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Imagine hearing voices that don’t really exist, thinking lasers are shooting through your walls or believing that people are coming into your home through electrical outlets. For people with schizophrenia, these types of delusions and paranoia are part of daily life. Mary sees angels and demons and has even believed her husband was a demon in disguise. Then, Ann Marie and Tim would give anything to help their mother. She talks emphatically to people who aren’t there and speaks nonsense to her own children. Watch her erratic behavior captured on camera and find out whether her case is beyond treatment. Plus, two sisters, Melanie and Rachel, want to know if their minds could be ticking time bombs. Talk about the show here.

 

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November 26, 2005, 10:38 pm PST

long acting meds

One thing people might not be aware of is some of the new  long acting meds 

Risperdal has a long acting shot out that lasts for 2 weeks  so you don't have the thing of having to remember a daily dose  called risperdal consta. 

Prozac also has a weekly dose pill that is out now. 

my hubby was on the long acting risperdal and did pretty good on it--it was nice not to have the daily dosing---but, for him the abilify has been the best. 

Around our house, my hubby has med control---a while back there was a study on schizophrenia that had concluded that the meds can slow or stop progression of the illness---that by far, the majority without the meds , their illness will progress.  With the new atypicals, we have had better success and less side effects.  And we've been the whole gamut--from stelazine, to thorazine, trilafon,,, and on and on.....the new ones are definitely superior medications. After that study, and a hospitalization, he has been medicine compliant, and his example helps my son to stay on his. 

David is obsessive compulsive to an extent--so he is a good medicine dispenser...he lines up all the little cups each evening and puts everyone's vitamins , minerals, and meds out for them.   

A good diet--- and studies have shown that certain foods and vitamins etc can be helpful in treating  

this illness.   My son has nausea from the ssri meds---but he takes a folic acid and a b-6 in the a.m  and another b-6 in the afternoon which calms the nausea down.  an amino acid, taurine, has been shown to augment the mood stabilizers.  But, CAUTION!!! research, research, research  before you add any vitamins, minerals etc...some react with certain meds and conditions...our psychatrist is very open to vitamins and so on--so, I always check with him plus do my own research.  We don't use anything that has potential for harm---like kava for instance which can cause liver damage in large doses. 

 
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November 27, 2005, 3:28 am PST

People are not their diagnosis

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This does not seem to be said enought! 

  

We are not our illness! We have a condition that has a name! We are people first! 

  

Treat the person not the illness! 

Finaly a post that got posted! 

  

I would hope that Dr. Phil will see the people and not their condition. I believe that Dr. Phil can help the "People"! 

  

If Dr. Phil wants to reduce the "Stigma" about this condition then he would need to get others to see the people that have this condition.  Not that everyone that has schizophrenia/schizoaffective disorder "must" be on meds!  

  

I feel it was a great show to start with, But if that is all he is going to "show" then he does not need to do another one! There are already enough people out there that only see the condition and not the person! I meen that once someone is found that they have this "condition" then they are no longer thought of as a person! 

  

I can  deal with my condition without meds {because I am dangerious on meds} and I believe that such information can help others that are still having trouble and are taking meds. I do not have a problem with others taking meds, just that there is other information that can/may help. 

  

I believe that Dr. Phil can help me and others that have this condition, the same way that he helps others that do not have this condition. 

 
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November 27, 2005, 4:23 am PST

The meds are dangerous

Read the full version of these medications from the PDR and all the dangers and side effects.  Then decide if you would give these poisons to your child.  The fallacy they tell you about lithium (your body makes it and it is a natural substance)-read how dangerous and potentially deadly it really is. They will not let you read it from the PDR (Physicians Desk Reference).  They give you a printed version on paper-but it's not the whole report. (I have found a natural form from a health food store-but they won't let you use that one?)  And of course the biggest lie is telling you that a symptom of the disease is self-denial that you have it.  (It's like selling religion)  Do you ever seeing the Doctor himself taking these drugs, just to test their safety and effect.  Take some lithium and feel what it fells like to have worms crawling under your skin.  Go live in a mental hospital--see how the patience's refer to the "medication shuffle."  How they know they are just rats in a cage for the drug companies.  How the staff, especially the night staff will push the patience's buttons just to get a reaction for their own entertainment.
Haldol can turn you into a raving lunatic.  It will paralyze your muscles so you can't speak, so they give the antidote at the same time.  Others designed to make you sleep will create nightmares.
 
