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Created on : Friday, November 18, 2005, 03:44:32 pm

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Imagine hearing voices that don’t really exist, thinking lasers are shooting through your walls or believing that people are coming into your home through electrical outlets. For people with schizophrenia, these types of delusions and paranoia are part of daily life. Mary sees angels and demons and has even believed her husband was a demon in disguise. Then, Ann Marie and Tim would give anything to help their mother. She talks emphatically to people who aren’t there and speaks nonsense to her own children. Watch her erratic behavior captured on camera and find out whether her case is beyond treatment. Plus, two sisters, Melanie and Rachel, want to know if their minds could be ticking time bombs. Talk about the show here.

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jrscobie

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November 23, 2005, 7:35 pm PST

Dr. Phil on Schizophrenia

Hello People,

We really need to rally up Dr Phil to continue with this topic. I believe it would be challenging for Dr Phil but also a tremendous fountain of information and benifitial to many.

The lady on the show was so strong to appear. Even though she knows this is a disease and the voices to us are not real, they seemed to still be real to her. She was hearing the voices on the show and Dr. Phil felt it when see stared him in the eyes.

My brother told us he was more gifted then us and could see other things we must not see. He said he can communicate with insect, animals and they watch over him. But the demons scare them away too. And if we only knew .....

Havent we seen this senario before in movies? Fantasy movies but is it real like that?

I see dead people... remember that movie, well he basically was saying the same about his illness as being a gift.

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November 23, 2005, 7:37 pm PST

Lost a good friend

I initially watched the show today, on scitzophrania, because i have a friend that has been hospitalized with it and does ok as long as his medications are monitored regularly.
I was in shock, half way through the show, to see that another friend of my past had been diagnosed with the same challenge in life. Until they showed pictures of her and her beautiful smile, when she was better, i did not even recognize her.

I knew her and her first husband, through work, and lost touch after the first time she acted out of the "normal way of behaivior".
To see her young children, now grown up, dealing with everything going on. It was a mixture of feelings. Sad to see her in this state of mind, yet happy to see her and her family gettting the help she needs.

If there is a way to get this message to the children,
Please let them know that there are others from their past that rememberthem all as a happy family and that we have all been praying for them and still will, even more, knowing that she's getting the help she needs.

I also, now, understand this challenge more so i can be a better friend to my other friend too.

Thank you Dr Phil
God Bless.

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November 23, 2005, 7:41 pm PST

Cousin Killed Self, Sister Tried and Is in a veg state on life support and Mom wants to die - ALL ARE/WERE Shizophrenic

My cousin killed herself, my sister tried and Is in a veg state on life support and now Mom wants to die - All had/have shizophrenia. This is the most horrific mental illness around. It is a living nightmare I would not wish on my worst enemy.

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November 23, 2005, 7:54 pm PST

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I have a few comments on this. My symptoms first started as insomnia. So I started taking restoril prescribed by my doctor. The insomnia didn't get better. I started to feel persecuted, and I could
feel this leaf moving around in my head that I associated with mood swings for some reason. Finally
I went to the hospital and talked to a psychologist. She had me sign a paper stating that I would see a psychiatrist. Later that night, I burned several of the papers, including the doctors she recommended. The fire alarm went off, and I thought they were going to come haul me away to the mental hospital. They didn't come. I went to see a psychiatrist and was placed on xanax, and antianxiety medication. Even with that, I couldn't sleep and was severely distressed. Finally, the doctor put me on haldol. It had pretty bad side effects, and I still wasn't sleeping. He put me on prozac. I went manic, and went off all medications, I was feeling so good. I continued to see the psychiatrist, even though I wasn't taking any medicaitons. I went through a surgery. About a month after the surgery, I closed my eyes and drove my car off the freeway. This was not a suicide attempt, but I ended up in the mental hospital and back on haldol. All this time I didn't have a real diagnosis--It takes about 6 months before they give you a schizophrenia diagnosis, probably because 1/3 recover fully and do not later require medications. You say you would be in a mental hospital. I really doubt you would be in a mental hospital if they found a medication that would treat you. I work at a full time job at a top-notch research lab. You may say that I do not have schizophrenia. However, I feel that I have a genetic component to my illness, so it is hard to deny it.
I don't have many symptoms at this time, the main one being paranoia.

My recommendation to you would be to shut up and let the people who need treatment get it. They already have enough trouble with this kind of thinking, stigma about mental illness, and denial that they have a problem. I suggest that there are many people with true mental illness, and if you think you have the solution, take one into your home and treat them.

Hi. I'm so sorry you are suffering with this illness. I have a history of depression that included a PTSD episode where I had some obsessive -compulsive issues. I saw images in my head of me cutting myself with a knife. It was very strange. I did begin to cut as well, and did so for about a year. I had some very severe behavior including a suicide attempt and spent nearly two weeks in the pysch ward of two hospital over three visits. It's a very strange thing to feel so completely out of control of your own mind. That all said - what I expereinced is nothing compared to schizophrenia. It's s o terribly difficult. I wonder though if anyone has ever discussed a bi-polar diagnosis with you. Bi-polar often includes insomnia, mania, paranoia, anxiety. Mania can also be triggered by taking an SSRI - like prozac. You didn't mention if youhear voices or see things, but even those things can be associated with extreme mania. I wonder if perhaps you are being incorrectly medicated. Check out some bi-polar web sites and see if those symptoms fit you better and be sure to talk to your therapist. I don't mean to presumme or act like I know everything, but I have some bi-polar symptoms as well and know a lot about it. Also, my own experience in therapy, with doctors, and in the hospital tells me that it can be very hard to get correctly diagnoised. The main thing is - don't give up.

