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Falling in love is easy. Falling in love with your new spouse's kids is not so easy. Actor Dennis Quaid, co-star of the new movie "Yours, Mine & Ours," joins Dr. Phil. He talks about how being a dad helped him prepare for his role as a man dealing with the difficulties of blending a family. Then, Juli says her stepdaughter, Samantha, makes her feel like the other woman. Her husband, Mark, says that Samantha is his best friend. Will Juli's jealousy tear their new family apart? Then, they have two dogs, two cats, four fish and six kids. Meet two parents blending their chaotic family under one very small roof.  Join the discussion.

 

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November 22, 2005, 5:21 pm PST

11/22 "Yours, Mine & Ours”

Dr. Phil, You and your staff could not have picked a better family to help. They deserve the trip! I too help raise my nephew and I know how hard it can be on the entire family. Good luck with the new house, sounds like they need it! 

 
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November 22, 2005, 5:23 pm PST

11/22 "Yours, Mine & Ours”

My step daughter is 14, she comes to visit once a month for a long weekend. (she lives in another state)  The whole time she is here she is clinging to him..  They walk around holding hands, snuggling on the couch, he has made me move so she can sit next to him on the couch.  These are things we would normally be doing together!!!  I know I sound like a jealous idot, but it drives me nuts.  I hate going out in public with them.  My husband says he knows he babies her but he feels guilty that she dosen't have a normal home life.  He gets really made when I tell him she treats him more like a boyfriend than a father,  He says I make him  sound like a pervert.  What is appropiate behavour for fathers and teenage daughters?  He feels since she only comes once a month I should give up my position with him.  I always feel like the other women when she is around!!!!!  My step daughter and I get along well when its just the 2 of us.  once my husband is around its  a power struggle and she always wins.  Please help 

 
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November 22, 2005, 5:30 pm PST

I feel your pain!

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Dr. Phil....I have tried to put this into words and I am having problems doing that...basically I love a man whose children are running our lives.  When I met him he was financially ruined, by his ex, his son 35 yrs old and his daughter 37 yrs old...we fell in love and when we got together made a nice life for ourselves...that life has now fallen apart because of the interference of his children....they have tried to control us from the beginning, continuing to push buttons on both of us...i have not fallen for the cons but their Dad has,....they have pushed so hard that they have caused a huge rift between us and at one time my partner ended up in the hospital...I believe that their Dad has left because he has been in the middle of a huge power struggle- his children against me, he isn't strong enough to stand up to them- i have heard him say on the phone; if you make me chose i chose my partner, but he can never seem to hold true to it and gives in...his lack of strength and not his love for me has caused him to give up...so my words to those that are struggling with younger children...do somethiing about this now or pay for it later...cause two people in love are no match for angry geeding manipulating children...
My situation is somwhat different, but very frustrating and has been the source of many heated arguments. This is a third marriage for both of us. My second husband died of Cancer and my husband divorced his wife of 12 years. My whole life I have loved people and like to study them and pretty much get along with all .  My husband's family are like none I have ever met!  They are very self-centered and only give status to their own and their offspring. For example, for many years the mother and granfdmother lived in Florida, and Christmas and Summer vacations only included the daughter and sons and their children. Spouses were never welcome. All of them are divorced and blame the spouse for the break-up. My current husband, one of the sons, is divorced from a woman who had him adopt her daughter and a foster child. As a result, we pay child support for these children who are not part of OUR lives, because they do not accept step mothers or her family either.The problem and the source of all our conflict is that he keeps contact with his family behind my back and feels there is nothing wrong with this. Whenever I confront him and ask that he express to his family that they should treat us as a couple and part of the family, he says they are willing, it is me that does not let them feel accepted.  I have never had any confrontation with them, but the brother has told me I interfere with their "bonding" with their brother, and they will call and leave messages like, I hope you get this message or the adopted daughters will send mail on rare occasions and always start by saying I hope you get this, to make it look like I would do something to prevent him from getting them.  They call him on his cell phone and he calls them and writes to them behind my back. It is so very frustrating! I have three grown children that fully accept my husband and include him in everything and I always make sure he is included in everything. I need some one to help me with advice on this issue, it is driving me crazy. His mother passed away and left nothing to him, but left money and homes to the brother and sister. Her excuse was she did not like his second wife and feared she would get some of what she left and she had helped him enough when she was alive, how can a mother do that? He accepts it and the brother and sister took all and never offered him anything, he thinks it is ok. I can not understand this way of thinking and his always defending them as right and me as the problem. This is killing my love for him and I am so tired of the conflict that I almost want out of this marriage. Please advise me if anyone has any suggestions.......Like you given a choice, he would choose his family over me, go figure!
 
