburg. He said other broadcast networks, ABC, CBS and NBC, had been more fair. Among print media, he praised Associated Press for its balance. 

* * *  

Tired of the media coverage, many Arubans have already refocused on everyday life. School has restarted and national elections are scheduled Sept.23. Public finance and education are the main topics. With only two murders in the past year, crime is hardly a topic. 

"We are very open to American culture," Dilma Arends, another Aruba Today reporter, said, "but we are realizing that we are still a Dutch island." 

With the nightly talk shows enjoying high ratings every time the Holloway case is featured, there's no sign the TV crews intend to break camp. 

Prosecutors must decide by Sept.4 whether to charge van der Sloot or release him from custody. 

Even then it may not be over. The law allows a 30-day extension. 

 
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November 21, 2005, 7:25 pm PST

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An interesting read, and there are others.  The (worldwide) public claim to know how Arubans (re)acted to the Natalee case, but do they really?  How many people are merely relying on Dr Phil's or CNN's interpretation?  Before you make a decision on your reaction to this case, get more information. Are you making an informed decision or agreeing because a certain celebrity Dr. told you so?   

  

From paradise to paradox in Aruba At first, finding a missing American girl was paramount. Then the American media settled in, and attitudes have changed.

By DAVID ADAMS, Times Latin America Correspondent
Published August 22, 2005
 

  

ORANJESTAD, Aruba - Hurricanes almost never come this far south in the Caribbean. 

It's one of the many attractions that lure hundreds of thousands of tourists each year to the sunny, slow-paced island of Aruba. 

But, when an Alabama teen, Natalee Holloway, disappeared May 30, Arubans had no idea of the storm that was about to hit them. 

Within days of her disappearance packs of reporters - mostly cable TV producers and crews - descended on the unsuspecting island. They were soon followed by dozens of members of U.S.-based volunteer search groups. 

Audiences in the United States are used to the sight of media satellite trucks arrayed outside Los Angeles courthouses, high school shootings and even a Pinellas Park hospice. But tiny Aruba has never seen anything like it. Only 20 miles long and 6 miles across, with 97,000 inhabitants, it is less than one-third the size of Pinellas County, with one-tenth the population. 

At first the Americans were met with open arms by locals. They found them free hotel rooms and meals. They washed their clothes. Arubans are proud of the island's reputation for hospitality and a low crime rate. Auto license plates boast the slogan, "One Happy Island." 

But almost three months later patience with the media - and the Holloway family - is wearing thin. 

"We put out the welcome mat and we were trampled upon," said Julia Renfro, the U.S.-born editor of Aruba Today , a daily English-language newspaper that rallied island support for the family. "We all wanted to help, but we never thought this would become a case against Aruba." 

Arubans say they sympathize deeply with Holloway's family. But unbalanced and overblown coverage by the U.S. media has put TV ratings ahead of professional journalism, they complain. 

Criticism of Americans does not come easily to Arubans. U.S. consumer culture is everywhere to be seen in Aruba, from brand names such as Marriott to Taco Bell. But, as the story grinds on with no end in sight, Arubans are learning there are aspects of U.S. culture they could do without. 

* * *  

Most of what we know about the case was known in the first few days. 

Natalee Holloway vanished hours before she was to catch a return flight to Alabama at the end of a high school graduation trip. 

Authorities detained seven people in the case, but only Joran van der Sloot, the 18-year-old son of a Dutch trainee judge, remains in custody. Holloway was last seen leaving a bar with van der Sloot. 

Despite the lack of major developments, the Holloway story continues to receive prime-time coverage in the United States. 

So what are all these reporters doing? 

On Wednesday, cameramen and reporters staked out the courthouse for a closed-door hearing, hoping to catch a glimpse of van der Sloot entering and leaving in handcuffs. Lawyers were ambushed on the courthouse steps, but had little new to say. 

With networks paying as much as $1,500-a-day for freelance cameramen, $300 to $400 for hotel rooms for producers and crew, as well as $3,000 for satellite feeds, any tidbit will do. 

When a park ranger found a piece of duct tape with a strand of blond hair, it became major international news. Talk shows deemed it crucial evidence. The hair turned out to belong to a local wave-boarder out surfing. 

