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Falling in love is easy. Falling in love with your new spouse's kids is not so easy. Actor Dennis Quaid, co-star of the new movie "Yours, Mine & Ours," joins Dr. Phil. He talks about how being a dad helped him prepare for his role as a man dealing with the difficulties of blending a family. Then, Juli says her stepdaughter, Samantha, makes her feel like the other woman. Her husband, Mark, says that Samantha is his best friend. Will Juli's jealousy tear their new family apart? Then, they have two dogs, two cats, four fish and six kids. Meet two parents blending their chaotic family under one very small roof.  Join the discussion.

 

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November 22, 2005, 3:06 pm PST

This hits home

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I'm posting this for all the step moms who feel like the "other women" because their husband's relationship with their daughter.  Please be a little understanding of the daughter's position.   

I haven't seen the show yet, but the situation between Mark, Juli and his daughter Samantha seemed so similar ours when I was 12 that I had to write.   

  

A father who becomes so close to his daughter that he treats her as his companion instead of his child, is doing damage to the daughter.  He is taking away her role as daughter and his role as a father and changing their relationship into something else.  From what I've seen in others and from what I feel about my past relationship with my father, the father is creating this "close" relationship not because he loves the daughter so much, but because he's lonely.  He is using the daughter to fill the place that the adult women should fill.  The step mom or girl friend should be the father's confidant, late night companion and the person to share private jokes with, not the daughter.   

  

The daughter, most likely, loves the extra attention and the privileged position she is given.  What kid wouldn't?  A divorce can be a very lonely, painful, confusing experience for a child.  Where you once had a whole family, now it is broken.  You are often left feeling vulnerable and somehow "less" than before.  If your father offers you a relationship appears to  fills that void, you take it. 

  

Of course, this causes problems for any women who enters the picture ( it often causes problems for the daughter's future relationships with men but that's a different story).  The father already has a "significant other"; his daughter. 

  

I'm certainly not saying that all fathers who are close to their daughters are crossing the line.  I think that most fathers respect their daughters and treat them as daughters should be treated, not like companions, but like their children.  I just remember how it often was when my father dated other women.  My father treated me as an adult companion.  He talked to me about adult subjects, took me to adult movies,  let me stay up till when ever I wanted to.  When other women entered the picture, they, in a way, viewed me as another women.  I can't tell you how creepy this feels to the girl in that situation, even though the reason it feels creepy, is something you can't put a finger on at that age.  

  

So, I guess what I want to say is, if you are a women in this situation, please do not think of the daughter as another women you have to compete with.  She is a child who needs her father to set rules, guide her, and hopefully establish a healthy relationship with an adult women so she can have a good example of a relationship when she becomes an adult and seeks a companion of her own. 

  

  

  

This is exactly what the relationship with my ex-fiancee had with his daughter. It was a {I am boss in this house and you are invading my territory}. I can understand her being hurt and feeling like her world had crumbled because her dad found someone. BUT she was 17 now 18 and my 2 kids ages 15 and 18 at the time had no problem with him. They loved him and showed him respect. I guess it is how they were raised compared to how she was raised being the only child. I guess I feel if she really LOVED her dad she would have tried to blend in with us instead of doing evil hurtful things to her dad. That is not love. You can be hurt by someone or mad at someone and still  not have to do something purposefully to them to hurt their spirit. I am thankful that my kids were never like her. I care about peoples feelings and so do my kids. When she NEVER gets her dad a Xmas, Birthday or Fathers day gift only a card then always make the same EXCUSE, Sorry I didn't get you anything. How he must of felt. I have been divorced for almost 3 years and I have NEVER denied my kids of spending MY money so they could get their dad a gift and he would do the same for the kids. That is love for your kids. His daughter has a job, she has a car, she could come over anytime she wanted but never did, even if I was at work. That in not love.  Kids can be cruel and mean even if they got everything that they wanted in life. His mistake was giving her it so she would love him. He knows that now. We have been apart for 3 weeks now. I moved out and his daughter still don't come around. I knew she wouldn't. She doesn't want to see her dad happy, she wants to see him depressed and unhappy because all he wanted to do was find someone {me} to spend time with him and love him. Now that is no longer either. How lonely he must be feeling. Kids don't live with you forever. Everyone deserves a bit of happiness in life.
 
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November 22, 2005, 3:11 pm PST

11/22 "Yours, Mine & Ours”

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I sure hope you get some responses to this. My ex is a huge problem constantly turning the kids against us (also despite her having a live-in guy). The kids are not as respectful as I would like them to be, but I am not sure they ever will be. So how do we get through this together as a couple?  

  

I will provide this advice: stop rewarding bad behavior. If you are doing nice things for the ex and for the kids and they continue to treat you badly then you are rewarding their bad behavior. Stop it! And let the kids know exactly why your attitude has changed. Let them know they get your support and help when they treat you with respect and not until. 

Alot of the time the problem is the parents and how they talk bad about each other. The child feels they have to take sides. I everyone would just get along for the childs sake. Its not their place to judge what goes on at the other ones house unless the child is in danger.
 