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November 22, 2005, 5:55 pm PST

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What is it about father's that they can't see the truth about their daughters?  I have a 22 yr old son....no angel, but he is polite and respectful of all adults.  My finace's 16 yr old daughter has battered me twice, once in front of her father, and the ex wife has battered me about 6 times.  We live in MY house.  His daughter visits every other weekend and nearly all of her breaks from school.  I have insisted she not be in my house without myself or my fiance here. (his ex told the court he molested her daughter from her first marriage in addition to numerous lies to get more money and keep the divorce from being final).   He has allowed her to "sneak" back to my house after I have dropped her off to take the bus to his work beacause she is a teenager.  My son and I have enough to deal with without having his ex make up lies to create more problems.  This child liked me in the beginning.  But when I sold my old house and bought this new one she became a spoiled, whining, monster.  The attacks happened 1 1/2 years after we were living together and right when we were moving into MY new house.  This child has hit me, drawing blood, and then called her mother because I wouldn't allow her to have a pay per view movie.  This child now lies to her father and is extremly disrespectful to me and my son.  She has thrown a full soda can at my son when he told her to help pick up things while we were all camping.  This child has a web site that shows too much, soft porn - tattoos - pirecings , and tells of her sexual exploits.  His ex says she doesn't see anything worng with it, because she wants to be a playboy model or a model when she grows up.  This brat is disrespectrul of me, my son, my home and my animals (3 dogs - 2 cats - 2 birds - she goads one of the dogs to chase and growl at others and laughs when they become pretrified (boxer-pit mix).  My finace, is in denial about what she does and says (she has cussed me out numerous times in front of him and others).  He has said if her doesn't see it or hear it how does he know it really happened?  Tell that to the school when they suspend her for disrespect of her teachers or battery on another student or drugs.  I try to be nice, that doesn't work, she ignores me unless she wants something.  I tried ignoring her like she does me.....I couldn't stand by and watch her guilt her father into doing and buying her everything she wanted.  Right now, I feel like sitting her down and telling her where the bear poops in the nuckwheat, and if she doesn't like it she and her father can have their visitation somewhere other than my presence, my sons presence and out of my house!!!!!  Any other ideas?
 

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November 22, 2005, 6:26 pm PST

Nope I think you got the right approach although your late in getting there.