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November 27, 2005, 5:29 am PST

Not only that, But..

I have a grandson who was diagnosed with ADH for his troubling behavior in school and around children.  However when he moved to another city and my daughter went to get new medicine the new doctor took one look at him and said his tonsils have to come out.  This child is not getting the proper SLEEP.  His own snoring was waking him up, causing inadequate sleep.  After the tonsil were removed he became normal and NO MORE MEDICATION was needed.
 
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November 27, 2005, 6:10 am PST

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I have bipolar disorder. My symptoms began when I was nine years old and  I had major depressions.  Back in the 70's they didn't have the kinds of meds or knowledge that they have now.  My sister could have easily gotten bipolar disorder, but I was the fortunate one who did.  I fought depressions and suicide attempts and was put on medication that didn't seem to work.  I had worked since I was 15 years old taking care of mentally challenged, being a CNA  taking care of the elderly and Then became LPN taking care of the elderly... During all that time I had to fight the depression and hospitalizations.  I had also attened a community college and graduated with honors and earned an associate's degree and then went on and got my nursing license.  It has been a tough road and I used to beat myself up because I couldn't be like  "other people".  It's difficult to try to explain to someone, who doesn't understand, as to why you are so sad and depressed.  I've felt hollow and empty alot of my life.  It's been difficult but I had a purpose in this life and that was to take care of people less "fortunate" than myself.  I had difficulty with relationships with men, because they would say that I acted like I had different personalities.  It was true that I would have mood swings but I didn't understand it.  It was very confusing to me.  Some periods in my life I would do fine, be motivated to do things, become creative, and having fun.... but, the dark times were the worst where all I could do was lay in bed and cry and force myself to go to work.  I tried to hide my illness, but people all knew there was something "wrong" with me.  I felt hopeless because all the medication I took didn't work, and I would abruptly stop taking them out of frustration and being unable to afford them, and then I would crash and be hospitalized for a suicide attempt...  I had also tried to self-medicate with alcohol but all that did was make me even more depressed as alcohol is a depressant, that's when I would try to end my life.  Ex-boyfriends called me psycho and I lost alot of friends as I had worn them out with all of my problems and worries.  I felt like giving up many times, but did not.  I had still continued to work by taking care of people and that kept me going but my father also kept me going as we shared a place together and he said that I was the reason for him to live.......  makes it kind of hard to go and kill yourself when someone is depending on you for a reason to live.  Finally it got to a point when my father said that if I was going to kill myself, to just rent a hotel room and do it there, because he was sick of worrying about coming home and finding me dead.  I know he didn't mean it, but I was burning him out along with other family members.  I felt hopeless...... It's terrible to be depressed all the time and my mind telling me I'm "no good" and "kill yourself"  I had gone to therapy and took the meds. that did not work.  It was such a struggle to endure waking up every day and thinking "Oh my God, I have another day to get through, why did I have to wake up"???   

  

