Topic : 11/23 Schizophrenia

That would be nice if it were true, however it is not true. The drug companies can write the label however they want, create a list of side effects to study however they want, etc. It is the drug companies that create the protocol for efficacy guidelines, things to look for in the study, etc. They write their own questionnaires and have their employees study the data that they pay doctors to collect. And they also pay the FDA to conduct an approval process for each new drug. Part of the reason they list so many side effects that are irrelevant is to confuse the reader of the label and make them all seem insignificant and unrelated. If a person takes Zoloft and gets a hangnail they will put it on there. But if they take Zoloft and go out and murder someone they will not put it on the label. They will either exclude that person from their clinical trial data, or list it under side effect of depression or no effect. 

If this were true that they HAVE TO INFORM US OF THE SIDE EFFECTS of their products, then they would never have been able to scratch off the main side effect of Prozac from the label proposals right before release - DEPRESSION is one of the main side effects of Prozac but it was scratched off by a high up exec at the last minute with no explanation. 

They also would not be able to skirt the issue of suicidality and homicidality, causing metabolism disorders, alcohol cravings, causing bipolar disorder, causing hallucinations, etc. Currently the warning on Zoloft and other meds say things like: (and I am summarizing) 

"Patients need to be observed for changes in mood and behavior and thoughts of suicide when starting this medication or increasing the dose. Depressed patients often experience suicidal thinking. 

If you experience changes in mood or behavior or have strange thoughts talk to your doctor right away. Depressed patients sometimes commit suicide. Zoloft increses these thoughts and behaviors in some children and teens. 

If you have a history of bipolar disorder or certain metabolism disorders use caution when taking this medication... 

Do not use this medication with alcohol." 

But do they come out and admit that some medicated people would never murder, commit suicide, develop diabetes or hypothyroioidism, drink alcohol, or develop anorexia, or severe mental illnesses if they never took their drugs? No, they don't. Instead they tell you that you were going to be that way anyway and their drug had no part in it. 

Please see www.breggin.com 

Watch and listen to the International Tribunal to learn the truth. It is a very large file and might take a long time to open if you don't have high speed internet service. 

http://www.freedom-of-thought.de/videos/video3.wmv 

If you want to D/L the tribunal at a later time save this link to your favorites. 

http://www.freedom-of-thought.de/videos/ 

It's a hard road - knowing that the meds the pharmaceutical companies produce are not all safe. You have to choose between the side effects and the original illness. For me, my original condition was preferable to the side effects of Zoloft. I would rather be worried or anxious than suicidal and homicidal. 

I think doctors are not necessarily evil but they are for the most part arrogant, uninformed and dismissive of the side effects of meds. 

For example recently I had to take Prednisone, and I became very ill with chest pain and shortness of breath. I had to call the doc twice to ask for advice. The first time nobody answered and I got voice mail, I left a message and no one called back. The second time a few days later I called and said I really needed to talk to someone as they hadn't called me back earlier. THe nurse told me to taper off becuase of the chest pain. Had this been Zoloft and not prednisone they would have put me in the psych unit. It's all about stigma, and even docs apply stigma and make generalizations. 

Another example: my SIL's doctor told her to take Concerta instead of Ritalin because she didn't like Ritalin. My MIL complains about how expensive the meds are but when I told her Ritalin and Concerta have the same ingredient she got defensive and said she trusts her doctor of 27 years and that he knows what he is talking about and that Concerta is a different family of drugs and how dare I question that. 

But actually they are both methylphenidate, but Concerta is an extended release version so you don't have to take 3 pills a day. I am certain that the doc told her it was a different family because there's no other treatment for ADHD, except drugs that she had tried and quit due to side effects, like Adderal, which was just banned in Canada, and Strattera, which is too close to the antidepressant med she takes for the side effects of Ritalin, and he just wanted to keep her on meds and get his kickbacks from the pharmaceutical company for the "new" more expensive Ritalin at the same time. 

So the point is that doctors basically do their job of prescribing medications. That's their main job. 

They don't really take the time to help you make a good choice for yourself and they take no responsibility for the consequences. 

As I watched the show about schizophrenia and read many message, tears ran down my cheeks.  I would first like to say to Mary, your are wonderful, keep up the good work, and you are in my prayers.  I sympathize with all the people who are suffering or have family members suffering with this terrible illness.  My son was diagnosed with schizophrenia at age 21, after getting in trouble with the law (because of voices telling him what to do), and trying to commit suicide.  He was hospitalized after first being treated as an outpatient for months.  He did well for six years and approximately a year and half ago, while visiting his doctor, the doctor asked him if he heard voices, was he paranoid, etc.  My sons reply was no.  The doctor asked him then why are you on this medication and proceeded to tell him all the side effects.  Needless to say, my son quit taking his medicine that day.  He went from a loving husband, father, and son that provided for his family, had a nice home, truck, good job to having nothing.  (Tomorrow he is being evicted from his home, which he has all but destroyed.)  He thinks people are watching him, he doesn't eat, he has became so violent that his wife  and child had to leave him and he drinks way too much.  When we try to get the local authorities to help with him, they want to say he is on drugs and we hear the same story many of you do. WE CAN'T do anything until he hurts himself or someone, or does something wrong.  I think the only thing that is keeping my son alive is all the prayers that are being sent up for him.  I never even knew such a illness existed until my son was diagnosed.  He is in total denial and claims that every one thinks he crazy.  I don't think my son is crazy, he is very smart, good looking and until this sickness hit him was very loving.  I know first hand that this illness will destroy close families and is very devastating if not treated.   I am thankful to Dr. Phil for airing this show.  While I know how much it has changed my son, the graphics made things so much clearer to me. ( of course it breaks my heart that my son is going through that and I can't help him). I pray for each of you that is going through this and hope you will do the same for my son.   

