Topic : 11/23 Schizophrenia

I recall DrPhil or Frank Lawlis saying that anti-psychotics shouldn't ne used to treat mental illness because we don't know enough about them and their effects on us.

Can anymore confirm this also please?

If you have someone you care about that's been diaganosed schitzophrenic please access any help available.They can't control how they are hurting themselves and you.My brother was diagnosed chronic schitzophrenic at 16 and my mum,brother and myself came home to find he'd killed himself at 23.I was 18 and have dreams that I am giving my brother a hug or  I am an adult that is taking care of him. He had to be forced to take any medication; he thought we wanted to poison him.We didn't know the voices started telling him to kill himself;it's bad to never get a chance to show them how important they are,that you care and love them.Diagnosed as a teenager,he never had a job or a girlfriend.What a terrrible disease.

If you examine the structure of reality, it soon becomes apparent that two planes of reality are required to make existence possible. One, the Relativistic plane of reality, exists in the present time and is composed entirely based upon relativity.   The Relativistic plane of reality must also relate to another, and so it relates to a Holistic plane of reality.  The Holistic plane of reality is at a 90 degree angle relative to the Relativistic, and so it extends across ALL TIME.

The Holistic plane of reality has a SEE ALL, KNOW ALL point of view due to extending across all time. Call it a GODLY point of view !

The two planes of reality are connected.  At the point of intersection is where events take place.  These events may be governed from either of the two planes of reality.  If governed from the Holistic side, it appears to be a miraculous event due to the source or cause of the event being outside of our relativistic view.  Such governing of events may include the governing of someones brain here in our relativistic plane of reality, or one may divide the red sea etc..

As known of today, certain experiments reveal the difference between events governed from one side when compared to the other. This is known as Particle-Wave duality.  If we watch the experiment in action, we break a larger possible Holistic event down into smaller relativistic events, hence causing the collapse of the so called quantum wave.

Over evolution, the mind is becoming less and less dependent upon belief ,and is therefore beginning to focus much more upon truths.  The axis of a mind that focuses almost entirely upon truths, is a mind that no doubt taps into the second plane of reality since it is part of the complete truth.

Those on the other side then proceed to butcher the minds of such people, such that the complete truth will not be exposed.  Instead, the road to complete truth is then perceived to be a road that leads to insanity or detachment from reality.

The reason behind this brutality is not a pretty picture, especially when relaizing that those whose minds tap into both planes of reality are the holiest of holy minds since they have become living thruths as the result of focussing their minds directly at complete truths.

I completely understand. I too consider myself a survivor of misdignosis because of side effects to medications. I went to seek help because I was dealing with problems at work. I fel harrased and I was having problems coping. I was given medication. In a matter of four days I went from a person having troubles eating, getting panicky, to a person with full blown panic attacks, catatonis, erratic behavior.

I sought help at the E.R because I thought I was going nuts. I couldn't explained what was happening to me. I voluntarily stay when I was asked. I was told it could be a night to a maximum of two. I agreed to that.

The problem is that they gave me further medication which caused more problems such as hallucinations, more attacks, screaming. Then I was shot several times with Haldol. My family wanted to take me home as they thought the drugs were damaging me.

The psychiatris who had prescribed the initial medications, was the one on the hospital and she took me to court to get me committed. This was new teerritory for my family.  My family was not allowed to speak to the lawyer or the judge. The judge commited me.

It was really devastating. I lost a semester of school. My family haaad to cleaned me from the drugs so I could become normal again. It was so bad the side effects from all the drugs that I couldn't even dress myself or feed myself without help. That was a year ago. I am happy to say that I am not on medication and I have a normal life. NO hallucinations.... no attacks... I am free of those drugs.

I sought help at the E.R because I thought I was going nuts. I couldn't explain what was happening to me. I voluntarily stayed when I was asked. I was told it could be a night to a maximum of two. I agreed to that.

The problem is that they gave me further medication which caused more problems such as hallucinations, more attacks, screaming. Then I was shot several times with Haldol. My family wanted to take me home as they thought the drugs were damaging me. I wanted to leave as well.

The psychiatrist who had prescribed the initial medications, was the one on the hospital and the one who took me to court to get me committed. This was new territory for my family.  My family was not allowed to speak to the lawyer or the judge. The judge commited me and forced me to mandatory treatment under the supervision of the psychiatrist who took me to court. The psychiatrist failed to mentioned that the problems she wanted to committ me for started due to the medication.

