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Imagine hearing voices that don’t really exist, thinking lasers are shooting through your walls or believing that people are coming into your home through electrical outlets. For people with schizophrenia, these types of delusions and paranoia are part of daily life. Mary sees angels and demons and has even believed her husband was a demon in disguise. Then, Ann Marie and Tim would give anything to help their mother. She talks emphatically to people who aren’t there and speaks nonsense to her own children. Watch her erratic behavior captured on camera and find out whether her case is beyond treatment. Plus, two sisters, Melanie and Rachel, want to know if their minds could be ticking time bombs. Talk about the show here.

 

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November 29, 2005, 12:24 am PST

shizoprenia or spiritual emergency

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I wanted to share my experience.  I have experienced similar phenomena as Mary but I am NOT schizophrenic rather I have psychic abilities.  All of these experiences are real just at another level or in another realm.  Some people are naturally very receptive and ready to deal with the spiritual realm which is much misunderstood.  I used to see people's shadow sides which can look like demons.  Seek the assistance of a Reiki specialist or spiritual healer who understands this type of phenomena.  Just like Mary, you probably have no protection and "the gift."  Get help not drugs.  In the human enery system, the first chakra is probably blocked and the seventh chakra blew wide open.  Now more receptive, bothersome beings could be disturbing you and you need help navigating the spiritual realm rather than suppressing it with drugs.  Most are not ready to experience what you are but ready or not you are experiencing the spiritual realm.  It is normal and with spiritual assistance you can be fine.  If you harbor a lot of fear then similar energy beings will find it fun to mess with you.  They are like bothersome neighbors and are most likely afraid of your light but drawn to it.  Once you understand the spirit realm better, they will find it less fun to bother you.  Get spiritual assistance as society does not understand this phenomena very well.  There is a lot of great information available on the internet.  More people are starting to awaken.  To think, there are other people that think it normal to hear voices, you are just teaching others through you experience to be less afraid when they are ready to awaken to the Truth.  There is another realm out there.  It is a gift and though it does not come with an owner's manual, get some spiritual assistance so that you are not afraid of your light.  I sympathize with you but there are people that understand this phenomena.  I just wanted to relate and shed some light on the situation.  I know people will disagree with this and are still sleeping and afraid of their own light but I had to share my Truth.  Blessings to all.  In Light there is no Darkness.
 
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November 29, 2005, 12:37 am PST

schizophrenia or spiritual emergency

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I wanted to share my experience.  I have experienced similar phenomena as Mary but I am NOT schizophrenic rather I have psychic abilities.  All of these experiences are real just at another level or in another realm.  Some people are naturally very receptive and ready to deal with the spiritual realm which is much misunderstood.  I used to see people's shadow sides which can look like demons.  Seek the assistance of a Reiki specialist or spiritual healer who understands this type of phenomena.  Just like Mary, you probably have no protection and "the gift."  Get help not drugs.  In the human enery system, the first chakra is probably blocked and the seventh chakra blew wide open.  Now more receptive, bothersome beings could be disturbing you and you need help navigating the spiritual realm rather than suppressing it with drugs.  Most are not ready to experience what you are but ready or not you are experiencing the spiritual realm.  It is normal and with spiritual assistance you can be fine.  If you harbor a lot of fear then similar energy beings will find it fun to mess with you.  They are like bothersome neighbors and are most likely afraid of your light but drawn to it.  Once you understand the spirit realm better, they will find it less fun to bother you.  Get spiritual assistance as society does not understand this phenomena very well.  There is a lot of great information available on the internet.  More people are starting to awaken.  To think, there are other people that think it normal to hear voices, you are just teaching others through you experience to be less afraid when they are ready to awaken to the Truth.  There is another realm out there.  It is a gift and though it does not come with an owner's manual, get some spiritual assistance so that you are not afraid of your light.  I sympathize with you but there are people that understand this phenomena.  I just wanted to relate and shed some light on the situation.  I know people will disagree with this and are still sleeping and afraid of their own light but I had to share my Truth.  Blessings to all.  In Light there is no Darkness.

hi dava210 

  

realy like you post.......and it is a [GIFT],, a friend of mine , told a psychologist, that [AFTER DRINKING HER FIRST...BEER. THAT SHE FELT LIKE SHE WAS LEAVING HER BODY]. 

