Topic : 11/22 "Yours, Mine & Ours"

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Falling in love is easy. Falling in love with your new spouse's kids is not so easy. Actor Dennis Quaid, co-star of the new movie "Yours, Mine & Ours," joins Dr. Phil. He talks about how being a dad helped him prepare for his role as a man dealing with the difficulties of blending a family. Then, Juli says her stepdaughter, Samantha, makes her feel like the other woman. Her husband, Mark, says that Samantha is his best friend. Will Juli's jealousy tear their new family apart? Then, they have two dogs, two cats, four fish and six kids. Meet two parents blending their chaotic family under one very small roof.  Join the discussion.

 

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November 23, 2005, 6:29 am PST

This is list of items every well run family should be doing.

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Dear Dr. Phil, 

  

I loved your show today about the blended family.  Please let me tell you our story: 

  

     In May of 1979 Bob and I married each other and our combined five children.  As we exchanged vows and rings with each other, we also exchanged vows and Identification bracelets with our children.  My son and daughter and his daughter and two sons were all between 5 and 14.   

  

     It's been 26 1/2 years now and I would do it all over again if I could. Sure, there were problems, arguments, stresses, too little room and too little money, "other parent" coordination problems, and lots of chaos.  But we did learn a few things along the way and I sure wish I could share those with other blended families. 

  

     #1 FAMILY MEETINGS - are an absolute must!  And the more frequent the better.  Be somewhat democratic about it.  Take notes - keep a family spiral book.........Documentation helps solve problems and arguments later on when things are remembered differently.  No one lies on purpose - we just remember differently.  At the end of each meeting the notes are read aloud, amendments made and everyone signed the book as witness. 

  

     #2 CONTRACTS - Write up deals (usually involving only two or more family members) and get them signed.  IE: Chris agrees to clean the garage in exchange for Dad paying his way to summer camp.   or Debbie and Robin agree to stop arguing about space in their room and will begin by working together to clean and label spaces in their room.   Family rules were written up and signed by everyone.  Those who break rules got "tickets" and were assessed fines.  Fines were usually not money and could include grounding or appropriate work. 

  

     #3. CHORES - A piece of plywood, painted yellow, was labeled with each person's name and a row of nails.  Key tags listed the chores to be done.  Chores were color coded - red for the more difficult,  blue for regular jobs, and yellow for easier chores.  Each night before the children's bedtime I would clear off the board and reassign the chores for the next day.  There were seven of us so each one of us got a day "off" - even MOM.   The children could trade off chores (if they did it before they went to bed).  They learned to bargain - two blues for a red, or a blue and two yellows for a red.  Since two of our children are handicaped occasional chore definitions would be to help someone else do their chore. 

  

     #4.  WHERE ARE YOU?  My husband hung a chalkboard near the door.  Using a permanent marker, he lined it off and put up categories to be filled in.  Anyone (adult or child) who left the house or yard had to sign out and then upon return signing in.  The categories were:  NAME, TIME, WHERE, PHONE # (where you will be), AND E.T.A.  (estimated time you will arrive back home).  Even Dad signed out when he left for work!   

  

     #5. ALLOWENCE:  Regular chores are not connected to or dependant upon allowence.  Certain things are your job to buy for yourself as long as you are getting an allowence.  The older you get the more your allowence is and the more things you are responsible for buying for yourself.  Things that children were responsible for ranged from contributions at church, fad clothing items, extra school supplies, replacement of something you lost, make-up, entertainment......etc.  depending on your age and amount of allowence.  There was always enough for discretion spending.   ALLOWENCES STOPPED AT AGE SIXTEEN (16).  After age 16 the children were expected to get a job and earn their own money.  Responsibilities continued after age 16 and, in fact, included even more things like saving for a car. 

  

Thank you for reading our story.  There are so many more things that we did together.  We were not and are not perfect - neither are our children.  But now that the oldest is 40 I think it is safe to say that they are grown up, good citizens, fine family members with families of their own, and we are proud of all our Adult Children. 