Then, when I had turned 30 yrs. old, I had increased one of my meds. on my own, because I thought I knew what was best.  Because of increasing a certain antidepressant I ended up going into full blown mania and psychosis, along with delusions and hallucinations.  I actually had believed that I was the next Mother Mary who came back to earth to give birth to the next Christ Child so he could save the world. I really believed this.  I also believed that I was the chosen one and that all my sufferring was worth it if it meant I could save the world.  I was hospitalized and finally diagnosed with the "right illness"-----bipolar disorder.  I was put on mood stabilizers and antipsychotic which took me out of "it"....  I had a great treatment team and a wonderful doctor whom I'm forever greatful for.  Things did get better and I tried to return back to work as a nurse, but the stress of it made me get sicker and sicker.  I've spent numerous times in the hospital for "psychosis and mania", but fortunatley I've been regulated for over a year now.  It is scarey to be mentally ill.  I also saw angels and things that "weren't there", but I know they were there, but people don't believe me cuz I'm mentally ill.  I too also thought my husband was the devil and tried to exercise him...  I could go on more and more about my story.  Bottom line, I am on disability.  I do not feel ashamed that I can no longer work, but I have to put myself first and take care of myself.  I also feel that I've contributed to society by taking care of the "less fortunate" for 15 yrs. while having a mental illness.  I'm more gentle with myself now and I take good care of myself.  I know my warning signs and I work very hard in therapy.  The meds. seem to work, but because I have Bipolar Type 1, the antidepressants can all of a sudden stop working for some reason and then I need to go through more trials and errors.  I have a wonderful husband and three cats and a bird that I love very much.  I have a life and I am a worthy person despite having a mental illness.  My life does matter. I have good days and I have bad days.  Main thing is to take care of myself.  I don't care what people say about me for having this kind of illness because it is out of pure ignorance and fear.  The biggest challenge of all was to get my family to understand because they could be the most judgemental people, but I feel the reason I am here is to help people to become more informed.  My family are very loving and supportive now.  It can be very difficult having a family member being afflicted with a mental illness, but they are not ashamed of me and they finally understand why I acted the ways I did years ago.  I couldn't help it.  Bottom line is, people who judge or make fun of people with mental illness---think about it, you could have been randomly selected as I was to get this mental illness, and it could happen to one of your own family members or child like it happened to my mother's child.   

  

Thank God for more awareness out there.  I'm greatful they have made advancements in the field of psychiatry.  There is hope.  I hope Dr. Phil has more shows on about mental illness because the public needs to be informed.  Afterall, we are people too......................... 

 

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November 27, 2005, 9:27 am PST

11/23 Schizophrenia

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Read the full version of these medications from the PDR and all the dangers and side effects.  Then decide if you would give these poisons to your child.  The fallacy they tell you about lithium (your body makes it and it is a natural substance)-read how dangerous and potentially deadly it really is. They will not let you read it from the PDR (Physicians Desk Reference).  They give you a printed version on paper-but it's not the whole report. (I have found a natural form from a health food store-but they won't let you use that one?)  And of course the biggest lie is telling you that a symptom of the disease is self-denial that you have it.  (It's like selling religion)  Do you ever seeing the Doctor himself taking these drugs, just to test their safety and effect.  Take some lithium and feel what it fells like to have worms crawling under your skin.  Go live in a mental hospital--see how the patience's refer to the "medication shuffle."  How they know they are just rats in a cage for the drug companies.  How the staff, especially the night staff will push the patience's buttons just to get a reaction for their own entertainment.
Haldol can turn you into a raving lunatic.  It will paralyze your muscles so you can't speak, so they give the antidote at the same time.  Others designed to make you sleep will create nightmares.

I have crohn's disease and r.arthritis.  The meds I sometimes have to take are like poison. The side effects can be deadly.  I am prescribed some medication just to counteract the side effects of the medication for my main illnesses.   Having a chronic illness is a crappy deal-no question about it.  It would be nice if they could develop medication to control illness that had no side effects but until they do, I'll take my meds to stay alive and able to function. It's a crappy deal but it's the only deal I have. 

  

Your post sounds like you suspect physicians are diagnosing illnesses and prescribing dangerous medications with evil intent to cause injury or doing it to supply pharmaceutical companies with test subjects.  I can assure you that is just not true.  I can agree that errors can be and are made.  I can agree that medical knowledge is imperfect but I am confident that their intent is to keep us as healthy as we can be. 

 

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November 27, 2005, 9:33 am PST