  

naturaly they  started druging her on . HALADAL ADAVAN,...WHO KNOWS WHAT ELSE....SHE WAS A [DOOOLING ZOMBY] ...UN TILL CROZERIL...CLOSIPIN. she still hears voises[ bad voises], but she wasnt mesed up......un till they  STARTED DRUGING HER , OUT OF HER MIND. 

  

iv tryed to help, , but she [believes she is sick] now .....and drugs are her saviors....ITS  SAD 

  

, just because she told the wrong person that she [thought]....mabe.....posibly.....[ THAT SHE WAS LEAVING HER BODY....NOW SHE HAS A LIFE TIME OF SUFFERING. 

  

peace and light 

  

om mother life force 

om goddess of avalon 

  

only one life force 

  

om    ........fred12 

 
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November 29, 2005, 1:04 am PST

cemical in blance thrie

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Chemical imbalance is a simplification of the language sometimes used by drug companies [1 in the United States in advertising and consumer literature for psychoactive drugs after deregulation of pharmaceutical advertising. The term has its origins in the 'chemical hypothesis', which refers to a simplification of the series of hypothesised neurochemical changes thought to partially underly mental illness. This term is most often used by groups critical of the pharmaceutical treatment of mental illness [2

  

Chemical imbalance theory is not a scientific theory, but refers to the lay conception of a theory generated by the use of the term 'chemical imbalance'. Current research in neuroscience does indicate roles for changes in the operation of neurotransmitters in the brain, and changes in neurons and neural structure in the pathophysiology of mental illness, but current models are more complex than simple chemical balances/imbalances. Causality (i.e. whether neurotransmitter changes cause mental illness or whether mental illness affects neurotransmitter levels) is uncertain. 

  

Changes in levels of neurotransmitters and other neural level phenomena are hypothesised to be the underlying psychopathology for certain mental illnesses, notably clinical depression and schizophrenia. In 1965, Joseph Schildkraut hypothesized that depression was associated with low levels of norepinephrine in the brain, and later researchers thought serotonin might be the culprit.[3 Initially, relatively simple changes in the level of these neurotransmitters were thought to be found in individuals with depression. However, advanced findings began to fine tune the more simple explanations. For example, certain drugs used to treat depression were found to change the levels of neurotransmitters for several days, but then return to normal, well before any effect was observed on the depressive episode. Such findings implicate more complex mechanisms, such as changes in neurotransmitter production, transmission, re-uptake, and neural sensitivity. 

In addition to depression, changes in levels of neurotransmitters have also been implicates in anxiety disorders, bipolar disorder (manic depressive disorder), schizophrenia, and Parkinson's disease. As well as changes in serotonin and norepinephrine, dopamine systems have also been considered. 

  

So, while all biology is essentially chemical in nature, rather than being caused by simple chemical imbalances, mental illness is now widely recognized to be caused by complex and, in many cases, as yet unknown factors. 

  

Critics of the claims by pharmaceutical companies that their drugs 'correct' chemical imbalances in the brain contend drug treatments, intended to alter neurochemical processes by manipulating neurotransmitter levels, are neither an efficacious nor scientifically sound method for improving mental health, noting the enormous number of different chemicals and their unknown interactions. Moreover, critics assert, the psychiatric establishment assumes patients having a ‘mental illness’ must have a ‘chemical imbalance’ in their brain, as subjective diagnostic checklists are used in lieu of actual medical tests. This may not be so relevant to more recent graduates, who should be aware of the current state of neuroscience research. 

  

Even if neurological and neurochemical differences are associated with certain behaviors, the practice of pathologizing these behaviours has been questioned. Because neural mechanisms imply a physiological pathology underlying mental illnesses, they appear to justify the use of medication in treatment. Critics argue that the legitimacy given to medication by neural mechanisms can lead to an over-reliance on medication. Similarly, the perceived efficacy of medication as a treatment implies an underlying neural mechanism. A further issue is the extent to which research into neural mechanisms and the efficacy of medication is funding by pharmaceutical companies, who have an obvious vested interest in the use of medication. 