  

Sincerely, 

Bob and Julie Ball 

robjball@juno.com 

  

  

This is a great must do list for all well run families(not just blended).  Even if you only have one or two this will keep everyone on track.  Many families have proven doing these things will keep things running smoothly with far less conflict.   

  

Thanks for posting this. 

 
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November 23, 2005, 6:59 am PST

The other woman in the marriage

I feel for Juli.  I have just broken off a 4.5 year relationship due to the very same problem.  Where to start - unless Juli's husband takes drastic action and puts Juli first in the relationship, she may as well run as far and as fast as she can, because he won't change.  His daughter will always come first, be the darling of his life and Juli will always play second fiddle to his manipulative little brat, who needs to be told to butt out, go and play and get on with her life.  It would seem like Daddy cannot distinguish between romantic love and parental love and does not have a clue on how to raise a child with boundaries and discipline.  Since my breakup, I have thought about all the times that I was put down, sworn at, told to mind my own business, shown disrespect, promises broken etc. by my ex and by his beloved daughter (when we started dating she was 13 .. she is now 17) ... (she even called me a b.tch ( and there was no reprimand from him) ...and when we did eventually discuss marriage, my ex said that his daughter - (who nows lives with him - but when we started dating he said she would NEVER live with him) - must live with us in a basement apartment and have her own kitchen, we must have two holidays a year, one with her especially, and we must spend more family time with her, and I must not tell her what to do - as usual, it was and will always be about 'her'' and what 'she' wants ...!!  We argued for years about his constant calls to her, day and night and during our private intimate time.  He said he will  talk to his daughter any time he wants to, again, total disrespect for me and my wishes.  And please note, 'she' does have a mother and 'she' sees her mother. 

  

I think that my ex's previous marriage broke down because of his little darling (spending too much time with his daughter and not enough time with his wife)... and I was a fool not to end the relationship sooner.  Four bouts of counselling did not help either, as he would NEVER tell little darling that I was his chosen one (as he was guided to by the counsellors) ... and my ex wanted me to be an instant mother but I was not allowed to say anything negative - there was always this 'competition' going on.  When his daughter was sleeping around at 14 years old, I told my ex it was wrong - I was sworn at and told to mind my own business.     Quite frankly, I cant stand 'her', and she has been a constant thorn in my side, always pouting and batting eye-lashes at dear Daddy, getting inbetween us where she can.  But, I don't blame her as much as I blame my ex, for his gutless, useless parenting skills ... but then again, I suppose he thrives on the adoration given by his daughter? ... and will always prefer the 'unconditional' love given and received? - who knows, its kind of sick in a way.  Now the two of them live happily together without me being in the picture. 

  

I am saddened that my relationship ended ... but I can tell you one thing, I will never ever get  involved with a chap again who has a teenage daughter who rules the roost and thinks that she is the 'wife' and is allowed to do this by doting Daddy.  Its is not 'normal' behaviour. 

  

Juli, your husband will not change.  "She" will always be the one, sad to say.  Run girl, you deserve better.  Good luck! 

 
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November 23, 2005, 7:48 am PST

parents set the tone, not the kids

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I agree that parents need to, "set the tone".  This is not always posssable when the daughter lives with you and you are the only mother she knows and she still continues to act this way and be jealous of the very little time my H and I have together or share sitting by one another.  I also enforce rules and guidelines but when it comes to her dad and I she gets jealous and it seems he is in denial or something.  It's not fair to our relationship or me.  She is only 6 but old enough to know what she is doing and we both give her love and meet all her needs.  Her bio mother is not in the picture per her choice.   

  

  

  

Whilst I agree that parents set the tone, 'adults' do not have to wait for their teenagers to grow up before they can enter another relationship and/or marry.  That is just crazy!  Its up to the parents to create a new blended family ... yes, there will be problems, but I do not think its fair for the kids to call the shots, and the 'parents' to sit around and wait to have a significant other ... one day, when the kids are all grown up.  Parents do have lives too!  When there is jealousy in a relationship between the step-parent and the child, the biological parent must step up to the plate and sort it out - if he chooses to accept the child's point of view over that of his wife, then why did he re-marry in the first place?  A child is a child, and has no control over the parent's romantic involvement unless its harmful to the child, which in most cases it is not. 