An arm found off the coast of Venezuela was treated with similar scrutiny. The dubious testimony of two supposed witnesses - a gardener and a homeless man - is endlessly debated. 

One witness led authorities to drain two salt ponds, disturbing a flock of nesting egrets. Journalists clambering for a view accidentally broke a water main, reflooding one pond. The day after the pipe was fixed, reporters broke it again. 

A Texas search group of mostly middle-aged men with large waistlines held a press conference to announce they would appreciate some free food. Another group from Florida accused the Texans of overindulging at local bars, and failing to do a professional job. 

A park ranger accused a Texas volunteer group of destroying a nest of endangered sea turtle eggs while searching on a beach, a charge the group denied. Environmentalists photographed the cracked eggs. 

"We don't know who did it," said Edith van der Wal, secretary of the island's sea turtle foundation. "But all these years we never had any man-made destruction." 

She also stopped another search team member from riding over another nesting area on an all-terrain vehicle. 

"They don't do it intentionally, but they have no idea about our nature," she said. "There's a lot of reward money" - Holloway's family has offered $1-million - "It's like gold-digging." 

It's a gold mine for the cable shows, too. 

Ratings at CNN and Fox have soared since this story first broke, especially for the Fox show, On the Record with Greta Van Susteren, who is averaging more than 2-million viewers a night, up almost 60 percent from a year ago. 

Perhaps that explains why at the end of a slow news day last Wednesday, the nightly shows on Fox and CNN still managed to find something to discuss. The spokesmen for the two search groups revisited their continuing feud, but sought to downplay the animosity. 

"We feed them (the media) chum to keep them happy," said Jim Knox, a West Palm Beach businessman who is sponsoring a two-dog search team on the island. "We don't like doing it. We do it to keep the story alive." 

Not everyone in the media is grateful. 

Last week, Bob Costas declined to fill on Larry King Live because the show planned to cover the Holloway case. 

"I didn't think the subject matter of Thursday's show was the kind of broadcast I should be doing," Costas said in a statement. "I suggested some alternatives but the producers preferred the topics they had chosen." 

* * *  

The Holloway case caught authorities woefully unprepared. 

"They are the "Not ready for prime time island,"' said Matthew Felling of the Center for Media and Public Affairs in Washington, D.C. 

Felling, and other media watchdogs, say Aruba is a victim of a network fascination with missing white women as ideal fodder for 24-hour cable TV. 

"The networks realized that there is nothing more durable than the damsel-in-distress," he said, reciting a growing list of cases, going back to Chandra Levy, Elizabeth Smart and Laci Peterson. 

At first, Aruban authorities handled the Holloway case as they would any other. 

Like most European-based police and judicial systems, little public information was released. That smacked of a coverup in the minds of the U.S. media, which is used to a steady diet of tips from police and judicial sources. 

The government tried to counter that by staging a handful of press conferences. They explained Aruba's discreet judicial system. They explained that 20 percent of the 500-man police force was working the case. Behind the scenes, FBI and Dutch authorities were also involved, they said. 

But the damage was done. 

The Alabama legislature passed a resolution calling for a tourism boycott of Aruba. 

The family wrote a letter to Alabama Gov. Bob Riley rejecting the idea, saying it "could severely harm our relationship with the people of Aruba, who have done so much to assist us." 

On TV, the family strikes a different tone. 

"The level of ineptness, the level of omissions of things, blatantly orchestrated errors ... just was incredible," Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, told CBS last week. 

That kind of talk has exasperated many islanders. 

"They are giving Aruba a very bad name," said Juan Chabaya Lampe, 85, a beloved Aruban musician, painter and writer, who composed the country's national anthem in 1954. "The American media should apologize." 

Clearly, criticism wounded the nation's pride. 

After all, hadn't islanders leaped to help the Holloway family when news first broke of the disappearance? They treated them with the famous hospitality that entices 550,000 tourists every year, nearly three-quarters of them American. 

One of the first people Holloway's mother contacted when she arrived on the island was Renfro at Aruba Today . 

"Beth called and said, "I've lost my daughter, can you help me?"' said Renfro, 37. It was late and the paper was set. Renfro ordered printers to stop the presses, a first in the paper's history. 