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What is it about father's that they can't see the truth about their daughters?  I have a 22 yr old son....no angel, but he is polite and respectful of all adults.  My finace's 16 yr old daughter has battered me twice, once in front of her father, and the ex wife has battered me about 6 times.  We live in MY house.  His daughter visits every other weekend and nearly all of her breaks from school.  I have insisted she not be in my house without myself or my fiance here. (his ex told the court he molested her daughter from her first marriage in addition to numerous lies to get more money and keep the divorce from being final).   He has allowed her to "sneak" back to my house after I have dropped her off to take the bus to his work beacause she is a teenager.  My son and I have enough to deal with without having his ex make up lies to create more problems.  This child liked me in the beginning.  But when I sold my old house and bought this new one she became a spoiled, whining, monster.  The attacks happened 1 1/2 years after we were living together and right when we were moving into MY new house.  This child has hit me, drawing blood, and then called her mother because I wouldn't allow her to have a pay per view movie.  This child now lies to her father and is extremly disrespectful to me and my son.  She has thrown a full soda can at my son when he told her to help pick up things while we were all camping.  This child has a web site that shows too much, soft porn - tattoos - pirecings , and tells of her sexual exploits.  His ex says she doesn't see anything worng with it, because she wants to be a playboy model or a model when she grows up.  This brat is disrespectrul of me, my son, my home and my animals (3 dogs - 2 cats - 2 birds - she goads one of the dogs to chase and growl at others and laughs when they become pretrified (boxer-pit mix).  My finace, is in denial about what she does and says (she has cussed me out numerous times in front of him and others).  He has said if her doesn't see it or hear it how does he know it really happened?  Tell that to the school when they suspend her for disrespect of her teachers or battery on another student or drugs.  I try to be nice, that doesn't work, she ignores me unless she wants something.  I tried ignoring her like she does me.....I couldn't stand by and watch her guilt her father into doing and buying her everything she wanted.  Right now, I feel like sitting her down and telling her where the bear poops in the nuckwheat, and if she doesn't like it she and her father can have their visitation somewhere other than my presence, my sons presence and out of my house!!!!!  Any other ideas?

"she and her father can have their visitation somewhere other than my presence, my sons presence and out of my house!" 

  

Lets face it the girl battered you.  She is 16 and doing adult things with her mother's permission.  Treat her like an adult.  She is only a visitor and does not live in your home so you have every right to ask them to visit somewhere else.  Net time she hit you have her thrown in jail and if her mother does is again toss them both in.  You should have restraining ordered against them both. 

  

If I had a 22 year old son and a 16 year old who lies I would make darn sure there is not time that the two of them are ever together alone.   You have to protect your son. 

  

I should not have to tell you no one has the right to lay a hand on you not ever, not once, never.  I'd stay clear of the ex too.   

  

Your husband has created this situation and if he does not want to fix it then he visit with her else where and you should not feel obligate to facilitate this. 

 
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November 22, 2005, 6:48 pm PST

11/22 "Yours, Mine & Ours”

My heart goes out to Juli. I recently ended a relationship with a man who has a very unhealthy relationship with his now 10 year old daughter.  Her behaviour and attitude was very similar to that of the 12 year old who appeared on the show, and while her father said that he refused to be "caught in the middle," he actually encouraged this dynamic and was quite responsible for creating it. This child was clearly troubled (far more troubled than the 12 year old appeared to be, actually), and yet he wouldn't get help for her or himself, insisting that she was "coping just fine."  Finding my balance again after this experience (I am single with no children of my own) is taking some time. 

  

For what it's worth, I found the book The Emotional Incest Syndrome: What to Do When A Parent's Love Rules Your Life by Pat Love extremely useful in helping me put what I went through into perspective, and in helping me believe that my distress over the situation wasn't unfounded. 

  

 

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November 22, 2005, 6:56 pm PST

A couple of questions

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My situation is somwhat different, but very frustrating and has been the source of many heated arguments. This is a third marriage for both of us. My second husband died of Cancer and my husband divorced his wife of 12 years. My whole life I have loved people and like to study them and pretty much get along with all .  My husband's family are like none I have ever met!  They are very self-centered and only give status to their own and their offspring. For example, for many years the mother and granfdmother lived in Florida, and Christmas and Summer vacations only included the daughter and sons and their children. Spouses were never welcome. All of them are divorced and blame the spouse for the break-up. My current husband, one of the sons, is divorced from a woman who had him adopt her daughter and a foster child. As a result, we pay child support for these children who are not part of OUR lives, because they do not accept step mothers or her family either.The problem and the source of all our conflict is that he keeps contact with his family behind my back and feels there is nothing wrong with this. Whenever I confront him and ask that he express to his family that they should treat us as a couple and part of the family, he says they are willing, it is me that does not let them feel accepted.  I have never had any confrontation with them, but the brother has told me I interfere with their "bonding" with their brother, and they will call and leave messages like, I hope you get this message or the adopted daughters will send mail on rare occasions and always start by saying I hope you get this, to make it look like I would do something to prevent him from getting them.  They call him on his cell phone and he calls them and writes to them behind my back. It is so very frustrating! I have three grown children that fully accept my husband and include him in everything and I always make sure he is included in everything. I need some one to help me with advice on this issue, it is driving me crazy. His mother passed away and left nothing to him, but left money and homes to the brother and sister. Her excuse was she did not like his second wife and feared she would get some of what she left and she had helped him enough when she was alive, how can a mother do that? He accepts it and the brother and sister took all and never offered him anything, he thinks it is ok. I can not understand this way of thinking and his always defending them as right and me as the problem. This is killing my love for him and I am so tired of the conflict that I almost want out of this marriage. Please advise me if anyone has any suggestions.......Like you given a choice, he would choose his family over me, go figure!