  

Single/divorced parents should get on with their lives as best as they can .... their kids will grow up one day and get on with their lives ... If one chooses to live through one's children, then you are just a martyr. 

  

  

 
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November 23, 2005, 7:50 am PST

Yours mine & ours

I cant really say I have a "Blended family" we are more like two families living in the same house. My husband and I have been together for 4 years and were married in June of 2003. I have a 18 year old son, a 16 year old son and a 13 year old son my husband has a 5 year old daughter and we have a 7 week old daughter together. My 18 year old and and 16 year old do not live with us my oldest son and my husband do not get along at all. they did in the beginning my 18 year old has alot of problems he is adhd, bipolar, odd and has learning problems. I was not looking for a relationship at all when I met my husband I had been apart from my ex for 3 years and was happy being a single parent( not that it was easy) However my kids actually talked me into dating my husband and wanted us to get married His daughter was 1 1/2 when we got together and I always treated her like my own my sons adored her however in the last 4 years things have changed my two oldest sons no longer live with me mostly in part to my husband he is very unforgiving and when my sons would do something wrong he couldnt focus on what it was he would bring up everything they had ever done wrong  in the past I would tell him that is over and done with but he cant leave it alone he does the same thing with me brings up every fight we have ever had and anything I have ever said he uses my past against me as well as my sons however his daughter is perfect and when she is  here which used to be every  weekend but now it is every other. The reason her mom changed the visitation was because of me when we have his daughter we supply everything for her clothes toys, etc she comes with the clothes on her back and we had her more than 50% of the time I would take her when her mom had to work and didnt have a babysitter on holidays etc but she still wanted more child support not that I dont think my husband should pay but it should be fair he pays her 300.00 a month plus we have to still supply all of her clothes and it was getting to be too much so his ex changed the visitation to every other weekend saying that now she wants more child support. we are always fighting over money and now that we have a daughter together I said he should try to get the child support lowered he wants me to stay at home with " our" daughter at least for the first year however we cant afford for me to stay at home with his child support so high So I have to get a job and work at least 60-80 hours aweek to pay for daycare and pay the bills while he is only working 40 When his daughter is here he cooks for him and for her ONLY I have to do the cooking, cleaning for everyone however my husband will do ONLY his laundry and hers. HE cant even take a load of laundry out of the washer and put it in the dryer if it isnt his he will yell that I have to come and do it cuz it isnt his. However he expects my son to shovel, mow the lawn, take out the garbage, do the dishes Why should my son have to take care of all of this when my husband doesnt do anything for him? My husband cant ask my son to do something He orders rather than say Can you please  mow the lawn? he says "The lawn better be mowed by the time I get home and you can take out the garbage out" My husband also will leave me notes in the morning as to what needs t o be done around the house while he does nothing. My husband had this house before we were married sop it is HIS house why should I do anything in his house? His daughter runs the house when she is here I feel like an outsider she tells me what to do. I do not even pay attention to her anymore when she is here because it doesnt matter what I say her father lets her do what ever she wants and always uses the excuse "well she is  only 5 she doesnt know better" yes she does she sneaks in our room at night and sleeps in our bed Now that we have a 7 week old baby when I would get up with our daughter his daughter would get up and go crawl in our bed on my side of the bed with MY pillow so I would end up sleeping on the couch and she would look at me and laugh. My husband doesnt see anything wrong with this at all. we are not a blended a family at all there is me and my children and him and his daughter and then our daughter we dont do anything together unless it is a holiday and then of course we have to go to his family he doesnt do anything with my family at all but I am expected to spend holidays, birthdays, family get togethers with his family and when I go to my family I go alone with my children. I have no say so with his daughter however he thinks he has all the say so with my son as far as rules etc It doesnt matter what I say to my son he changes it or end up fighting and he brings up everything I have done wrong or my son has done wrong but I can never bring up what he has done or his daughter cuz they are perfect and he Is ALWAYS right. Two weeks ago I told him I wanted a divorce that I couldnt take it anymore I was tired of the yelling, fighting,the name calling and the blame always on me and my son. He thinks I was kidding and after 3 days of Punishing me by going to work and coming home and going right to bed ( he didnt even say Hi to "our Daughter during that time) he said cuz I was there and he didnt want to be around me YEah real mature. so "our daughter suffered the he acted like nothing happened and I am just supposed to be happy and forget everything that he said to me I am depressed and crying all the time Partioally due to the fact I did just have a baby and I think post partum depression is sinking in and part because of him he will not change at all I dont see things getting any better.  He doesnt think his daughter does anything wrong cuz she is only 5 so he doesnt see how she manipulates him and he allows it My son mostly spends his time in the back room playing his playstation and on the weekends that his daughter is here my son is either playing his playstation or sleeping or in his room. I feel like an outsider and on the weekends his daughter is here I dont have any say with our daughter. He treats more like a kid than his wife I am supposed to cook ,clean, pay the bills, take care of him but he doest treat me like a partner his mom knows more about his life than I do  he feels he works 40 hours a week so he doesnt have to do anything else. I rambled on for to long. I just dont know what to do anymore I am depressed and stressed all the time I am walking on egg shells I never know what is going to set him off. I want our marriage to work but I cant do it on my own and he expects me and my son to change but my husband isnt willing to change at all or see that he and his daughter are part of the problem also He thinks everything would be fine if me and my son would change everything would be fine. He doest take any responsilblity at all when he gets mad and name calls or puts me or my son down it is our fault we caused him to get mad and if we would just do what he wants everything would be ok. We would be a perfect family for Dr phil I would love to see Dr phil take on my husband cuz my Husband is always right and I would love to see what Dr Phil would say to him I dont know maybe it would help I know we need help I just dont know where to turn. I am not ready to totally give up on my marriage but I honestly dont know how much longer I can go on this way.
 