The chemical imbalance theory, according to critics, is routinely presented as ‘fact’ so often it has become widely accepted as fact, despite having been challenged repeatedly.  

  

The Pfizer drug company has been promoting Zoloft for years with saturation marketing, in print, on television, and on the radio, starring a miserably depressed ovoid creature. The ads assert mental illness may be due to a chemical imbalance in the brain, and that "Zoloft works to correct this imbalance." Without mentioning its own name, Eli Lilly urges viewers to seek treatment for depression, and to visit their website, DepressionHurts.com, because "Many researchers believe depression is caused by an imbalance of naturally occurring chemicals, serotonin and norepinephrine, in the brain and the body." 

  

According to Jaelline Jaffe and Jeanne Segal, "The misconception the commercials foster is that the brain somehow develops a chemical imbalance and the result is depression, occurring in a single directional process. In fact, the relationship between brain chemistry and experience is a two-directional phenomenon: Life experience affects brain chemistry at least as much as brain chemistry affects life experience. The 'chemical imbalance' hypothesis is not wrong. It's just not entirely correct." 

  

Psychiatric diagnostic practices in the United States have come under sharp criticism for reliance upon the chemical imbalance theory rather than actual medical testing. For example, in a Florida psychiatric hospital study from the 1980s, one hundred patients diagnosed with a mental illness were subsequently given a complete medical exam, after which it was discovered nearly half of the patients’ psychiatric problems were secondary manifestations of an undiagnosed medical problem.[4 Most, if not all hospitals in the United States currently require a medical exam be done on all patients admitted to an inpatient psychiatric unit. The author of the study, psychiatrist Mark Gold, remains a strong advocate that addiction and psychiatric disorders are rooted in complex chemical imbalances and effective treatment is available from various drug treatments, whether voluntary or involuntary, an opinion that he shares with the majority of the medical community. 


Further controversy is engendered by the links between some critics of psychiatry and the Church of Scientology. While Anti-psychiatry is not equivalent to Scientology, Scientology maintains several organizations like the Citizens Commission on Human Rights which have been outspoken critics of the biological basis of mental illness, sponsoring websites critical of "chemical imbalance" [5[6. There may exist a conflict of interest as Scientology advocates and sells an alternative and expensive non-pharmacological treatment known as Dianetics

  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_imbalance_theory 

thanks tom pain for the info 

  

lot to look up......MAKES NO SENCE ....EVERY SCHIZIIFRENIC THAT I KNOW, HAS BEEN THOUGH EVERY PILL IN THE [SCHIZIOPHRENIC  BOOK] AND THEY ARE STILL NOT BETTER. 

  

IF IT WERE A SPECIFIC BRAIN CEMICAL....AND YOU GAVE IT TO THEM THEY WOULD BE [CURED]...BUT THERE  NOT...THERE JUST GUINY PIGS , FOR THE NEWES DESINER DRUG. 

  

VITIMIN -C , CURSE SCERVY 

  

HALADAL. MAKES YOU A DROOOLING , ZOMBY....IT DOSNT CURE ANY THING,IT JUST BLUNTS THERE ....AFECT...OR SOME SUCH THERIE. 

  

I WANT TO SEE A CURE......NOT A LIFE TIME OF DRUG DEPENDENCE!!!!!!!! 

  

TO MAKE THE DRUG COMPANYS RICH-----ER   :( 

  

PEACE  

  

OM MOTHER LIFE FORCE 

OM GODDESS OF AVALON 

  

ONLY ONE LIFE FORCE 

  

OM........... FRED12        THANK YOU AGAIN!!!!!!!!!! 

 
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November 29, 2005, 4:25 am PST

Gregory Bateson's Double-Bind Theory of Schizophrenia

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Many people have many diffrent ideas about schizophrenia. I thought I would sugest one that Dr. Phil should be able to do something about! 