11/23 Schizophrenia

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I have bipolar disorder. My symptoms began when I was nine years old and  I had major depressions.  Back in the 70's they didn't have the kinds of meds or knowledge that they have now.  My sister could have easily gotten bipolar disorder, but I was the fortunate one who did.  I fought depressions and suicide attempts and was put on medication that didn't seem to work.  I had worked since I was 15 years old taking care of mentally challenged, being a CNA  taking care of the elderly and Then became LPN taking care of the elderly... During all that time I had to fight the depression and hospitalizations.  I had also attened a community college and graduated with honors and earned an associate's degree and then went on and got my nursing license.  It has been a tough road and I used to beat myself up because I couldn't be like  "other people".  It's difficult to try to explain to someone, who doesn't understand, as to why you are so sad and depressed.  I've felt hollow and empty alot of my life.  It's been difficult but I had a purpose in this life and that was to take care of people less "fortunate" than myself.  I had difficulty with relationships with men, because they would say that I acted like I had different personalities.  It was true that I would have mood swings but I didn't understand it.  It was very confusing to me.  Some periods in my life I would do fine, be motivated to do things, become creative, and having fun.... but, the dark times were the worst where all I could do was lay in bed and cry and force myself to go to work.  I tried to hide my illness, but people all knew there was something "wrong" with me.  I felt hopeless because all the medication I took didn't work, and I would abruptly stop taking them out of frustration and being unable to afford them, and then I would crash and be hospitalized for a suicide attempt...  I had also tried to self-medicate with alcohol but all that did was make me even more depressed as alcohol is a depressant, that's when I would try to end my life.  Ex-boyfriends called me psycho and I lost alot of friends as I had worn them out with all of my problems and worries.  I felt like giving up many times, but did not.  I had still continued to work by taking care of people and that kept me going but my father also kept me going as we shared a place together and he said that I was the reason for him to live.......  makes it kind of hard to go and kill yourself when someone is depending on you for a reason to live.  Finally it got to a point when my father said that if I was going to kill myself, to just rent a hotel room and do it there, because he was sick of worrying about coming home and finding me dead.  I know he didn't mean it, but I was burning him out along with other family members.  I felt hopeless...... It's terrible to be depressed all the time and my mind telling me I'm "no good" and "kill yourself"  I had gone to therapy and took the meds. that did not work.  It was such a struggle to endure waking up every day and thinking "Oh my God, I have another day to get through, why did I have to wake up"???   

  

Then, when I had turned 30 yrs. old, I had increased one of my meds. on my own, because I thought I knew what was best.  Because of increasing a certain antidepressant I ended up going into full blown mania and psychosis, along with delusions and hallucinations.  I actually had believed that I was the next Mother Mary who came back to earth to give birth to the next Christ Child so he could save the world. I really believed this.  I also believed that I was the chosen one and that all my sufferring was worth it if it meant I could save the world.  I was hospitalized and finally diagnosed with the "right illness"-----bipolar disorder.  I was put on mood stabilizers and antipsychotic which took me out of "it"....  I had a great treatment team and a wonderful doctor whom I'm forever greatful for.  Things did get better and I tried to return back to work as a nurse, but the stress of it made me get sicker and sicker.  I've spent numerous times in the hospital for "psychosis and mania", but fortunatley I've been regulated for over a year now.  It is scarey to be mentally ill.  I also saw angels and things that "weren't there", but I know they were there, but people don't believe me cuz I'm mentally ill.  I too also thought my husband was the devil and tried to exercise him...  I could go on more and more about my story.  Bottom line, I am on disability.  I do not feel ashamed that I can no longer work, but I have to put myself first and take care of myself.  I also feel that I've contributed to society by taking care of the "less fortunate" for 15 yrs. while having a mental illness.  I'm more gentle with myself now and I take good care of myself.  I know my warning signs and I work very hard in therapy.  The meds. seem to work, but because I have Bipolar Type 1, the antidepressants can all of a sudden stop working for some reason and then I need to go through more trials and errors.  I have a wonderful husband and three cats and a bird that I love very much.  I have a life and I am a worthy person despite having a mental illness.  My life does matter. I have good days and I have bad days.  Main thing is to take care of myself.  I don't care what people say about me for having this kind of illness because it is out of pure ignorance and fear.  The biggest challenge of all was to get my family to understand because they could be the most judgemental people, but I feel the reason I am here is to help people to become more informed.  My family are very loving and supportive now.  It can be very difficult having a family member being afflicted with a mental illness, but they are not ashamed of me and they finally understand why I acted the ways I did years ago.  I couldn't help it.  Bottom line is, people who judge or make fun of people with mental illness---think about it, you could have been randomly selected as I was to get this mental illness, and it could happen to one of your own family members or child like it happened to my mother's child.   