"We are all mothers and have daughters and we all wanted to help them," said Angela Munzenhofer, a reporter at the paper. 

More than 200 local volunteers turned up the first day. They went house-to-house with fliers. They tied yellow ribbons on trees. When they ran out of yellow ribbons, they used white ones. 

They searched for 19 days. Government offices closed so workers could join the search. 

Staff at the paper grew close to the Holloways, arranging interviews with cable networks. They did the search teams' laundry. 

"Did we get a thank you for washing their clothes?" said Munzenhofer. "No, instead we got in trouble for mixing them up." 

What they saw reported on TV made the reporters even more uncomfortable. 

Suspects and witnesses were incorrectly portrayed, say the women. Holloway was described as the victim of sexual assault, though no evidence has confirmed that. The father of the main suspect was identified as a politically influential judge, when in fact he was still studying and had failed exams for the bench. The family lived in relative obscurity in a modest home. 

Media analysts continually speculated about van der Sloot's guilt, suggesting he was a difficult teen with behavioral problems. Van der Sloot has admitted to lying about some of the details of his last night with Holloway. But his school teachers deny any class problems. He graduated as an honor roll student and has several offers from U.S. universities. 

"CNN used to be held in high regard. Today we don't even consider them respectable media," said Aruba's government spokesman, Ruben Trapenburg. He said other broadcast networks, ABC, CBS and NBC, had been more fair. Among print media, he praised Associated Press for its balance. 

* * *  

Tired of the media coverage, many Arubans have already refocused on everyday life. School has restarted and national elections are scheduled Sept.23. Public finance and education are the main topics. With only two murders in the past year, crime is hardly a topic. 

"We are very open to American culture," Dilma Arends, another Aruba Today reporter, said, "but we are realizing that we are still a Dutch island." 

With the nightly talk shows enjoying high ratings every time the Holloway case is featured, there's no sign the TV crews intend to break camp. 

Prosecutors must decide by Sept.4 whether to charge van der Sloot or release him from custody. 

Even then it may not be over. The law allows a 30-day extension. 

 Thank you for this attempt to balance the information provided to USA.  I hope all those who really are  seekling justice will keep an open mind.  As I have said on many occasions, this is a time to pull together.  Co-operation is more easily garmered  in an atmosphere of  respect not  hostility and confrontation.
 
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November 21, 2005, 7:39 pm PST

Never underestimate the power of prayer

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It seems that the Vandersloots and Kalpoe's know something and have a strong motivation for not talking.  I have wondered if possibly Vandersloots family was operating under a threat on their lives.  It had crossed my mind that a possible scenario could be that Joren had recieved money for delivering Natalee into the hands of traffickers and knows his family would be killed if he talks. 

  

The only hope we have is for God to intervene.  If Natalee is alive.  Pray for God to place his angels around her and lead her safely back home.  What a testimony of His Glory  this would be!!  

 I support you 100% in this plea.  God can work many miracles and sheds light in even the darkest of situations.  can you think of the power of that prayer if we all joined in, instead of this useless bickering where egos are involved taking us far away from the original situation.

 
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November 21, 2005, 8:04 pm PST

Something more appalling...

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I saw a recent post from a Canadian citizen who said she would not boycott Aruba.  I had planned to celebrate my 50th birthday there and take as many of my girlfriends with me as would go.  Not now.  The point is, yes, there is crime everywhere, but as for me, I will travel where I know that if something unsavory should happen to me or one of my travel-mates, my family will be welcome to come and ask questions and not fear for their own safety for doing so.  It is pretty clear that the Aruban government officials know something and they are not willing to come forth with the truth.  The fact that the last persons to have seen Natalie alive are simply allowed to walk free is appalling.  There may not be actual safety anywhere, but why visit where you now KNOW that there will be no answers?  Travel where there is a government with a proven record that will protect the victim travelers and/or accomodate the families of victims.  Stay out of Aruba until you know the government has provided answers they are now hiding from the public. 

That same person allowed to go free, was also allowed to leave the island, to attend a Dutch College, where he is far from interviewers. But wait, the Arabian government does not allow these interviews to air, as he has all these rights.  

  

I guess it helps to be the son of a very wealthy Judge, and then everything is possible. 