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November 23, 2005, 7:59 am PST

11/22 "Yours, Mine & Ours”

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If you have to work full time to support your kids plus raise them on your own, looking for Mr Right does not take priority when getting the laundry each week probably evades you. 

  

I would rather spend a quiet evening playing board games with my kids then chasing a more complicated life. 

  

  

I work full time, go to school full time and take care of the kids and the house. My husband has a demanding job and he is not home much to help. The kids all have chores to help out. 

I still have time for my kids more time than my parents had just raising 2 kids.  

  

Your kids still need a male role model. 

 
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November 23, 2005, 8:07 am PST

blended families

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I enjoy the Dr.Phil show very much.  We tape it every day.  My question or response is to the family where Samantha was acting like the wife and made the wife feel like the other person.  I don't feel there was a good answer to how this can be resolved.  Our daughter is going through the same thing and wanted me to save this day's program for her. Can you give some advice as how to get the father to stand up for his wife?
The prospective husband MUST realize that the "couple" are the priority and the "child" is just that - A CHILD, who will eventually grow up and move out and start her own life. I learned the hard way that if you do not make the "couple" the priority,  everything will fall apart. He must insist that the "other woman/child" respect and honor the stepmother. If the father refuses to make the boundaries clear, the marriage will never last and she should get out ASAP. I know that sounds painful and harsh but if she is encountering issues with the daughter it will only get worse.
 
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November 23, 2005, 8:35 am PST

11/22 "Yours, Mine & Ours”

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     I watched todays show!  The 2nd family look like they will make it and will be happy! 

 

The first family ..has problems.  I'm taking a guess here.. hear me out! 

 

the husband treated his daughter like a wife for 2years.  there needs to be some space.  I could see this daughter having a sexual relationship with her dad.  I'm not saying anything like that would happen or the dad being a perve but, the daughter and the dad have taken the daughter's role so far that its natural to think about the next step.  I also think that this dad likes  having to women fight over him.  How he sat there and smirked and says I spoil the daughter. i feel as if he doesn't want to change it.  Also, I think its going to be hard to change the daughter.  If the daughter does get less attention with dad ..she might act out 2 try and get that attention back.   