  

Thank God for more awareness out there.  I'm greatful they have made advancements in the field of psychiatry.  There is hope.  I hope Dr. Phil has more shows on about mental illness because the public needs to be informed.  Afterall, we are people too......................... 

I am happy you are able to work with your medical team to keep your illness in control.  It isn't an easy one to talk about but your post did help to inform me, so thank you. 
 
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November 27, 2005, 3:26 pm PST

My son had Age Regression Schizophrenia

My son suffered with schizophrenia and only due to the Oprah show only weeks after his death at age 24 did I realize that there was such a thing..it brought comfort to me and my surviving daugther to no wed been right about his behavior all this time and couldnt get any DR. to really listen or dignose him....the Dr. said that day in March or April of 1994 on her show that its very very hard to disgnose...and most Dr. dont even no about it...the name says it all....I no how all this is so hard to struggle with..my mom was Bi Polar her sister Schizophreniac....my brotehr suffers with Boderline personality disorder....and I suffer from OCD...I pray that there can be better medications and dignoses of all these disorders for I no how I suffered from what can happen when it just dont get caught early enough....Tinkerpiee
 
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November 27, 2005, 6:22 pm PST

My 18 yr son has schizophrenia

My son has been using drugs and alcohol the past 4 yrs.  When we found out that he had been using crystal meth and started acting violent and threatening the neighbors with knives, we had the police remove him and put him in a mental health facility for almost three weeks.  In the hospital he had toxicology reports and they only found trace amounts of marijuana in his bloodstream.  The doctors stated that he developed schizophrenia prior to using the drugs or that the drugs have escalated the mental illness.  He has been in 4 different sober livings and was kicked out of almost all of them.  He was recently admitted into a mental health hospital again for a period of 2 weeks.  He is currently taking Xyprexa and Prozac.  We are now paying to have him stay at a motel on a month to month basis.  The problem being is that he refuses to take his medication regularly and when he does'nt he becomes extremely hostile and agitated.  He is not allowed to come back to live with us because we live in an apartment building and the neighbors are afraid of him.  He is our only child and if he refuses to get better on his own he will wind up homeless.  I even wrote to Dr. Phil to have our family on the show and I never got a response.  This is a terrible disease and it destroys families.  Everytime my son is hospitalized he always comes up clean and the doctor says that now the disease has a mind of its own.  He was a gifted student with a straight A average in school and had everything going for him.  We still both love him very much but if refuses to get help there is'nt very much more we can do for him.  My heart goes out to the panel members on Dr. Phil's show and to all of the people and families that suffer from this terrible disease.  We got in touch with NAMI (national alliance for mental illness) and are going to start to go to group meetings to get a further understanding about this disease.
 
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November 27, 2005, 7:17 pm PST

life does go on

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I have bipolar disorder. My symptoms began when I was nine years old and  I had major depressions.  Back in the 70's they didn't have the kinds of meds or knowledge that they have now.  My sister could have easily gotten bipolar disorder, but I was the fortunate one who did.  I fought depressions and suicide attempts and was put on medication that didn't seem to work.  I had worked since I was 15 years old taking care of mentally challenged, being a CNA  taking care of the elderly and Then became LPN taking care of the elderly... During all that time I had to fight the depression and hospitalizations.  I had also attened a community college and graduated with honors and earned an associate's degree and then went on and got my nursing license.  It has been a tough road and I used to beat myself up because I couldn't be like  "other people".  It's difficult to try to explain to someone, who doesn't understand, as to why you are so sad and depressed.  I've felt hollow and empty alot of my life.  It's been difficult but I had a purpose in this life and that was to take care of people less "fortunate" than myself.  I had difficulty with relationships with men, because they would say that I acted like I had different personalities.  It was true that I would have mood swings but I didn't understand it.  It was very confusing to me.  Some periods in my life I would do fine, be motivated to do things, become creative, and having fun.... but, the dark times were the worst where all I could do was lay in bed and cry and force myself to go to work.  I tried to hide my illness, but people all knew there was something "wrong" with me.  I felt hopeless because all the medication I took didn't work, and I would abruptly stop taking them out of frustration and being unable to afford them, and then I would crash and be hospitalized for a suicide attempt...  I had also tried to self-medicate with alcohol but all that did was make me even more depressed as alcohol is a depressant, that's when I would try to end my life.  Ex-boyfriends called me psycho and I lost alot of friends as I had worn them out with all of my problems and worries.  I felt like giving up many times, but did not.  I had still continued to work by taking care of people and that kept me going but my father also kept me going as we shared a place together and he said that I was the reason for him to live.......  makes it kind of hard to go and kill yourself when someone is depending on you for a reason to live.  Finally it got to a point when my father said that if I was going to kill myself, to just rent a hotel room and do it there, because he was sick of worrying about coming home and finding me dead.  I know he didn't mean it, but I was burning him out along with other family members.  I felt hopeless...... It's terrible to be depressed all the time and my mind telling me I'm "no good" and "kill yourself"  I had gone to therapy and took the meds. that did not work.  It was such a struggle to endure waking up every day and thinking "Oh my God, I have another day to get through, why did I have to wake up"???   