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November 23, 2005, 7:56 pm PST

11/23 Schizophrenia

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My cousin killed herself, my sister tried and Is in a veg state on life support and now Mom wants to die - All had/have shizophrenia. This is the most horrific mental illness around. It is a living nightmare I would not wish on my worst enemy.

Sorry to hear, thats so terrible. You have this disease in your family too eh like me. Mostly the girls too like us. What you wrote is something i fear sooo much about my little brother.

Sorry

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November 23, 2005, 8:00 pm PST

Demon questions

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I don't disregard actual chemical and medical conditions, though I don't know a whole lot about them. What I do know alot is the bible and it seems to me that the first guest on the show is dealing with demon possession. I was just wondering if the woman who was the first guest who hears demons all the time has sought spiritual help from someone who is well educated in the bible and demon possession. Have you ever heard of a gentleman by the name of Bob Larson. He is extremely experienced in the topic of demon possession and exorcism. He is a Christian man and I have seen him cast demons out of people and it is not like what you see in the Hollywood versions with Catholic priests. If you have never heard of him or any of his research, you should at least visit his website boblarson.org and look into it, because not all things are medical.... some problems really are spiritual... and you won't hear that from most doctors or psychologists. God bless you.

Look up Dr. STeve Waterhouse of Amarillo, TX for demon possession definitions. He is a minister and has the most logical and biblical explanations I've ever seen. He explains that demons want nothing to do with GOd and religion, and that is not the case with most schizophrenics. Demons talk rationally, schizophrenics are very irrational, and have disorganized thoughts. There is supernatural knowledge given by demons, not so with a person with a brain disease.This is all info from his books- "Strength for His People". He has a brother with schizophrenia.

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November 23, 2005, 8:01 pm PST

How long does it take to get know

HI there, my name is Mimi. I have been in relationship almost a year but we both knew we won’t be together in life time because we had different religion then we had to sit down and break it off because I didn’t want to change my religion and he didn’t want to change either. After that I promised myself to not involve in relationship because all I want to do finishing my University and concentrate life after 5 years what I will be doing or where I will be. Now I have been dating my boyfriend for about 3 months. I had known him for a couple months before we started dating because of mutual friends now We hardly see each other. But Every time we close by I am falling for him but on the other hand I get scare because I don’t want to be hurt and I don’t want to bad things to happen. Normally I am strong person I faced a problem I don’t hate failure. I believe relationship has never been an easy thing I also know relationships are built on Friendship, Trust and Love that’s why I gave him my self and following my heart that he is the one. I have been faithful to him and opening my self to him but I don’t know if he is doing the same thing my question is I get scared with out a reason don’t know why or am I being naive? Please give me your advice mimi !!!

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November 23, 2005, 8:02 pm PST

Our journey into darkness

In 1995 our son had a pyschotic break, he was 29, a husband and father of their 7 children. He had moved to Washington state to begin a new job. His wife had just given birth to their 6th child the day before the move. My husband and I and our son-in-law helped them move. Six weeks later I got a call from our son asking me to find him a lawyer. He said their house was bugged and people were watching him. He was very frightened. My husband flew up to Wa. that night. His wife was crying and scared that he was going to commit suicide. My husband drove them back to our home (21 hour drive). It was very stressful When they arrived he was nervous and suspicious of everything. We tried to have him admitted to a hospital but they said he had to be harmful to himself or others. We took him back to our home and later that night he turned and looked at me and shouted "You aren't my mother!" and punched me in the face and knocked me to the floor. His wife screamed as he started to kick me and he ran out of the house. My husband locked the door and he broke a window. To make a long story short he was taken to a hospital, where he was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. I cried for 3 hours...and so did his wife. We all tried to live with this illness. Our son was in and out of hospitals, given too low a dose of meds and because he didn't think he needed them he would hide the pills. He is a very brilliant young man and could hold down a prestigious job...until the stress got to be too much for him. He just got worse and worse and would threaten us and his wife and children. We would have to leave for days at a time when he got paranoid. His wife was an angel. She stayed with him and even moved to NV. to show him support in a new job. It didn't work. She had to separate from him. Eventually, we found out he was stalking a girl he went to High School with. It took breaking into this girls home to get him help. Unfortunately he was sentenced to 16 years in a State Mental Hospital (unfortunately, because his wife and children had no means of support--can't even get Social Security for the children), The fortunate part is that we know where he is and that he is safe. We are helping raise his 7 children. It has been the hardest and saddest event in all of our lives. It seems so hopeless and heartbreaking.

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November 23, 2005, 8:04 pm PST

Spiritual Connection

Wow!, I consider myself an average person, but have never written into a show before. I'll just cut to the chase. " Does it seem odd that the voices are mostly demonic and pertain to killing and destroying? I'm wondering if schizophrenia is a special connection between spiritual and physical where someone may be experiencing demonic attacks! Dr. Phil suggested that it is merely a mind mental condition that needed to be controlled with drugs; but that would suggest no outside influences. Are we so sure? I would suggest that if it isn't; Why don't schizophrenics suffer from delusions of benevolence, or hear good voices, that invoke Love, giving, caring, and peace.. Just an observation! I was looking for the other side of the story and didn't see it...

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November 23, 2005, 8:09 pm PST

Thank you...

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Sorry to hear, thats so terrible. You have this disease in your family too eh like me. Mostly the girls too like us. What you wrote is something i fear sooo much about my little brother.

Sorry

Thank you for your sympathy. Almost all, if not all of my friends or associates are clueless about this illness, therefore I have been feeling left alone in this mess. Thank you for listening to me as well. I truly hope your brother is one of the luckier ones who can lead a closer to normal life. From what I have read a percentage may only have one bout and others just a few, other lower levels of this illness and other it is a never ending ongoing nightmare. I think the last one is about 35% percent rate. So, actually the odds are in your bros favor. I wish you the best... :)

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