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November 22, 2005, 3:14 pm PST

11/22 "Yours, Mine & Ours”

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HI 

I haven't read all of your posts but I did want to share with you my situation. I am a step mother of a very loving, outgoing, best seven year old boy you could imagine. Part of our closeness was because I've been in his life since he was 2 1/2. So he didn't grow up dispising me or wondering why I came into his life and now his mother is gone or I wasn't taking anyones place and I still am not trying to take his mom's place. The hard thing is, is balancing him between her and her new life and her other children she had with other men. I know that it's hard for him to understand why they got divorced in the first place, but how do you make it better for him in the long haul? I don't know what to do, he struggles in school, he tells his friends he goes and see's friends he sometimes cries I am at a complete loss. Any help or advise is greatly appreciated. There is more to the story but I just ran out of room. :0) 

Well I wish you all the luck I have raised my stepson since he was 2 at 9 he decided to turn on me. He is very dispectful and selfish. He is punished for it but he doesnt care. He has never seen his mom, I am the only mom he has ever had.
 

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November 22, 2005, 3:14 pm PST

I'm happy for them, They sound like a nice family.

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Reference the last family on today's show -- two and a half baths and three bedrooms for eight people?  Should every family in America in such a "horrible" situation expect Dr. Phil and his supporters to "fix" it.  Why this attitude of entitlement?  What about the families who have even worse living conditions?  What about the families in America with no home?  What makes this blended family so special?   

  

To look at it another way, generations of families were reared in more crowded conditions and (horrors) NO indoor plumbing.  Most of the children growing up in that time and situation became responsible and productive adults.  Maybe they learned to respect and help one another, instead of it being all about me..me..me.  

I'm happy for them. They sound like a nice family.   

  

Who cares if my parents had to walk 10 miles in 60 below weather with mile high snow drifts to get to school each day.   

  

They seems very grateful for the gifts they received.   

  

  

 
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November 22, 2005, 3:25 pm PST

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I am going to celebrate my 3rd anniversary this year.  My husband and I have 10 kids.  He has custody of his 6 and I have 4.  I won't lie, it was a tough 2 year process to get our act together, and there is always room for improvement and growth but we feel like we are victorious.  Our kids get along together great.  The two oldest are now out of the house.  They are 21 and 20.  The 20 year old lives in the apartment behind our house with our 1 year old grandson.  We have 8 kids left.  We have a system and we are both strict but not too much so.  The kids know the rules and they know the consequences.  The three youngest boys are the only discipline problem and that is just because they fight. They are all blood brothers..... 

  

I feel like I have been through the battle and I could really help someone who is at the end of their rope...... 

  

  

 
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November 22, 2005, 3:28 pm PST

Divorced parents need to stop acting out of guilt!

I see this a lot. The divorced parent, whether they have custody or not, feels so guilty for the child not having an intact family that they spoil these kids rotten! Then when they remarry, the kid wants no part of it. The first family, the child MEANT It when she said "I am not a child anymore" She feels like a grownup because her dad has always treated her like one. She wanted a trip to Hawaii because her step-mother got one! Whether the dad gave in to her there I don'ot know. But, kids like this who have no boundaries are the ones who most frequently end up pregant as teens, taking drugs and being in abusive relationships.  

  

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November 22, 2005, 3:38 pm PST

Because you want to focus on your kids!

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No one needs a man in their life, I agree with that. But why intentionally stop looking. There are good men out there. 

  

My husband had 6 stepfathers and he has had to learn on his own to be a good father, he didnt have anyone to learn from. 

  

So I see both sides. 

If you have to work full time to support your kids plus raise them on your own, looking for Mr Right does not take priority when getting the laundry each week probably evades you. 

  

I would rather spend a quiet evening playing board games with my kids then chasing a more complicated life. 

  

  

 
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November 22, 2005, 3:44 pm PST

11/22 "Yours, Mine & Ours”

Quote From: grandboo

Reference the last family on today's show -- two and a half baths and three bedrooms for eight people?  Should every family in America in such a "horrible" situation expect Dr. Phil and his supporters to "fix" it.  Why this attitude of entitlement?  What about the families who have even worse living conditions?  What about the families in America with no home?  What makes this blended family so special?   

  

To look at it another way, generations of families were reared in more crowded conditions and (horrors) NO indoor plumbing.  Most of the children growing up in that time and situation became responsible and productive adults.  Maybe they learned to respect and help one another, instead of it being all about me..me..me.  

My sister and her husband live with my mom and they have 6 kids! It is a 4 bedroom house!  My mom built herself a room in the downstairs basement! I also lived there at one point as well as my dad (who passed away) AND My grandmother! It is small and cramped, but they do fine. They love each other and do fine. As the song says "Love grows strong in little houses".  Not all children need their own rooms! My sister kids share a room. There are three boys crammed into one room! And the rooms are tiny.  I am glad they got a new home for them, but I agree that it is not fair that they get one just because of their cramped conditions. that is one reason why I dislike the EMHE on ABC. It is nice they help these people, but if every home who lost a parent, had a disabled child or was an adoptive parent got a new home, that would too much!  