It was really devastating. I lost a semester of school. My family had to clean me from the drugs so I could become normal again. It was so bad the side effects from all the drugs that I couldn't even dress myself or feed myself without help. That was a year ago. I am happy to say that I am not on medication and I have a normal life. NO hallucinations.... no attacks...  not feeling persecuted, no paranoia. I am free of those drugs and the side effects.

Dr. Phil, could you do a show on involuntary committment laws? Can you talk about how come Alaska came to be the only state in the nation where all other forms of treatment need to be exhausted before we can force medication on people?

Thank you Mary for sharing with us. I didn’t know much about mental illness until our own son was touched. I suppose our 21 year old was predisposed of mental illness.

He suffered with severe eczema as an infant till age 13 and slept little at night. But at day time he never showed signs of tiredness. He was under medication (creams and syrups) just for the rashes and itchiness but hardly anything for his sleep.

He is a very intelligent boy and did very well at school. The last 2 years of his primary education was difficult as he got into a lot of scrapes and was punished often by his teachers. We had taken him to see a psychologist who didn’t find the reason for his behaviour except that he was very active and intelligent. He was sent out during his 2nd year of higher secondary school, due to drug abuse. He lost appetite and became underweight. Later he worked for a year and then was unemployed but he received financial help from the government. Being idle he gave into more smoking, alcohol and drugs.

Last year, he got into trouble with the police and was in custody for 2 nights. The 2nd night he was locked in an underground cell alone without air or light. He had been released but had a court appearance in a month, which we were ignorant about.

When he came home we noticed that he had changed. He talked non stop and dressed differently too. He told us that he heard voices in his head when he was alone in the cell. Then we observed him not sleeping almost every night or sleeping just a few hours but most of the time drinking coffee and smoking. He used to leave the house at any part of the night and come home after an hour or so. When I tried to talk to him he expressed a lot of painful feelings. A lot of things about his childhood came out. He accused his father of being very strict with him and not finding his bicycle when he was ten, etc. Most of the time there was no coherence in his speech. He showed jealous feelings of his elder brother who was doing well at university. I embraced him and told him that I love him. He got into a lot of debt by paying bad cheques. A few days before his appearance in court he went about asking neighbours, friends and relations if they could lodge him as we were going to send him away (we came to know later from them). On the day of the court appearance he wanted to confide in me and I knew it was important but as I was leaving for work I couldn’t listen to him so he accompanied me to the station, he talked non stop of many things and I told him we would talk in the evening but later he called me and cancelled the appointment. That whole day he behaved very strangely at home in the presence of his father and cousins. He brought his girl friend home and wanted her to stay the night which we refused. He became very violent towards his father and insulted him. So we asked him to leave the house. He spent three nights out of our home but would come every hour or so and bang the door to let him in. His speech became very rapid with no coherence in what he was talking (Apocalypse, demons, angels, etc). Finally we got him to agree to see the doctor before we accepted him at home. He told the doctor that he smoked a lot of drug which was over and above the limit. The doctor told us that it could be the beginning of mental illness. Only then I realised the seriousness of his health. At this point we felt that he was suicidal. So within 24 hours we got him admitted in hospital with the help of the doctors.He came home only for the weekends and then he finally came back to our home after nearly a month. In the beginning of his treatment he took tercian & risperidone and the doctor saw him twice a month but now he takes only risperidone 3 mg at night and the doctor sees him once a month. From the time he came out off hospital (6 months) he hardly communicates with anyone. He answers “yes” or “no” to any question or suggestion. His doctor hasn’t diagnosed his illness as yet. He says he needs more time with our son. He has just found a job as a forklift and salesman...

I would like to ask Dr Phil a few questions :

- Are children who have eczema and insomnia problems predisposed to mental illness later on ?

- Can just smoking a mixture of drugs lead a person to mental illness ?

- Is the medication causing tiredness and being non communicative or is it the illness ?

- Was our son predisposed because my paternal grandmother and my husband’s maternal aunt and uncle suffered from mental illness for more than 20 years ?

How do you tell what is voices and what is not? I'm on meds, but the "voices" just sound rational since. Doctors can't help...