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Topic : 06/22 Nasty Breakups

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(Original Air Date: 12/05/05) Breaking up is hard to do -- and it's even worse when it destroys the entire family. When Pat announced he was seeking an annulment after 31 years of marriage, his three daughters felt betrayed. Jennifer and Kellie are doing their best to accept what's happened and repair the relationship with their father and his new wife, but their sister, Mynde, says her father is "dead" to her. Can this fractured family find a way to come back together? Plus, Mary Anne lost count of how many lies her husband, Lyle, told her, and after nine years of marriage, she kicked him out. Now Lyle says he's a changed man. Can he be believed and should she take him back? Share your thoughts.

 

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December 5, 2005, 2:59 pm PST

Wende's self-righteousness.

It's a classic case of Wende who'd rather be right than have a loving relationship with her father. She's her own enemy here. But that's how she's learned to be. She's hurting (disappointed) big time but a good therapist can help make this relationship right.Peace & love, Donny
 
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December 5, 2005, 3:00 pm PST

I totally agree.

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Dr. Phil, 

You let the father off of the hook. He is the parent!!! It is and has always been the parent responsibility to try to make his children comfortable and safe. It sounds like to me that he abandon his children and never took their feeling into account. You never told him that he has a responsibility to his children to be there for them. You did tell the daughter that if he died that she would regret it. You never did tell him that or that he was missing part of his children and grand-children lives. Neither did you tell him that he he took on that responsibility when he had those children . You also should have told him to be the man, not a self indulged child. I am 40 years old and have never had a relationship with my father. In my twenties and early thirties I called him on several occasions trying to have a relationship with him. I know the pain of feeling that he doesn't care. This father reminds me of him. I remember the time I was in the hospital and they thought I may die. He never even called after my aunt called and told him. This father needs to and must be the "dad".  

I am 15 years old and when I watched this show today I was in shock that the dad got off the hook that easily! My mom and dad divorced when I was 13 and at the age of 14 my dad stopped talking to me. I have two little siblings and he still picks them up for visits and he calls them. But he never talks to me. My mom is very very supportive of my decision not to talk to him. HE IS THE PARENT! It is not my job, especially as a teen, to WORK at having a relationship with my father. He has also lied under oath to the judge that he has two children with my mom when he actually has three, and he just wasn't counting me. Although the court knew he had three children, he got away with it. He has done numerous things that have hurt my family and I think that the father in todays show needs to step back from the situation and do something about it. He is losing his daughters. I have also read people saying that Mynde is a big baby and she should grow up. Now, listen, no matter how old you are or how long ago her dad started acting this way. IT HURTS! And it will never stop hurting until that relationship is rekindled. Seriously.  

 
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December 5, 2005, 3:01 pm PST

12/05 Nasty Breakups

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Dr. Phil, 

You let the father off of the hook. He is the parent!!! It is and has always been the parent responsibility to try to make his children comfortable and safe. It sounds like to me that he abandon his children and never took their feeling into account. You never told him that he has a responsibility to his children to be there for them. You did tell the daughter that if he died that she would regret it. You never did tell him that or that he was missing part of his children and grand-children lives. Neither did you tell him that he he took on that responsibility when he had those children . You also should have told him to be the man, not a self indulged child. I am 40 years old and have never had a relationship with my father. In my twenties and early thirties I called him on several occasions trying to have a relationship with him. I know the pain of feeling that he doesn't care. This father reminds me of him. I remember the time I was in the hospital and they thought I may die. He never even called after my aunt called and told him. This father needs to and must be the "dad".  

These so-called children are adults and should grow up.  The father stuck around for a LONG time before he chose happiness for himself.  I am sorry you never had a relationship with your father.  My own father was abusive and neglectful,  but that doesn't mean I judge everybody else by that standard.  The daughters need to stop being so judgmental.
 
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December 5, 2005, 3:04 pm PST

Family Break-ups

As I watched today's show, I got very frustrated that a grown woman was acting like a 6 year old. I feel that she doesn't know how to handle issues and/or problems in an adult manner. I can understand her feelings toward her father. But at some point, she should realize that people make mistakes and that people are not going to handle things like she would. She should also realize that she isn't 6 years old.  I just want to yell, thru this monitor at her " HOW OLD ARE YOU AGAIN?" "GROW UP!" She should charish the time she has and live everyday as if it was her last. 

 
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December 5, 2005, 3:04 pm PST

Thoughts on Mynde

Mynde seemed a little odd to me, but perhaps that is due to her past "history" that Dr. Phil kept referring to. I hate it when there is much more to the story and Dr. Phil does not flesh it out. Obviously they did not want to discuss it, but I think it could make the picture clearer if it was.

She seems to have almost a child-like attitude towards her parents and seems to live in a very idealized world. Her vocabulary was interesting to me; very educated-sounding, yet almost poetic.

I feel sorry for that whole family. Dr. Phil is correct - you never know what tomorrow may  bring, and as hurt and sad that Mynde is over her family's demise, I think it is sadder to hold grudges for life. I hope her and her father can at least come to an understanding of "we agree to disagree."