His paranoias are real, but he is not understanding the nature of them, or the cause. He is reacting to the fears he is feeling through; for lack of better terms a psychic/paranormal/instinctual connection that he does not understand, or know how to deal with. In addition his intellect is reacting break apart the brainwashing we have all been subjected to all our lives from television as well as various and other mediums. 

The only way out of this condition is to wade through the research and destroy the brainwashing and free the mind. 

His perception that you and everyone else is crazy is due to the fact that the majority of normals are completely and utterly brainwashed and unaware of the insidious nature of what is being done to us to bring about the New World Order that is more often refered to publicly as Globalization. 

An integral part of this agenda is the psychiatric classification and drugging of people who begin to wake up to the truth; as people do not wake up all at once they initially seem to be suffering what is being termed a mental illness. 

The drugs suppress the process of transformation which is the process of waking up from the trance we have all been lulled into. 

MIND MATTERS, a unique educational program on VoiceAmerica internet radio every Monday morning at 11:00 a.m., takes a critical look at conventional ideas in mental health.  

http://www.mindmattersradio.com/index.html 

These topics can be listened to at your leisure from the above link. 

Alternatives to Medication for Kids' Emotional and Behavioral Problems (Part 1 of 2) 5-23-05

Alternatives to Medication for Kids' Emotional and Behavioral Problems (Part 2 of 2) 5-30-05

Bipolar Disorder: The Latest Catchall Psychiatric Label? with Drs. Foltz & Sparks 6-6-05

The Disorder of Diagnosis: Labeling Personal Problems or Medical Diseases? Guests: Gretchen LeFever, Ph.D. Larry Simon, Ph.D.

Mass Mental Health Screenings for All Americans: Who Really Benefits? 6-20-05

Depression: Brain Disease or Normal Reaction to Life? With Dr. Bruce Levine; Harmful Effects of Psychiatric Diagnosis with Dr. Paula Caplan 6-27-05

Chemical Imbalance: Science or Science Fiction? 7-11-05

Is Tom Cruise Right? 7-18-05

Schizophrenia: Facts and Fictions 7-25-05

Meet the Hosts of Mind Matters 8-1-05

Genetics and Mental Distress: Is It All Really In Our Genes? 8-8-05

Creating Consumer-Driven Mental Health Services 8-15-05
 

Many people have many diffrent ideas about schizophrenia. I thought I would sugest one that Dr. Phil should be able to do something about! 

I know that I have had a lot of problems with "Double Binds" for a long time, and I have only found a few people that I think that could help people that have problems with them, I think that Dr. Phil can help people that have this problem. I do not think that "meds" would help people that have problems with "Double Binds" as much as "talk therapy" would, This theory is over 20 years old and not that many people understand it.  

I would like to find out if Dr. Phil can help others with this problem! 

hi annadine and deva201 

i still cant figure  out how to work this quote, and re-quoet, systom, on belief net you domt need a title. 

try to get this out with out , messing it up again 

was walking accross campus, between the libuary and the student union , when i heard a voce say[ kill your self, kill your self] ,wich was rediculous because , i had no thoughts of it befor and no means or desire to do so. i proceded to the second level of the student union, were i happend to see a friend of mine. 

i told him that i heard a voice say [ kill yor self]  

he said he saw a [ghost animal] near me and,,,, did i want him to[ knock of my pet]???? 

he KNOCKED THE ---ENTITY---OVER IN TO THE CORNER 

i said yes and [ it is  NOT MY PET]  ha ha ha, a bit confused at his terms 

he said that --he would call on god--to help us. 

we both stood in silence, and to our amasment, some thing started to apear. 

my friend said -----god  is hear!!------can you see  it???? 

no i cant see it, but i can [know it]   and    i  CAN ----FEEL----PURE-------J  O  Y  !!!!!!!! 

WE WERE BOTH AT ----AWWWWH    

after about 5 minuts the    PUR JOY FORCE, DISIPATED  

and we left...was a littel bit more , but it illrelivant 

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the point i am making , that some people .......are more open-----to -----seeing things---feeling thing------than the avarage person. that its not abnormal to see and feel things that are [not suposedly there].      YOU CANT SEE ....[MAGNETIC---WAVES], BUT THEY ARE THERE, YOU CANT SEE THE AIR---BUT ITS THERE, YOU CANT SEE ---GRAVITY---BUT IT THERE. 

certian people called       SIN---AH----STIETS, can hear [colors] and see[music], this is a sientificaly proven condition.    so i agree with you that.....that there is a lot out there that we dont know. 

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and  you need to tell the [ bumps in the night] .....to BUZZ OFF!!!!!!!, AND GET THERE OWN LIFE. 

GHOSTS , BUG ME , A LOT OF THE TIME,  i just tell them to buzz off, this is [ MY LIFE ] NOT YOUR LIFE.....some time they listen , some time they dont.....but my ghosts are not harmful., JUST IRRITATING. ha ha ha ha . 

hope this helps...like   deva210...post allso 

peace and light 

om mother life force 

om goddess of avalon 

only one life force 

om......fred12....................................]