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(Original Air Date: 11/21/06) Do you have a secret that burns inside of you and you've been hanging onto it since you were a child? Dr. Phil speaks with three sisters whose lives and relationships have been gravely affected by their own childhood secret. Cathy and Micki say their stepfather abused them as children and they want nothing to do with him. But their half-sister, Hollie, says her father has changed and it's time they forgive and forget. Cathy and Micki speak out about what really happened to them as children and why Hollie needs to be concerned. Then, a message from their stepfather has Cathy and Micki outraged. Can these divided women heal their painful pasts and come together as sisters? Talk about the show here.


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November 21, 2005, 9:59 am PST

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I'm fairly new to this thing.  I've read lots of people's messages and stuff but have never posted before.  I was sexually molested by my brother when I was 8 years old.  I'm now 38 years old and have been in therapy for 2 years now.  I repressed most of my stuff for 30 years.  It was devastating when it finally came out.  My family does not know and I'd like to keep it that way.  I'm not defending my brother for what he did but I think it was a teenage thing at the time and I definitely am angry with him but I don't want to mess up the family by bringing it all out.  I just need to forgive myself and that's it and not worry about the rest.  I've also had trouble in my marriage because I've had lots of sexual problems because of the abuse.  I am very asexual I think but my husband isn't very understanding of what I've been through or am going through.  I do the best I can.  I've come a long way.  I've been suicidal in the past.  My 2 year old daughter at the time saved me because she wouldn't leave me alone.  She stuck by me no matter what so I couldn't do anything.  I've taken lots of prescription pills, Tylenol, Advil, you name it and lots of drinking and I've been slicing my arms repeatedly over the past 2 years but I'm on the mend.  I haven't done anything for going on 4 weeks and I have no intention of starting back up again.  I just need to rewrite the story in my head and remind myself that it wasn't my fault and that I don't have to pay anymore for what my brother did to me. 

I know how devestating this is, to have these memories come up later in your life, because the same thing happened to me. I never knew or suspected I was abused, until my father passed away, and the memories started to flood my mind. 

You say that you have been in therepy for 2 years now, but if you are still trying to commit suicide and/or trying to hurt yourself, then your therepy isn't being effective enough! Maybe you and your therepist don't "click" comfortably? Do you feel comfortable enough to tell this person anything and everything, to be totally honest? If not, I encourage you to seek a different therepist. For me, I went through a handfull of therepists before I found the "right" one.. its not easy!! But it is so important. You are worth it!! You deserve to find peace. You deserve to experience true joy in life. There is NO NEED to forgive yourself, hon. What did you do? You didn't ask to be taken advantage of. You didn't know how to protect yourself at such a young age, and you didn't know what to do. With professional guidance, you can heal and move forward towards a happy and healthy life, please know that is the truth! If I could do it, I feel that anyone can- because I remember those feelings of being distraught and alone, but I have healed. I will never forgive or forget, but I have healed. You can heal. Love yourself starting NOW. I wish you the best!!! 

 
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November 21, 2005, 10:00 am PST

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I hope Hollie gets her daughter to a doctor and checked out for sexual abuse.  I think that should be her first step.  Then she should never allow her daughter to go to her grandfather's again, ever.  It is inexcusable.  Hollie knows what her dad did, she's in denial.  Doesn't want to believe it, wants to think her dad is still a good guy.  And that is understandable to a point, but when the safety of her daughter is in question, she really should reevaluate what she is doing, and letting happen.  I have no doubt that her daughter has been hurt by him.  Get her to a doctor NOW!!! 

  

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November 21, 2005, 10:02 am PST

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I'm fairly new to this thing.  I've read lots of people's messages and stuff but have never posted before.  I was sexually molested by my brother when I was 8 years old.  I'm now 38 years old and have been in therapy for 2 years now.  I repressed most of my stuff for 30 years.  It was devastating when it finally came out.  My family does not know and I'd like to keep it that way.  I'm not defending my brother for what he did but I think it was a teenage thing at the time and I definitely am angry with him but I don't want to mess up the family by bringing it all out.  I just need to forgive myself and that's it and not worry about the rest.  I've also had trouble in my marriage because I've had lots of sexual problems because of the abuse.  I am very asexual I think but my husband isn't very understanding of what I've been through or am going through.  I do the best I can.  I've come a long way.  I've been suicidal in the past.  My 2 year old daughter at the time saved me because she wouldn't leave me alone.  She stuck by me no matter what so I couldn't do anything.  I've taken lots of prescription pills, Tylenol, Advil, you name it and lots of drinking and I've been slicing my arms repeatedly over the past 2 years but I'm on the mend.  I haven't done anything for going on 4 weeks and I have no intention of starting back up again.  I just need to rewrite the story in my head and remind myself that it wasn't my fault and that I don't have to pay anymore for what my brother did to me. 