What percentage of your life revolves around your in-laws and step kids?

  

 

Is the rest worth you backing off?

  

 

 

  

 

Let me see if I'm reading your post correctly

  

 

Clearly his family and kids do not want to include you in a relationship with him. 

  

 

He clearly wants to keep his connection with his family. 

  

 

Somehow they (including your husband) have gotten the impression that you are preventing him from contacting them.

  

 

 

  

 

You have three options let him have it both ways be your husband and maintain a relationship with his family (even if is excludes you) , make him continue to sneak to avoid conflict or leave him. 

  

 

 

  

 

If this is a good guy with a strange family I would give him space and permission to be with his family and not confront him anymore about it.  If he is a jerk then I would make his life miserable and snap at him every time I caught him calling them, accuse him of not loving me enough and other emotional blackmail (tit for tat) you know the drill.

  

 

  

 
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November 22, 2005, 7:35 pm PST

Incredible what you did for the six kids and parents!

I know that we have recently moved our family across Canada to Alberta and have basically had to start all over again so when my 21 year old daughter and her two year old daughter decided to follow us we thought sure no problem they can stay with us until they are settled. Well they moved in on November 1st and we are counting the days until they get their own space and give us ours back. We live in a very small townhouse that is two levels and has one bathroom. With two parents a 21 year old daughter and her two year old, a 16 year old son and finally an eleven year old daughter. Personalities clash and there never seems to be enough space and certainly never any peace and quiet so I can only imagine what this family was going through! I'm glad that you helped this family along and wish them all the best and as for my own situation I pray my daughter finds her own place soon!
 
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November 22, 2005, 7:45 pm PST

11/22 "Yours, Mine & Ours”

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What percentage of your life revolves around your in-laws and step kids?

  

 

Is the rest worth you backing off?

  

 

 

  

 

Let me see if I'm reading your post correctly

  

 

Clearly his family and kids do not want to include you in a relationship with him. 

  

 

He clearly wants to keep his connection with his family. 

  

 

Somehow they (including your husband) have gotten the impression that you are preventing him from contacting them.

  

 

 

  

 

You have three options let him have it both ways be your husband and maintain a relationship with his family (even if is excludes you) , make him continue to sneak to avoid conflict or leave him. 

  

 

 

  

 

If this is a good guy with a strange family I would give him space and permission to be with his family and not confront him anymore about it.  If he is a jerk then I would make his life miserable and snap at him every time I caught him calling them, accuse him of not loving me enough and other emotional blackmail (tit for tat) you know the drill.

  

 

  

I can so relate to being shunned by your inlaws and the tension it can put on a family. My inlaws never liked me and never made any bones about it and to this day none of our three beautiful children have ever stayed one night at their house. It really hurts and puts a terrible strain on our marriage but you have to learn to accept who these people are and just let it go. I don't like who they are but forgive them for treating me and my children the way that they havebecause they are not worth one more ounce of stress. For me I don't have a problem with my husband talking to his family and visiting as he wishes but ask that he not force me or the kids to attend anything or put on a fake face any longer as I have wasted far to many years doing this!
 