 

this is a messy problem.  I hope they have an update show on the first couple.   

 I couldn't of said it better myself.  You hit the nail on the head in All the areas. What is is with girls and their dad's?  What is it with dad's and their daughters.  It would creep me out when my husband would let his daughter put and leave her hand in his front pocket of his jeans.  Of course I was the one with my mind in the gutter.  He definitely does have a ego problem.  How sick is that to ruin your daughter and marriage because it.  He is not teaching her about male female married adult relationships.  I hope they have a updated too.   

 
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November 23, 2005, 10:16 am PST

THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ME ON THAT STAGE

I am in the same situation as the woman who feels like the "other woman".  I am going thru my 2nd divorce and had had it with men when I had run into an old "friend" from 20 years ago and he pursued me and we hit it off and are now engaged.   I have 5 children (son age 16 and 4 girls - 13, 11, 8 and 4) from 2 previous marriages and he has one daughter who is 12.  She has done everything she can to come between us.  She was living with her dad when we first got together and moved back with her mom after she found out her mom was having a baby - who is not married and not even with the guy....anyway, their marriage wasn't much of one to begin with and they were just divorced a year ago.  Instead of fiance doing the things with his wife like he should have he did them with his daughter instead. 

 

Now that we are together she gets jealous and comes around to hug her dad or kiss him to make me jealous.  If we are hugging or something she will come around to get her share - one incident she came in and we were hugging b/c one of us had just gotten home and she got pissed and said "I LOVE YOU TOO DAD!"  She calls her mom in the middle of the night when she is here on the weekends she is here and even on Wednesday nights for her to come and get her.  I think it is because she is used to sleeping with them and doesn't like to sleep by herself or without her mom or dad.  I keep telling fiance not to allow her to call or leave and he does everytime.  I have had panic attacks when she is here and have to leave because of the stress and he ends up leaving taking her to his moms and has her stay there or whatever. 

 

She likes to dress trashy and is proud to look like a "slut" and talks about wanting to be one.  She was always undressing in front of him and lifts her shirt up to show him her bra - she hasn't yet started to develop but still inappropriate.  She talks about her "boobs" to him all the time.  She walks in on him in the bathroom and shower - glass shower doors, and walks in on us all the time when we are in the bedroom. 

 

When she is here she talks bad about me and gets my oldest daughter against me and do the things she knows I don't like or aprrove of.  As soon as she leaves to go back home my daughter is her old self.  My other kids don't like her because of her attitude but especially the way she has treated me.  She has really hurt my 11 year old by the way she has treated me and talked to me and about me. 

 

She was supposed to walk home with my daughter from school and would never show up and go somewhere else and no one would know where she was.  But there was no discipline and she just kept doing it.  She now doesn't come here - she has everyone running all over the place to pick her up whereever she is.  She hasn't been here for a few weeks - mostly b/c her mom had her baby and now she is really treating her dad bad.  She was talking bad behind his back too and being rude to him to his face.  She can't keep friends.  She lies constantly and has been stealing (stole cash and checks from my daughter- which she gave her back the checks but not the cash) and finace doesn't even confront her about any of it.  When he does confront her about anything she lies to him and he lets it go.  They had taken one of my credit cards and used it for a dating site on the internet and they were both confronted about it and I still don't know what happened for sure but he ended up taking his daugher for "a ride" and talked to her about it and got the "facts" from her and then it was dropped.  My daughter was saying one thing and his daughter said she didn't even know anything about it and didn't want to talk about it - she just kept doing her homework. 

 

My finace has told me he wants me to help and he wants his daughter to be able to come to me for anything.  I can talk to my kids about anything and his ex has never been able to talk about "delicate" issues with their daughter.  She had no idea what puberty even was.  He wants the help but he just doesn't seem to get it.  He knows about this show and I told him about it and that that is exactly like our situation and he didn't see it as that way.  I told him it is and that I have told him that since we first got together. 