I know how devestating this is, to have these memories come up later in your life, because the same thing happened to me. I never knew or suspected I was abused, until my father passed away, and the memories started to flood my mind. 

You say that you have been in therepy for 2 years now, but if you are still trying to commit suicide and/or trying to hurt yourself, then your therepy isn't being effective enough! Maybe you and your therepist don't "click" comfortably? Do you feel comfortable enough to tell this person anything and everything, to be totally honest? If not, I encourage you to seek a different therepist. For me, I went through a handfull of therepists before I found the "right" one.. its not easy!! But it is so important. You are worth it!! You deserve to find peace. You deserve to experience true joy in life. There is NO NEED to forgive yourself, hon. What did you do? You didn't ask to be taken advantage of. You didn't know how to protect yourself at such a young age, and you didn't know what to do. With professional guidance, you can heal and move forward towards a happy and healthy life, please know that is the truth! If I could do it, I feel that anyone can- because I remember those feelings of being distraught and alone, but I have healed. I will never forgive or forget, but I have healed. You can heal. Love yourself starting NOW. I wish you the best!!! 

 

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November 21, 2005, 10:14 am PST

abused and told

I too was a child of molestation. the whole family was.. but nobody listened, Shhhhh it was the family secret. I went my whole life. nobody helping. it was horrible and devistating.   

       I then grew up. kept my children informed, the no touch places. kept my children away from the people who molested.. thought I did everything right.. Then as my daughter grew older, I noticed something strange.. I knew there was something wrong,, Honey, my thoughts were you can touch me,, but don't touch my child.. so I took my daughter to a abuse shelter to get help. and yes come to find out, it was my half brother who molested my daughter for years and years.. I told the family, do you think they stood by us..no way, we were banned from the family. we were the bad ones. We dared proscute him, but he only got a slap on his hand.. but we have endured years of being ignored by my family.  

         oh and get this,,the guy, wants to .. today,, get his record espunged.. cause he has a hard time getting and holding a job. He has NO idea the hell my daughter lives with even though it has been years since this happened...  

         then to find out years later.. it is not just a girl thing,, my son also was molested by my nephew.. it has devistated my family. I feel such betrayal. my children, abused by trusted family members.. yet we are the outcasts.. I don't get it.  

          Years and years of therapy. have helped. but the guilt. and the memories.. I thought I had it in the bag.. figured I was overprotective of my children,, come to find out,, it wasn't enough..I had the mind set,,nobody helped me.. nobody listened to what happened to me,,,,  

I don't see how someone could not listen to there children. I don't see how anyone could allow someone to  harm there own child.. I am 48 and have horriable memories yet today. I feel proud that I helped my children, but it is still never enough, cause I know the hell my children have to endure the rest of there lives..  

        Dr Phil. thank you for giving these young ladies a place to vent. a place to feel important. cause noone,, absoultly no one, has the right to touch anyone like this.... and now at least one family have hope..  

 
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November 21, 2005, 10:16 am PST

My secret

  

I remember a few times that my sister would make me do things to her.  I was 6 to 7 when it happened, and I remember hating it.  We had to share a bed and a room.  She is about 5 years older than me, so she knew what she was doing.  I only told my younger sister, and only just last year.  It was hard, I never really knew what to think of it, we always had a strained relationship as I got older.  And now that I am, I have tried to be a good sister to her.  But I always feel akward around her, and I know I don't act like myself.   

Last year I asked her why...and she said that I would ask her to.  I never did that at all.  I would say in a small scared voice if I had to get naked that night.  And I guess she took that to mean that I wanted to.  ARG, I feel dirty even talking about it.  It does make me wonder what happened to her, if she was doing that sort of thing, then someone must have abused her as a child too.  

  

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November 21, 2005, 10:38 am PST

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You know its so much harder on the guys...they have so much harder of a time expressing their feelings..they don't know how to put them into words like we do ya know? He really needs to keep getting the therapy,as much as he can and he really needs to want it to work. H really really needs to stop drinking alltogether..sorry to say. I am a recovering alcoholic and i know what i'm talking about. I drank for all the wrong reasons and 1 of them was because of my brother's sexual abuse. I didn't know it for yrs why and when i realized why i was i did it more to cover the pain. You know thats why he's drinking so much till he's drunk. and then the fights start. i don't know if AA will help or not but he's got to know that his drinking is just a cover for his pain of the abuse. Please concider marriage before he recovers from this. I know that may sound harsh...but i'm seperated from my husband now because of his drinking and mine and his backround of abuse.

Thank you for you respond. My boyfriend and I have talked about marriage and I made it clear to him that we wont take that next step until he gets help because I want us to have a healthy marriage and he has agreed to that, and also if we have kids he says he doesn't want our kids to have to suffer for it.  

I sometimes feel pressured because he says that I'm the only one he feels safe around.  I just wish I could find him one of those good therapist that Dr. Phil, and Operah have for their guest on the show. Hopefully Dr. Phil will post some names and #'s on his website after today's show. I wont be able to watch the show today, and I really wanted to watch it, but it anyone does, please send me any information I can use, #'s, names or links. 