  

I know that I have had a lot of problems with "Double Binds" for a long time, and I have only found a few people that I think that could help people that have problems with them, I think that Dr. Phil can help people that have this problem. I do not think that "meds" would help people that have problems with "Double Binds" as much as "talk therapy" would, This theory is over 20 years old and not that many people understand it.  

  

I would like to find out if Dr. Phil can help others with this problem! 

 Gregory Bateson's Double-Bind Theory of Schizophrenia 

  

 A revision was done in the 1980's the first one was done in the mid 1950's. So the theory's been around about 50 years! 

  

 "In the mid nineteen-fifties, Gregory Bateson and his coworkers articulated a theory of schizophrenia called double bind theory, which argues that symptoms of schizophrenia are related to the internalization of conflicting patterns of interaction within the family." 

  

 I know that even if I am cured of my double_bind problem that I still have this condition called paranoid schizo_affective disorder! I have been working on this idea of a cure for double-binds for some time and I think I may have found something that works, at least for me it does! But what do I know I only have the condition! 

 
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November 29, 2005, 4:26 am PST

alcohol, drugs to escape

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His paranoias are real, but he is not understanding the nature of them, or the cause. He is reacting to the fears he is feeling through; for lack of better terms a psychic/paranormal/instinctual connection that he does not understand, or know how to deal with. In addition his intellect is reacting break apart the brainwashing we have all been subjected to all our lives from television as well as various and other mediums. 

  

The only way out of this condition is to wade through the research and destroy the brainwashing and free the mind. 

  

His perception that you and everyone else is crazy is due to the fact that the majority of normals are completely and utterly brainwashed and unaware of the insidious nature of what is being done to us to bring about the New World Order that is more often refered to publicly as Globalization. 

  

An integral part of this agenda is the psychiatric classification and drugging of people who begin to wake up to the truth; as people do not wake up all at once they initially seem to be suffering what is being termed a mental illness. 

  

The drugs suppress the process of transformation which is the process of waking up from the trance we have all been lulled into. 

  

  

You yourself said your son was taking alcohol--You know that, think of what else you don't know.
 
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November 29, 2005, 6:53 am PST

Lifelong Illness

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As I watched the show about schizophrenia and read many message, tears ran down my cheeks.  I would first like to say to Mary, your are wonderful, keep up the good work, and you are in my prayers.  I sympathize with all the people who are suffering or have family members suffering with this terrible illness.  My son was diagnosed with schizophrenia at age 21, after getting in trouble with the law (because of voices telling him what to do), and trying to commit suicide.  He was hospitalized after first being treated as an outpatient for months.  He did well for six years and approximately a year and half ago, while visiting his doctor, the doctor asked him if he heard voices, was he paranoid, etc.  My sons reply was no.  The doctor asked him then why are you on this medication and proceeded to tell him all the side effects.  Needless to say, my son quit taking his medicine that day.  He went from a loving husband, father, and son that provided for his family, had a nice home, truck, good job to having nothing.  (Tomorrow he is being evicted from his home, which he has all but destroyed.)  He thinks people are watching him, he doesn't eat, he has became so violent that his wife  and child had to leave him and he drinks way too much.  When we try to get the local authorities to help with him, they want to say he is on drugs and we hear the same story many of you do. WE CAN'T do anything until he hurts himself or someone, or does something wrong.  I think the only thing that is keeping my son alive is all the prayers that are being sent up for him.  I never even knew such a illness existed until my son was diagnosed.  He is in total denial and claims that every one thinks he crazy.  I don't think my son is crazy, he is very smart, good looking and until this sickness hit him was very loving.  I know first hand that this illness will destroy close families and is very devastating if not treated.   I am thankful to Dr. Phil for airing this show.  While I know how much it has changed my son, the graphics made things so much clearer to me. ( of course it breaks my heart that my son is going through that and I can't help him). I pray for each of you that is going through this and hope you will do the same for my son.   