 

My kids love him to death and don't give him problems - sure they are kids and they act up but not to this extent.  My kids have not had much of a dad - even with their step-dad, and they like the way he wants to be with them and do for them.  But he does "discipline" them and makes them go by rules.  But it doesn't ever apply to his daugher.  He tells me he doesn't want to because she isn't here that much....One of my daughters (11 year old) doesn't live with me right now either and I see her a lot less than he does his daughter but she still has rules... 

 

He also sneaks off almost every night to go call her and talk to her.  I don't like the sneaking around and I have brought it up.  He hasn't talked to her much the past week or two since the baby was born - she gets pissed at him for something and hangs up on him all the time. 

 

I wish I knew what to do.  We are wanting to move out of town and he thinks it would help with some of the problems but to me he is just running from them and not wanting to deal with her and have to treat her like the daughter/child that she is.  She is very childish too and acts like a 2 year old--when she doesn't get her way or get what she wants she cries and blames me and then she will call her mom crying to her.  Which she sneaks off to do that too.  Especially at night when she goes home in the middle of the night - shw will sneak the phone and call her mom then come in all ready to go and just tell her dad she is leaving and make some stupid excuse.  I think a lot of it is for attention.  And she is getting it thats for sure.  She is very conniving and manipulative and fiance says he just can't believe she would do things.... 

 

HELP!!  I could go on and on and on... 

 
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November 23, 2005, 10:37 am PST

11/22 "Yours, Mine & Ours”

Quote From: eastvold

My dad has always said, "This too shall pass." and it has always comforted me. 

  

What a wonderful story.  I am a step-mom and I am always looking for ways to help our family grow together.  We have our ups and downs but we all really love each other despite some of the obstacles we've have to overcome.  It will never be perfect but it doesn't have to be awful, either.   I am grateful for your good advice and it's wonderful to know that by setting down some ground rules, it can work.   

  

  

It's so nice to hear GOOD stories.  I feel so fortunate, as a blended family, that my husband and I love each other so much.  This, alone, gets us through a lot.  All of our children are uniquely wonderful individuals which, in part, we attribute to good parenting (by each of the four parents involved, who all co-parent well, are loving, responsible and involved  in the children's lives).  Part of the key, I believe, is to recognize the very unique personalities of each of the children, respect those differences, and create a unique relationship with each child individually based upon those differences. 

  

No, it's not always easy, but neither is marriage, parenting and sharing in a nuclear family.  In either situation, love, patience and working toward good problem-resolving techniques (not always easy) are part of the key.  Who said life was easy, whatever entails?  Yes, there are always obstacles, and hopefully there are enough good values and lots of love to spread around.  

  

Don't get me wrong, I'm not sugar-coating the subject.  However, for all those involved in blended families, if the people involved are loving and emotionally healthy, hang in there.  Time heals a lot of wounds and the rewards are countless.  My husband says, "What doesn't kill you will make you stronger."   

 
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November 23, 2005, 10:45 am PST

GET OVER IT!

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My step daughter is 14, she comes to visit once a month for a long weekend. (she lives in another state)  The whole time she is here she is clinging to him..  They walk around holding hands, snuggling on the couch, he has made me move so she can sit next to him on the couch.  These are things we would normally be doing together!!!  I know I sound like a jealous idot, but it drives me nuts.  I hate going out in public with them.  My husband says he knows he babies her but he feels guilty that she dosen't have a normal home life.  He gets really made when I tell him she treats him more like a boyfriend than a father,  He says I make him  sound like a pervert.  What is appropiate behavour for fathers and teenage daughters?  He feels since she only comes once a month I should give up my position with him.  I always feel like the other women when she is around!!!!!  My step daughter and I get along well when its just the 2 of us.  once my husband is around its  a power struggle and she always wins.  Please help 

They only get to see each other once a month??????????????  Outside of your insecurity and  jealousy, you get along well with her?  Sounds like she's a good kid.  You get every other moment of his time?  If you don't get over it, you will alienate both of them.  Appreciate what you've got and work on your insecurity! 

 
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