  

 
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November 21, 2005, 10:46 am PST

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You know its so much harder on the guys...they have so much harder of a time expressing their feelings..they don't know how to put them into words like we do ya know? He really needs to keep getting the therapy,as much as he can and he really needs to want it to work. H really really needs to stop drinking alltogether..sorry to say. I am a recovering alcoholic and i know what i'm talking about. I drank for all the wrong reasons and 1 of them was because of my brother's sexual abuse. I didn't know it for yrs why and when i realized why i was i did it more to cover the pain. You know thats why he's drinking so much till he's drunk. and then the fights start. i don't know if AA will help or not but he's got to know that his drinking is just a cover for his pain of the abuse. Please concider marriage before he recovers from this. I know that may sound harsh...but i'm seperated from my husband now because of his drinking and mine and his backround of abuse.

Thank you for you respond. My boyfriend and I have talked about marriage and I made it clear to him that we wont take that next step until he gets help because I want us to have a healthy marriage and he has agreed to that, and also if we have kids he says he doesn't want our kids to have to suffer for it. He's been through AA already once, but I agree with you, he has to be ready and really want the help, and want to help himself first before anyone can help him. He just doesn't see it that way. 

I know it's harder on guys to express their feelings. Sometimes we watch TV and something about sex offenders comes on TV like a show or a case on TV and he's find about sharing his thought about that particular show or case but if I ask suddenly ask him about when he went through it, he automatically shuts down and tells me he doesn't want to talk about it and gets all upset, and when he does get around to talk about it to me I don't know what to say or I don't say enough and he feels like I don't believe him or I don't want to listen to his story.  

What is it people that go through this want to hear??? 

I sometimes feel pressured because he says that I'm the only one he feels safe around.  I just wish I could find him one of those good therapist that Dr. Phil, and Operah have for their guest on the show. Hopefully Dr. Phil will post some names and #'s on his website after today's show. I wont be able to watch the show today, and I really wanted to watch it, but if anyone does, please send me any information I can use, #'s, names or links. 

  

 
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November 21, 2005, 10:49 am PST

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What a horrible story. I am glad these girls have the courage to bring this out on TV.  

  

I believe that as kids, we all grow up in different families. If you ask my brother about our childhood it is much different than how I would describe it. There are similarities but it is clear that we each had our own experiences that  shaped our individual views of the family dynamic.  

  

With that said, I think these two sisters really have their 1/2 sister's best interest at heart - i think they are concerned that their sister too was a victim and that she has repressed the experience. I think the way they go about trying to help their sister is instead imposing their experiences on her. Whether or not this dad did anything to their sister remains to be seen though I suspect he did. it sounds like he does have her convinced that he is a good person when he clearly is not. That is for her to figure out on her own and she has a support system if she needs it. I think what upsets these young sisters is that they don't feel like their half sister appreciates the pain they have experienced and that she associates with the person that caused her the pain.  

  

The message from this horrible man gave me the creeps. I could never leave my kids with someone that thought it was okay to do any of what he did to those girls.  

  

What role did the mom play in all of this? Does she know, believe them?  

  

 
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November 21, 2005, 11:06 am PST

Message to Hollie!

 I am a victim of sexual abuse and am very careful who I leave my daughters with. I think Hollie should think very carefully about who she leaves her daughter with. People who say that they just touched their butts and think that is not a serious thing then they should think again. He has probably never stopped to think of the damage that he has done to his daughters. How long it takes to get over something like this. I am 43 years old and still not over the abuse that my uncle did to me when I was 8 yrs old. 

Please Hollie, please don't leave your daughter with your father to take care of and leave her overnight, he is probably waiting for the time for her to reach a certain age that he can start on her and not just touch her butt but something more. 

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November 21, 2005, 11:06 am PST

MOLESTERS OF ANY KIND

 .......NEED TO BE CHARGED AND TRIED TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW.
I have seen the devestating results of sexual abuse.  While in school, many years ago I boarded with a girl who was repeatedly raped, first by her grandfather , then by her stepfather- since a young age.  When she was 14 she finally broke and told her mother who then turned on HER and accused her of trying to steal her husband.  A kind soul pulled her out of that abusive situation and put her up at a boarding house ran by caring people.  Three years after leaving her abusive home she still suffered greatly and undoubtebly still does.  She tried many,many times , well over 15 , to take her own life.  In all her issues her greatest  was that her little sister still resided with her abusers. She worried about her constantly, and was on a mission to get her out of there. No one believed her and her mother called her a whore.  Authorities refused to step in since the mother said it was all in her head. Her suffering affected everyone including her roommates.  We lived with her through many of her suicide attempts.  It was awful.  I hope  and pray to God that this beautiful , intelligent and caring young lady has made her way in life or at least made it....
 
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