I would like to add some things to this discussion.My life has been very much like Mary's who appeard on the Dr. Phil Show. I understand completely what Mary has been going through because it was a near repeat of my experiences. The major difference is that I've been living with this illness for over 30 years.=====After my first complete psychotic break which lasted for nearly two weeks, I was terrified. I had literally "lost my mind" and have no memory whatsoever of those two weeks. Supportive friends and family closed ranks around me and protected me from the outside world as I began this unwanted journey/intrusion into my life. Shorter complete psychotic breaks followed at intervals.=====I was under the care of a superior physician-psychiatrist for the first three years. During that time, the doctor prescribed every available medication for me. The medications reacted strangely or not at all with each trial. The doctor I was seeing during those three years was perplexed, but he hypothesized that I had an enzyme deficieny which undermined the effects of the drugs we kept trying. The drugs included the entire spectrum of anti-psychotics and anti-depressants.=====Basically, I was left to battle this disease on my own with years of psycho-therapy that helped me a great deal. From my experience, I have learned that my body's chemistry has something missing that does not allow it to process medications properly.===== Therefore, I am very limited in what few drugs offer me help.=====Like Mary, I have seen "insects" crawling around on countertops. Of course they were visual hallucinations. Like Mary, I hear voices constantly. Like Mary, I've held a fulltime career and achieved my dreams to a level I'd hoped for.=====I refer to the voices I hear as "that radio in my head which won't shut up". I've become very adept at trying to discern whether someone is really speaking to me or if the voice is internal. Fortunately, to the outside world I can say, "I didn't hear you" if I ignore a real voice. That's a lot easier than answering a phantom voice and trying to explain to people I don't know well that I "distinctly" heard their voice in my head. :)=====To the mother of the son, I'd like to give encouragement that there is hope for your son. Although I am not medically qualified to offer any advice, please ask your son's physician if the drug Risperdal might help him a little.=====I am thankful that Dr. Phil chose to break the silence of this illness on his show. I've been writing a book about my journey with this very illness. I have trepidations that a personal journey book such as this might not be accepted. But after having lived my life as fully as I could, I think it would surprise and perhaps shock some of the people with whom I have successfully interacted over decades.=====It is my hope that Mary will read my message as I've walked fully in her shoes.
 
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November 29, 2005, 10:12 am PST

THE BONDAGE BREAKER

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My sister was just diagnosed with this illness.  It has been hard to accept, especially when she is doing odd things.  It started out with her believing in this cultish religion having to do with "twin flames" and "spirit guides".  I tried to talk her into getting help, but it didn't work.  Her husband finally got her to a hospital, but he had to lie and say there was a priest there who would do an excorsism on her.  She believed/s that she was/is possessed by an evil spirit after she did some ritual to call her spirit guide into her body.  This illness is very frustrating and scary.  My Aunt also has it, so I grew up around it, and I know how to deal with some of it.  She has had the illness for over 20 years.  Now she is in a good place, she lives on her own, does her own thing, and is generally happy.  She understands her illness, unlike my sister who still is in denial.  I do worry that I may have it sometime in the future, or that my kids may, since it is genetic.  But I will cross that road if it comes.  I saw that my chances are pretty slim, which is good, about 9% or something like that.  I wish they had some dna testing they could do, cause I would like to know.   

I hate the sterotype about people with this.  It doesn't cause violence, it's not a reason people with it become violent.  There are a lot of great web sites out there that give the facts.  I know a lot of people who automatically assume they are not safe around my family members, and that is sad.   

Anyway, my sister was in a mental institution for nearly 6 months.  She was on so many different medications, sometimes the meds seem worse than the illness, with all the side effects she had.  I may be seeing her this week, she lives quite a distance away from me, so I will be able to see if she is doing any better.  I can't really picture her with it yet, so I need to see her for myself I guess.   

It is one of the hardest things to go through, it's almost like the family member dies, because you have to say things like, "remember when she would do this before..."  or "She was so funny/talented/etc before..."  Just watching someone I love go through this kills a little bit of me each day.   

I hope everyone who has this in their family, and everyone who has it, can find peace in their lives.  Don't let it get you, you can still be a productive member of society, you can still do anything that you want, as long as you learn about the illness, and listen to the doctor, and believe in yourself.   