  

Then, when I had turned 30 yrs. old, I had increased one of my meds. on my own, because I thought I knew what was best.  Because of increasing a certain antidepressant I ended up going into full blown mania and psychosis, along with delusions and hallucinations.  I actually had believed that I was the next Mother Mary who came back to earth to give birth to the next Christ Child so he could save the world. I really believed this.  I also believed that I was the chosen one and that all my sufferring was worth it if it meant I could save the world.  I was hospitalized and finally diagnosed with the "right illness"-----bipolar disorder.  I was put on mood stabilizers and antipsychotic which took me out of "it"....  I had a great treatment team and a wonderful doctor whom I'm forever greatful for.  Things did get better and I tried to return back to work as a nurse, but the stress of it made me get sicker and sicker.  I've spent numerous times in the hospital for "psychosis and mania", but fortunatley I've been regulated for over a year now.  It is scarey to be mentally ill.  I also saw angels and things that "weren't there", but I know they were there, but people don't believe me cuz I'm mentally ill.  I too also thought my husband was the devil and tried to exercise him...  I could go on more and more about my story.  Bottom line, I am on disability.  I do not feel ashamed that I can no longer work, but I have to put myself first and take care of myself.  I also feel that I've contributed to society by taking care of the "less fortunate" for 15 yrs. while having a mental illness.  I'm more gentle with myself now and I take good care of myself.  I know my warning signs and I work very hard in therapy.  The meds. seem to work, but because I have Bipolar Type 1, the antidepressants can all of a sudden stop working for some reason and then I need to go through more trials and errors.  I have a wonderful husband and three cats and a bird that I love very much.  I have a life and I am a worthy person despite having a mental illness.  My life does matter. I have good days and I have bad days.  Main thing is to take care of myself.  I don't care what people say about me for having this kind of illness because it is out of pure ignorance and fear.  The biggest challenge of all was to get my family to understand because they could be the most judgemental people, but I feel the reason I am here is to help people to become more informed.  My family are very loving and supportive now.  It can be very difficult having a family member being afflicted with a mental illness, but they are not ashamed of me and they finally understand why I acted the ways I did years ago.  I couldn't help it.  Bottom line is, people who judge or make fun of people with mental illness---think about it, you could have been randomly selected as I was to get this mental illness, and it could happen to one of your own family members or child like it happened to my mother's child.   

  

Thank God for more awareness out there.  I'm greatful they have made advancements in the field of psychiatry.  There is hope.  I hope Dr. Phil has more shows on about mental illness because the public needs to be informed.  Afterall, we are people too......................... 

 Cudos to you for sticking with it until you found the right doctor and consequently, diagnosis.  It's not easy is it?  There are good days and bad days and you just have to appreciate it when you do have a good day.  I, myself have psychosis.  I was diagnosed when I was 28 after suffering, undiagnosed for about 4 years.  I am fortunate that the medication I take completely relieves my symptoms.  I have been symptom-free now for almost eight years. 
     I am sorry to hear you are still struggling.  I guess you just have to be grateful for what you do have in your life.
     I couldn't agree more.  I am glad Dr. Phil did a show like this.
 
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