  

I too just canceled a family vacation there, for July, we are going to Hawaii instead.  I have an 18 year old daughter, and I would not think of putting her in harms way. 

  

Thank you for your post. 

 
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November 21, 2005, 8:09 pm PST

You are so right...

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Interesting isn't it how the murder in Belize didn't turn into an international incident. Could it be because the Belize officials didn't futz, diddle and fumble around? They caught the guy within 24 hours, arrested him and formally charged him 4 days later. See what ugliness can be avoided when officials actually do their job? 

  

I am not picking on the Aruban people, only their incompetent/andor corrupt officials. The honest, hard-working people of a country are often a very far cry from the behavior of their government. 

You just forgot one thing. The young man, main suspect here, is actually very well connected. Don't believe the person in Belize was the son of a very prominent Judge.  That makes a world of difference, it is not what you know, it is who you know, and in Aruba judges have a huge amount of of pull. 

  

I can not wait for a follow up program from Dr. Phil, I am actually buying the one I missed. 

  

  

 
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November 21, 2005, 8:26 pm PST

Please, by all means, show me the way then!

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It's amazing what outdated information a google search will get you. 

Ok, show me where there is a mistake in my post.  Or better yet, show me what parts of this post are incorrect. The only link that was outdated was the first one. 

Here is a link that poses the same information. And it's dated 22 November 2005. 

http://www.interpol.int/Public/Children/SexualAbuse/NationalLaws/csaCanada.asp 

  

The last one was to show the poster I was responding to that her (I'm assuming the poster is female) that her military is not as innocent as I feel she was trying to claim.  So please, enlighten me. 

  

 
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November 21, 2005, 8:45 pm PST

Thank you for the corrected Judge Status.

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Joran's father,  Paulus van der Sloot was a judge in training who was studying to be a full-time judge in Aruba; he had (apparently prior to the Holloway incident) been terminated from the Dutch judge-in-training program, but still retains his license to practice law and continues to receive a government salary.   He still has a better knowledge of the laws there. Enough so to tell his son and the Kalpoe brothers "No body, no crime". 

  

Of course the Aruban have a right to their side of the story. But why is it that none of them are asking for better police work to be done?   It seems to most people that it would not only serve the Holloway and Twitty family, but the citizens of Aruba to have a more competent police force.  The citizens all seem happy to boast about the low crime rate, and that's great. But in the same breath, one would think that they would want the police to be so aggressive towards and crime, especially one like this that looks as if it ended in rape (the boys on separate instances have confessed to having sex with her, whether it was consensual is also up for debate. Fact is there is no body. Leading to the fact there was a murder and a crime was indeed committed) and murder. Wouldn't the citizens rise up so this doesn't happen again to a Aruban women or a visitor? 

When he was quoted to have told his son and his co-conspirutor, "No Body, No Murder Charge", CNN refered to him as Judge Van De Sloot. It is a very interesting fact that he was a judge in training, and was terminated, wonder if we can find out exactly when he was terminated. 

  

If it was indeed before the daisapearance of Natalee, then no eyebrows are raised here, but if it was shortly after the arrest of his son, then it might be the government again trying to put distance between themselves and the Judge )or Judge in Training).  Do you see where I am comming from.  Please refer to CNN report where Van de Sloot is clearly still referred to as a jurist.   ARUBAN JUDGE IS QUESTIONED IN MISSING TEEN CASE  http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/18/missing.teen/   Did CNN make an awefull mistak?   

  

I found another item that refers to Paul Van De Sloot as a judge in training, but no mention that he was discharge frrom the program prior to Natalee's disappearnce.  "Paul van der Sloot (search), a judge-in-training on the island, was questioned for two hours Sunday afternoon after five hours Saturday night, said Police Superintendent Jan van der Straaten."  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160063,00.html 

  

The investigation has been blocked so many times, that it makes me very unconfortable, and worried to ever get the desire to visit Aruba again.  Thank you for your post.  

 
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November 21, 2005, 9:07 pm PST

Boycotting ARUBA, already doing GOOD!