  

 Thanks for your post. I found it very interesting to hear about your sister and relating her symptoms to things I saw on the Dr. Phil show. I have no idea what your faith is, but I would love to recommend a great book to you. The Bondage Breaker, by Neil Anderson, talks about schizophrenia, among other topics. The book is about spiritual warfare and the oppression the enemy can have on so many of us. This may open some doors for you and your family. I will be praying that your sister's situation improves.
 
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November 29, 2005, 10:17 am PST

Mary-have you read The Bondage Breaker

 Mary, your story is fascinating. I noticed in the video clips you are holding the Bible. I can only speculate that you adhere to some sort of religion. However, that is only speculation. The symptoms you describe are so disturbing due to the reality of spiritual warfare. Dr. Phil said on the show your problem has nothing to do  with the spiritual realm, but I would disagree. I would definitely recommend you visit a Christian counselor and read The Bondage Breaker. Let Christ set you free, sweet girl. You need to get out of the bondage you are suffering from. I have been praying for you sweet lady!
 
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November 29, 2005, 10:22 am PST

So true

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I am a Christian and I still had thoughts that made me feel like there was a war between the demons and angels (induced by Zoloft). The only way I got through that time was prayer, counseling, relaxation, meditation, positive thinking,  reading self help books, etc.  

  

But I don't agree that if you are a Christian you are immune from mental illness, or demonic possession for that matter. I have a friend who is a former missionary who has severe mental illness, dissociative identity disorder (formerly multiple personality disorder), brought on by stress of abuse and rape and molestation. 

  

The brain and the body are complicated, and your 3 part theory sounds nice but then you dismiss the body part completely. Just being a Christian, or any religion for that matter, doesn't make mental illness go away. And call it what you want, but we all need to take a holistic approach that includes the possiblility that angels and demons are real, that includes treating the body as well as the spirit, that includes counseling, emotional and family support, physical support (being there, cooking healthy meals, doing things fun together, exercise). 

  

In this study it shows how exercise did better than medication or medication plus exercise for long term treatment. During followup, both medication groups had more that 20% higher relapse rates than the exercise alone group...Read the results section if you read nothing else. Let me know if the link doesn't work. 

  

http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/cgi/content/full/62/5/633?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&author1=Babyak%2C+M&titleabstract=Exercise+treatment+for+major+depression&fulltext=Zoloft&searchid=1131692703161_918&stored_search=&FIRSTINDEX=0&fdate=1/1/2000&journalcode=psychmed 

       

  

 I really appreciate what you wrote. Even as Christians we struggle with oppression (NOT POSSESSION) of the enemy.  That is why Paul tells us to arm ourselves for the spiritual warfare that is going on in this world.  The Word is our armor, thank God we have it!
 
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November 29, 2005, 11:05 am PST

11/23 Schizophrenia

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I wanted to extend a genuine heartfelt 'Thank You' for your willingness to share your own personal experience.

You are bravely, courageously and quite successfully dealing with a BEAR of a disorder! To be willing to speak so candidly about something as personal as Schizophrenia is inspiring! Your tenacity in sticking with the treatment necessary to manage this very difficult disorder is also inspiring.  

I heard you speak of the negative things the voices were telling you about you in doing the show. YOU WERE FABULOUS!!!!! 

 

I too am the daughter of a mother who has Schizophrenia and while neither I nor my identical twin have ever experienced the disorder, I can ASSURE you that I would not have handled MYSELF as well as you did on that stage!!!!  

Thanks, Again, 

Brenda 

Mary, I agree with Brenda's comments wholeheartedly....you were great on the show.  Thank you so much for being brave enough to come on and share your story.  I can't imagine what you must go through on a day to day basis.  Kudos to you for fighting this so hard and being so determined to be there for your family.  Your husband seems wonderful, understanding, and supportive.  I went through depression a few years back and couldn't understand why my husband stayed....he said, "Well, if you had cancer I wouldn't leave....just because THIS disease is in your brain instead of your body doesn't make a difference at all, I will be here to help you through it."   

  

I admit when I heard the term "schizophrenic", I pictured a person in a strait jacket in a padded room.  I didn't know any better.  I appreciate so much that you shared your story and made America realize that there are people like you, functioning with this disease every day, and doing a spectacular job at it.  I wish you the very best. 

 
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