  

Nancy 

 
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November 22, 2005, 3:44 pm PST

The End of My Rope

I was real excited about seeing the show today and hoping to get some tips or advice but like usual, my circumstances are quite different than most that I have found and the show didnt help much. My husband has a 9 yr old daughter whom he gets visitation with every other weekend and now that she moved, every 3 weekends. In the beginning (she was 3 then), everything was great, we got along and I was building a relationship with the lil girl. When we got engaged and moved in together EVERYTHING seemed to change. Andy, my husband, would COMPLETELY ignore me when she was at our place for the weekend. I worked weekends then so I wasn't even there most of the time. The girl would roll her eyes and disrespect me and my personal belongings and Andy would say, "I didn't see her" or stuff like, "It's just a piece of furniture (or whatever it was that she destroyed)" At night I would get kicked out of my own bed and Andy refused to take her back to bed. He thought I was a "bitch" for not wanting her to sleep in our bed or hang out in the privacy of our own bedroom. The girl had no rules, no bedtime, nothing. Andy and I went to counseling over this issue. The counselor suggested we both make a list of rules, combine and agree on them and proper punishment. After making a list of my own, andy said that I covered them all and they were fine. When it came to enforce these rules, he said I was a dictator, they are my rules and to enforece them myself. Needless to say, she goes to daddy every time still to this day. I can't even tell her to please knock before entering our room without getting yelled at. There are hundreds of stories like this. THEN we got married and pregnant. Andy had nothing to do with my pregnancy but would brag and tell stories about him and the girl's mom (whom he never married) and how it was such an emotional moment and blah blah blah. I couldn't get him to help name our son. His excuse was, "I got to name "her" so you can name the baby" In Lamaze class he took magazines and work to do because lamaze class was "boring. I've already been through this before."  My heart was broken and my soul crushed because of it. Andy's mother was the same way. She told me when I was 7 months pregnant that Andy should've married his daughter's mother. It is now clearly evident that she shows favortism between her only two grandchildren, Andy's daughter and our son. Andy said that he doesn't want any more children because he already has two and so do I. I argued that I only have one child and he says he didn't even want our son to begin with...another stab in the heart. I'm always compared to his ex, by him and his mother. Andy ALWAYS does what his ex says. When, where, how, whatever the case. I'm always put on the back burner and have to change plans or wait around until the last minute until the ex decides what suits her best. She is really vindictive after 8 and a half years. She is married with 2 children of her own and lives in a nice house and always driving a brand new car. She continually tries to drain more and more money out of us. I used to not have a problem with her until my husband started treating me like I was "their" child and treats her like she's a queen and i'm, well, a nothing. To try and make this shorter.....Now it has been almost 6 years. NOTHING has changed but the fact that now I have resentment and anger towards the whole situation. Considering that I have no say so in the situation, I stay in my room the whole time that the lil girl is here. I make Andy watch our 3 yr old the whole time due to the fact that he was also getting ignored on visitation weekends also. My son and I hardly ever get to spend time with Andy due to him working and going to school all the time so when he drops everything on the weekends for the girl and totally ignores our son and I, I get really angry and hurt and more resentment builds. I've tried VERY hard to make Andy understand where I am coming from but his response is and always has been, "she's blood and you're not and if you don't like it, get your stuff and get the f*** out" That statement hurt so bad that when I see the little girl, it makes me cringe. My 3 yr old does notice a difference being made. He lashes out by acting completely different when she's here. He hits, screams, and acts as silly as he can to get his daddy's attention. It's all I can do to keep from bawling. Bawling is usually what I do, in my room, every visitation weekend. Andy does his best to try and make me think that my thoughts and feelings are abnormal about being a "stepmother." He's bought me books to read and has done a good job at making me feel like a horrible person. I have read plenty of books, went to counseling, and have done research on the subject. I have found that yes, I am perfectly normal for feeling this way in such a situation. There are things that I could do more of that would make the situation better. The thing is, I have done everything asked of me and more and I dont' get anything in return for it. At this moment in time, Andy says that this coming up weekend things have to change and I have to love his daughter or we are getting divorced. I have tried to explain to him that we have to build a relationship and grow into love with full support and understanding. Andy tells me the situation is my problem and I have to deal with it myself. It is SOOOOO frustrating. With that ultimatum, I don't know what to do or say. It's something that can't happen overnight. It's taken me 6 years almost to get to this point of resenment and I can almost say hatred.  I feel like that he's telling me that instead of being a supportive father and husband that he would rather divorce me, sacrifice not giving his son his mommy AND daddy's full time support and love just so he doesn't have to deal with this issue less than 48 hours a month. I don't know what to do. There are sooo much more heartbreaking  moments that I couldn't even begin to tell it all here and now. I don't want to get divorced and I don't want to spend any days away from my son. If Dr. Phil reads this, PLEASE give me some advice.
 
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November 22, 2005, 3:48 pm PST

help from anyone

 i just watched todays show on blended families.  i have some questions which relate to my best friend and her new relationship.  any input would be gratefully accepted for this unique family about to be "blended."  she is not only marrying someone with two children, she has 2 of her own and one foster child.  they are also blending different cultures and religions.  i would love to hear from anyone that may be in the same situation.
 
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