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November 22, 2005, 8:22 pm PST

Congratulations

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Dear Dr. Phil, 

  

I loved your show today about the blended family.  Please let me tell you our story: 

  

     In May of 1979 Bob and I married each other and our combined five children.  As we exchanged vows and rings with each other, we also exchanged vows and Identification bracelets with our children.  My son and daughter and his daughter and two sons were all between 5 and 14.   

  

     It's been 26 1/2 years now and I would do it all over again if I could. Sure, there were problems, arguments, stresses, too little room and too little money, "other parent" coordination problems, and lots of chaos.  But we did learn a few things along the way and I sure wish I could share those with other blended families. 

  

     #1 FAMILY MEETINGS - are an absolute must!  And the more frequent the better.  Be somewhat democratic about it.  Take notes - keep a family spiral book.........Documentation helps solve problems and arguments later on when things are remembered differently.  No one lies on purpose - we just remember differently.  At the end of each meeting the notes are read aloud, amendments made and everyone signed the book as witness. 

  

     #2 CONTRACTS - Write up deals (usually involving only two or more family members) and get them signed.  IE: Chris agrees to clean the garage in exchange for Dad paying his way to summer camp.   or Debbie and Robin agree to stop arguing about space in their room and will begin by working together to clean and label spaces in their room.   Family rules were written up and signed by everyone.  Those who break rules got "tickets" and were assessed fines.  Fines were usually not money and could include grounding or appropriate work. 

  

     #3. CHORES - A piece of plywood, painted yellow, was labeled with each person's name and a row of nails.  Key tags listed the chores to be done.  Chores were color coded - red for the more difficult,  blue for regular jobs, and yellow for easier chores.  Each night before the children's bedtime I would clear off the board and reassign the chores for the next day.  There were seven of us so each one of us got a day "off" - even MOM.   The children could trade off chores (if they did it before they went to bed).  They learned to bargain - two blues for a red, or a blue and two yellows for a red.  Since two of our children are handicaped occasional chore definitions would be to help someone else do their chore. 

  

     #4.  WHERE ARE YOU?  My husband hung a chalkboard near the door.  Using a permanent marker, he lined it off and put up categories to be filled in.  Anyone (adult or child) who left the house or yard had to sign out and then upon return signing in.  The categories were:  NAME, TIME, WHERE, PHONE # (where you will be), AND E.T.A.  (estimated time you will arrive back home).  Even Dad signed out when he left for work!   

  

     #5. ALLOWENCE:  Regular chores are not connected to or dependant upon allowence.  Certain things are your job to buy for yourself as long as you are getting an allowence.  The older you get the more your allowence is and the more things you are responsible for buying for yourself.  Things that children were responsible for ranged from contributions at church, fad clothing items, extra school supplies, replacement of something you lost, make-up, entertainment......etc.  depending on your age and amount of allowence.  There was always enough for discretion spending.   ALLOWENCES STOPPED AT AGE SIXTEEN (16).  After age 16 the children were expected to get a job and earn their own money.  Responsibilities continued after age 16 and, in fact, included even more things like saving for a car. 

  

Thank you for reading our story.  There are so many more things that we did together.  We were not and are not perfect - neither are our children.  But now that the oldest is 40 I think it is safe to say that they are grown up, good citizens, fine family members with families of their own, and we are proud of all our Adult Children. 

  

Sincerely, 

Bob and Julie Ball 

robjball@juno.com 

  

  

My dad has always said, "This too shall pass." and it has always comforted me. 

  

What a wonderful story.  I am a step-mom and I am always looking for ways to help our family grow together.  We have our ups and downs but we all really love each other despite some of the obstacles we've have to overcome.  It will never be perfect but it doesn't have to be awful, either.   I am grateful for your good advice and it's wonderful to know that by setting down some ground rules, it can work.   

  

  

 
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