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I am a 19 year old female, and I'm not saying that any of this is natalee's fault, but being an adult and traveling to another country...you think you would act like an adult.  I do not want to belittle the situation whatsoever, and my thoughts do go out to her family, but maybe if she had not gone with these boys none of this would have happened.  And to boycott a whole country based on a few (2)cases of missing girls is just ridiculous.  I live in a small city in  Wisconsin and there's not much crime here.  But with even that said, I say not much crime, but last year we had three murders, a few drive by shootings, and a young boy attacked and raped a grown woman.  Isn't it insane that I say we don't have much crime, yet in my little city we have more crime against americans than a whole country.  Maybe I'm just living in the wrong part of the country, but I hear of SO much more violence and crime throughout the US.  I cannot imagine boycotting Aruba doing any good.  If we were to boycott Aruba due to having an unsolved missing persons case, shouldn't we boycott everywhere there is an unsolved (american) missing persons case?  I mean that would be the only fair thing to do, right?  And if we were to do that, where would that leave us? Well, let me tell you where...We would all be stuck inside of our houses, unable to leave.  We, as a country, are a lot worse off the Aruba.  They should be boycotting us, not allowing americans into their country.  Unfortunatly they cannot afford to do that.  I fell horrible for the way Aruba is being treated.  To punish a whole country for a few people's bad behavior is just unbelievable to me.  I cannot at all even begin to see where you are all coming from saying we should boycott Aruba.  Maybe I'm just a little more sensible than most people, I don't really know.

I am not in full support of boycotting Aruba, simply because they cannot solve a missing person's case, I am in FULL SUPPORT of the BOYCOTT, because I STRONGLY feel the Aruban government is obstructing justice. Protecting the son and possible their own at the time Judge in Training.  

  

Many clues have surfaced, and have been silenced. Many leads have gone uninvestigated because of fairness to the Van d' Slooots, is that being fair to Natalee, or to any other tourist that may be lost under very mysterious circumstances. 

  

The fact that Natalee was only 18, does not matter. To be a kidnapped victim you could be any age. Male or female, just that a cute blond, energetic, and young perhaps is more of a target.   

  

So please don't think of us as a lynch mob, just because we want Justice to Prevail, not the Judge in Training to get his son off scott free, but then again hasn't he done this already? 

 
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November 21, 2005, 9:13 pm PST

My feelings exactly.

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I support the boycott, while at the same time feeling sorry for people like you that are being hurt by it.  The people that have have been most hurt thought is Natalee, her family and her friends.  I think with a high degree of confidence that Natalee is alive and possible the sex trade and another scenario that I am investigating.  I can say though with confidence Natalee did not disappear of her own free will nor is her family involved. 

  

Now here is my question.  Are you proud of the way in which the Aruba government has handled this investigation?  Are you proud of the way Dompig and Janssen have treated Natalee's family?  What do you suggest the family do to bring pressure to the government of Aruba? 

  

I think a good place to start would be for the people of Aruba not to protest Beth or the media, but to protest the Aruba government.  Demand the FBI, Holland and others from outside of Aruba take over the investigation.  Aruba's government brought this on and only the can end it; although the damage will last for a long time now.   

  

  

The good old boys' cover up needs to end here.  For the sake of all the innocent citizen's of Aruba, they need to come clean with what they know, or allow the other agencies to come clean up their house for them.  

  

I think they terminated the Judge's in Training program for Van D' Sloot, anticipating the fall out, or making him the fall guy. We shall soon see. The Boycott is just starting to get the secretary of tourism of ARUBA worried, hopefully it will trickle up. 

 
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November 21, 2005, 9:22 pm PST

Wasn't going there :-|

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You just forgot one thing. The young man, main suspect here, is actually very well connected. Don't believe the person in Belize was the son of a very prominent Judge.  That makes a world of difference, it is not what you know, it is who you know, and in Aruba judges have a huge amount of of pull. 

  

I can not wait for a follow up program from Dr. Phil, I am actually buying the one I missed. 

  

  

There already seems to be enough hate'n going on and my behind is still scorched from the last bonfire I threw myself into, I believe I'll go find a soft pillow now...... 

  

Pssst- you wrote "Arabian" in the post just prior to this one, finger farts I get them all the time :-) 

  

Interesting thing with the Belize killer, he was formally charged the same day Dr Phil's show ran, you gotta think the Natalee backlash ran through a least a couple of the Belize officials thoughts.... 

 
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