I am curious about Mynde's husband as well. She mentioned she had children, so I assumed she is married. I wonder what his thoughts on the situation are?
 
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December 5, 2005, 3:06 pm PST

I agree

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Myndie is close to 31 yrs old?  Good grief, grow up. "Stuff" happens. She was not able to to admit that maybe she had something to give, but no it was just her dad. Where's their mom in all of this? It can be a give & take situation. I don't blame the dad--she was whiney, oh, woe is me.. She's had a pretty good life if this is all she has to worry about. Her dad & mom agreed on the divorce--it wasn't Myndie's decision to make. Grow Up!!!
I agree that Myndie is not willing to give her dad a chance.  Maybe if there is more to this story, I could understand it better, but, as far as what was said on the show today, I think that more forgiveness and moving on should be done by Myndie.  What Dr. Phil said about loosing your father thru death and not ever being able to go back and re-do the things that were left unsaid or undone, should strike a bell in Myndie's mind.  Maybe with counceling, she can move on and let her dad be happy.  No one is happy to have their families disolve, no matter what.  I don't agreee with annulments (I'm not Catholic).  We are to stay married forever, but "stuff" happens and divorce happens and if you marry and have children, that marriage was and has no right to be wiped away.  I can sort of understand Myndie's feelings concerning the annulment, altho she is not a bastard child.  It just seems to me, that most Catholics that get an annulment it is done so they can still take communion, get burried from the church and "be in good standing as a Catholic", and since you can't do that if you re-marry, an annulment is the first thing you think of after paying the higher ups for it.  It's all about money and if you have enough money and time to do this, then your slate will be wiped clean and you can start over.  Hopefully, Myndie will be able to forgive and move on and have her father in her life.  You can do it Myndie.  I'm not saying things will be the same as before, but you will NEVER forgive yourself if something happens to your dad and you keep the same attitude you have now.
 
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December 5, 2005, 3:07 pm PST

The Daughter seems to have more than just an issue with Dad !!!

  I think the Daughter has problems getting over things. I realize that what Dad did might have seemed in her eyes to be a disaster. But over all it was just a thing he though was right before he married his new wife. And the Daughter MUST realize is that he is and ADULT and her DAD. He doesnt have to answer to her. And she should respect what he did.was for his OWN personal reasons. I think she should grow up and make up with her Dad. And I know how wonderful it is to have Holiday`s and Birthday`s together with All the Family.  I lost my Dad about 8 years ago this Wed. the 7th. And as he was on his death bed, I was sitting there telling him how sorry I was about all the things I did as a child. Even though when my Dad passed we were really good friends and Loved each other dearly. I still felt I had to do that. So try not to be in that situation and air all bad things now. So you`ll be at peace in the end. 

          Good Luck 

           and God Bless 

 
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December 5, 2005, 3:07 pm PST

I can't believe this story

It is unfathomable to me that a man must illigitimize his children to re-marry. If that is what I had to do to my children to get married again then it would not be worth it. It is so obvious how much this act hurt this man's daughter. How can he be so selfish to essentially say that she was not born within a marriage. That is what divorce is for. The Catholic church needs to examine their practices to see the real life effects this has on real people and their lives. It appears to me that annulment after this long was put in place so that Catholics could get a "divorce" and still remain true to the church. You can't have it both ways. You are either married for life in the eyes of the church or you are not.   

  

Dr. Phil you were way too easy on this man. He was ICY COLD and unfeeling. I didn't see anything in him that said he felt any compassion for her at all. He said that he would not do anything differently. It looked to me like he annulled his daughters when he annulled his wife. I am truly surprised that you let him off the hook like that. Yes, he has the right to have a life. However, he could have remarried after a legal divorce that did not illigitimize his children.  It did not appear that he cared enough about them to even consider this option. 

 
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December 5, 2005, 3:09 pm PST

Couple in first segment of show today

I understand what the lady is going through w/ her husband. The profile of this guy fits my ex-husband. Dr. Phil's explanation of why he lies is accurate. And I hope he carries through on his promise to provide for her. She needs her OWN lawyer, and to let the lawyer do the discussing with his lawyer. He will continue to lie to her and con her. I know that she probably loves him, but she needs to think w/ her head not her heart. I've been through it and I came out w/ nothing b/c i listened to him and his lies and was told that he would provide for me. And like Dr. Phil says w/ o strings. I broke the strings and lost it all. It's a long story, too long for this missive. I just hope that the lady gets the right advice. AND does not continue to rely on husband to help her b/c he won't! 

 
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December 5, 2005, 3:10 pm PST

Too Maryann

Please leave him. I can tell you without a doubt change will not happen. I had personal experience with this type of man and it only gets worse. You can pick yourself up and move on and NOT look back. 1st though don't look for someone new. Find out about you so you don't repeat yourself. It seems difficult but truly isn't.
 
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